[Discussion] Naruto is objectively wrong, the people should not choose the Hokage

[Koha]

Lol, thank you.



No. Kishimoto has said this:

Fave Hokage: Hashirama and Minato
Fave Akatsuki: Itachi
Character he sees himself as: Naruto
Fave Female: Tsunade and Anko because of her relationship with Orochimaru (he's probably trolling with Anko)
Fave character to draw: Sasuke
Other faves: Gaara, Bee, Choji

One could like to draw a character but not like them the most because their story is not their favorite. He has different categories of faves.

Haha well thanks for that clarifications (bows to you)

 

[Element Master]

There is no Perfect form of government, if you let the people choose they can choose wrong and you end up with a shitty leader, but if you force people to accept you as a leader they will view you as a tyrant and overthrow you when you slip up.So both Naruto and Sasuke's Ideas are highly flawed (Naruto is too naive and Sasuke is to hypocritical and serial-killer-like) which is why they will most likely work together to iron out the kinks in each other idea's for peace.

 

[ColdSummer]

Yeah never mind the fact that humanity/nations has been involved in war long before the U.S. was founded. Some people on this site are so damn out of their mind. I think you might be top 5. Nah, you're for sure in the top 5. Thanks for the laughs

 

[RedShadow]

Right, but manga-ka are often vague about these things. Naruto may very well end up sharing the seat of Hokage with Sasuke. It's the most likely ending IMO.

2 Hokages? wtf...

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Op I dislike politics. Why are you bring it here?

 

[Hori]

What I see is a member that likes Sasuke whining since he sees that Sasuke has no chance to win against Naruto. Well in this world whether its good or bad, if you want to do something you need support. Sasuke is in the wrong that way. Which is why he will fail. Democracy is better than getting leaders from bloodlines and arranged marriages...

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

There shouldn't be a hokage, mizukage, kazekage, tsuchikage or raikage, there shouldn't be a daimyo.. that's the problem.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

I agree, democracy isnot perfect- ideally the smartest, most capable, and benevolent person should lead

Howevever, can you propose a better system?

Naruto's ideas have flaws , but sasukes idea is worse.

At best, Naruto's ideology is adopted and used for 100s of years, Mabey even matching Rome

At best, sasukes ideology dies after his children's rule. Dictatorships don't usually last longer than the immediate family line.

Democracies don't last forever, but they sure as hell last longer than any other known system of progress

By system of progress I mean innovation and growth. So the era of monarchs isnot considered.

 

[saw2097]

You really are obsessed with hating on Naruto.

 

[STOPGAI2014]

lol I love all these teenage ****s on here who think they're sooooo smart and have the world figured it out despite the fact that I'm sure you haven't done shit with your lives

 

[Jericho Senju]

Naruto's insistence on a Hokage chosen by the people... It's not how Konoha has operated. The daimyo chose Hashirama. Hashirama chose his younger brother. Tobirama chose Hiruzen. Hiruzen chose Minato, and Minato died a failure. Naruto's father was essentially a failure and a prodigy at the same time. He failed to protect the village, instead relying on Hiruzen. He died, and let his wife die. He nearly got his newborn son abducted and kidnapped, nearly murdered.

Then he sealed a demon fox in him. Minato really *is* a failure. Despite what Naruto believes, the previous Hokage haven't been the best of leaders. Nor were they chosen by the people. Democracy is a bad system. It doesn't work, because people are weak-minded, lazy, stupid and don't understand the world they live in.

That's the truth. America too, will fall. It is already declining. Rome failed as well. The barbarians always win in the end. That's reality. Sasuke is right, and Naruto is wrong. Itachi should have been Hokage.

Naruto Uzumaki does not deserve to be Hokage, and he will never be Hokage either. He is too young, naive, unintelligent and more than anything else -- just too uninformed to be a leader. Sasuke gets it. Naruto doesn't.

You got it figured out. Facts about the world young one. 90% of the great world powers is a form of Democracy or 90% Dictatorships are struggling third world countries.

You need to read something other than Naruto.

/end thread

 

[Honord Sage]

Still trying to denny Naruto's legacy but it is a losing cause Naruto will be seen as the Hero of the Shinobi World its Savior and bringer of Sage. I wonder how many tittles and rewards will the Five Daimyo bestow on Naruto? It might include land too.

 

[so12p]

All wrong. The Hokages are recommended (like Hashirama did for Tobirama), appointed, but voted on for confirmation by the shinobi in the village. That is why Danzo would never have actually been hokage.

 

[GhostProject]

Well you're speaking in a lot of absolutes that don't seem to have anything backing it, other than your pretty extreme opinions.

