Naruto is running out of counter-arguments

[Dannie]

It's ashamed how ignorant Naruto is about the world considering he didn't know how the 5 nations became peaceful and the only reason why they became peaceful in the first place.

As soon as the fodder shinobi get released from IT, they will have no reason to be united and they will go back to their old ways of fighting among one another and go through missions of competing with different missions. This is something that Sasuke wants to get rid of.

Naruto is a fool who believes that once everything is said and over that everyone will comply with his methods and their will be no more wars.

Sasuke makes good points and Naruto can't respond.

Sasuke's way isn't completely right, but it his ideology isn't completely wrong either and he simply knows that someone in the near future will probably try to use the Bijuu for their own game and it will create another mess like this war that started with Madara and Obito.

 

[New knight48]

Sasuke is trying to do what itachi did to him and thats to focus the hatred on himself. They believed there was no way to eliminate this hatred but only to focus it on certain people or ideas. While itachi was honorable he ultimately failed with sasuke. But that was still the best thing he could've done because if he hadn't focused sasuke's hatred on himself the hatred would've went straight towards the leaf village. Thus the focusing of hatred does not truly work. Naruto must find some way to actually end this cycle of hatred

 

[Nagi]

Naruto is a fool. He nothing more than a figurehead really. Naruto saying a Hokage is to forgive anybody no matter what. Who the hell would follow such idea? The idea of being a Hokage that forgive anybody no matter what. The idea of giving up your life for other people. Naruto is a damn fool to think that after he leave the world, there will be people who would forgive a person that kill their parents or friends.

 

[maggioso]

Become an immortal shadowy DICKtator? Yea sasuke thought that out very well

 

[ANiMUS]

That's because Naruto doesn't have an answer. This has been made explicitly clear in the fight with pein and the talk with nagato. Naruto is trying to find a way where everyone wins. You can't have a logical battle with someone when you don't have an answer of your own. Naruto just finds Sasuke's answer morally wrong, and to him that is plenty enough reason for it to not be right.

He is the child of prophecy however and he will eventually get an answer if he hasn't thought of one himself yet. My guess is that now that he knows of the existence of ninshuu and what its intended use was for he will probably try and implement that system somehow, even though it may take a long time.

^This here. I was originally gonna say that Naruto is too stupid to process all that Sasuke was saying so all he can really do is babble and spout trivial things about friendship, but the answer above is the truth. Naruto isn't smart and while he has been thinking on exactly what needs to be done he still hasn't come up with an answer, heck Jiraiya has been searching for an answer all his life and still came up with nothing.

However I don't think Sasuke will be like Nagato, I think that in order to persuade Sasuke Naruto will have to find a genuine answer on how to fix this world.

 

[babaGAReeb]

And ronery too

Spoiler

lmao, japanese ranguage

sasky will be forever arone

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[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto might win this fight, but Sasuke will win the debate.
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Great thread. Lol Loved that last line of yours.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Lol, that last part.

 

[Nagi]

human beings are born warriors, to fight and kill is in our blood
you could never prevents wars from never happening

even with his stupid revolution sasky will fail and there still will be wars

There will be less war, less dead people. The idea of all 5 nations focusing their hate on him. Sasuke wouldn't kill thousands of ninjas head on. He will go straight for the leader and kill that person if that leader step out of line.

Let say Naruto become hokage. People will come to dislike him. It is biology. Other nations will request something, then hidden leaf village said no. Then those nations will be like, you think you can say no because you have the strongest shinobi who have god power! Then fear will be created. Evil will birth out of no where. Innocent lives will be destroy in the process.

So tell me there won't be a lot of wars or dead bodies if Naruto Hokage. With Sasuke carrying out his plan, he will be able to control the outcome.

 

[V h o]

I still can't believe that people believe peace can ever be attained through might.

 

[Nagi]

I still can't believe people believe peace can ever be attained through might.

I wonder if the United State of America have done it Naruto's way, would we still be here...

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I wonder if the United State of America have done it Naruto's way, would we still be here...

Not everyone is from United States though. XD

 

[ANiMUS]

I still can't believe that people believe peace can ever be attained through might.

Forcing ppl to work together by becoming their common enemy sounds like a pretty good start imo, and fear lasts throughout the generations unlike love. Love fades.

 

[Nagi]

Not everyone is from United States though. XD

True. But name me one place in the world that have done it Naruto's way? Name me one place in the world that be like, "I forgive you even though you took about 200 of my people and rape and kill them for fun"?

 

[kimb]

So you want Naruto to keep saying the same shit over and over... to counter the same shit Sasuke keeps saying over and over?


Naruto is following the saying " Don't argue with idiots".

Naruto brings up a new point in the latest chapter, "the five nations are at peace now, theres no need for your dictatorship"
Sasuke counters with reality stating, "they're only at peace because they had to defeat a common enemy. After the common enemy goes away, its back to war".
Naruto is left speechless

Naruto brings up another new point in this chapter, "your plan is going to work as long as you life, after you die, everything will go back to the way it was".
Sasuke counters with, "I will be able to gain immortality", which is possible via Edo tensei or Orochimaru's body transfer technique
Naruto is left speechless once again.

Note: I paraphrased everything.

 

[V h o]

Forcing ppl to work together by becoming their common enemy sounds like a pretty good start imo.

And then more conflict is assured through this, not really peace but just a sole enemy.

I wonder if the United State of America have done it Naruto's way, would we still be here...

That's exactly why we have a dictator as ruler.

 

[kimb]

Forcing ppl to work together by becoming their common enemy sounds like a pretty good start imo, and fear lasts throughout the generations unlike love. Love fades.

People forget the US was in turmoil and was going through the great depression. Things only got better after a World war broke out.

 

[Nagi]

And then more conflict is assured through this, not really peace but just a sole enemy.



That's exactly why we have a dictator as ruler.

More conflict, BUT they won't be hurting each other. They will be bonding with each other to overthrow Sasuke. The lines between each nations will disappear for good at some point.

 

[KingHashirama]

Naruto brings up a new point in the latest chapter, "the five nations are at peace now, theres no need for your dictatorship"
Sasuke counters with reality stating, "they're only at peace because they had to defeat a common enemy. After the common enemy goes away, its back to war".
Naruto is left speechless

Naruto brings up another new point in this chapter, "your plan is going to work as long as you life, after you die, everything will go back to the way it was".
Sasuke counters with, "I will be able to gain immortality", which is possible via Edo tensei or Orochimaru's body transfer technique
Naruto is left speechless once again.

Note: I paraphrased everything.

I think you are misunderstanding speechless with frustration. He is frustrated at sasuke's stubborness. He will have the last word if Sasuke is going to be changed..


Naruto left speechless in a villain confrontation? oh man that can't be possible.


Also, from what i got is.. that Naruto is making Sasuke tell his entire plan.. something smart people usually do..


You stated that "Sasuke counters with reality stating" .... but is it reality? Because sasuke just stated it was the villains who united the shinobi world.... is that the reality?

 

[ANiMUS]

And then more conflict is assured through this, not really peace but just a sole enemy.



That's exactly we have a dictator as ruler.

Conflict to who Sasuke?
Enemy of my enemy is my friend. If they have time enough to be at each others throats then Sasuke isnt pressing them hard enough