Democracy works because it keeps people content and unified during a transition of power in regular government affairs, as well as requiring leaders to appeal to the masses of people rather than themselves. You can point out bad leaders, good leaders, in between leaders, from EVERY type of government in existence. Democratic governments simply have the track record of consistently keeping everyone content.

Also you say that barbarians win every time? They don't in any long term and what would that even matter? Does might make right? Hell no.

And Sasuke really doesn't understand anybody and he has the fastest path to cause immediate division and war. Your logic seems to be "I don't agree with Naruto/Naruto doesn't seem qualified, so Sasuke is right!" lol hell no again. Kakashi is most qualified. He's like a human being that is smart like Sasuke, except he has ethics and people skills which in combination give him excellent leadership skills.

 

[Nismo]

Even in the U.S. the people don't choose the president. What most people do not realize is that they do not vote for the President. They vote for an Elector who has pledged to vote for the President. The problem with this is that the Elector can change his/her mind.

 

[Jericho Senju]

Even in the U.S. the people don't choose the president. What most people do not realize is that they do not vote for the President. They vote for an Elector who has pledged to vote for the President. The problem with this is that the Elector can change his/her mind.

I guess you're posting on an alt because you're to lazy to varify your information. I guess you're hoping we fact check this for you. One sec....your incorrect. There you go.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

The fact is you want a leader who can be respected and loved, and Sasuke just isn't that guy. It's not that I believe Sasuke's totally wrong, as I feel smart, capable, benevolent dictators are a better system than any true democracy, but when the vast majority of people despise the leader, it's doomed to fail.

Not to make this too political, but Democracy only works if the voters are smart and knowledgeable in regards to the system at hand. I mean if you look at proposed Democracies in the middle east, you can see they're failing because the people just aren't smart and knowledgeable and understanding and willing to put in a good leader. The reason we have representative democracies as supposed to true democracies is we vote for people who are smart and capable and knowledgeable etc. about the issues at hand, and make the votes for us. Plus, if every single person voted, we'd be spending 60% of our lives in the voting booth, so it helps in that regard as well.

I really only have two main issues with Sasuke's plan. The first is that he wants the world to hate him. That's a stupid ****ing idea and will just lead to disaster. And the second is that, as I said before, it's Sasuke who wants this A criminal mass murderer who is totally blind to reality and is so extreme and rigid in his views. Personlaly, I wish Sasuke could just die. If it were just Naruto leading, while I'd have some issues, there'd be work around. As I've said before, Naruto's views and ideals are garbage, but Sasuke's are just so much worse, so if I had to pick my poison, I'd choose Naruto every time.

Sasuke burnt his bridges a long time ago, he has zero right to have any sort of leadership position. But knowing Naruto, he'd forgive him anyway, and probably end up calling him the second coolest, after Obito. I mean the manga has turned into a total failure, it's just so unrealistic and unbelievable and just totally undesirable in regards to the future, that I don't care as much anymore, but if I were put into a voting booth and had to choose which person I'd pick to be hokage, I'd choose Naruto each and every time. Hell, many of the people who were on the Sasuke bandwagon are now hopping sides, as they realize how ****ing ridiculous Sasuke's plan is. Only the major Sasuke fanboys are sticing with him over Naruto, that and whiny angsty emo teenagers who can relate to Sasuke.

 

[FreeTanner17]

Naruto's insistence on a Hokage chosen by the people... It's not how Konoha has operated. The daimyo chose Hashirama. Hashirama chose his younger brother. Tobirama chose Hiruzen. Hiruzen chose Minato, and Minato died a failure. Naruto's father was essentially a failure and a prodigy at the same time. He failed to protect the village, instead relying on Hiruzen. He died, and let his wife die. He nearly got his newborn son abducted and kidnapped, nearly murdered.

Then he sealed a demon fox in him. Minato really *is* a failure. Despite what Naruto believes, the previous Hokage haven't been the best of leaders. Nor were they chosen by the people. Democracy is a bad system. It doesn't work, because people are weak-minded, lazy, stupid and don't understand the world they live in.

That's the truth. America too, will fall. It is already declining. Rome failed as well. The barbarians always win in the end. That's reality. Sasuke is right, and Naruto is wrong. Itachi should have been Hokage.

Naruto Uzumaki does not deserve to be Hokage, and he will never be Hokage either. He is too young, naive, unintelligent and more than anything else -- just too uninformed to be a leader. Sasuke gets it. Naruto doesn't.

Your kind of thinking is exactly what would get people like danzo to be hokage.

 

[narutotails]

I enjoy the manga/anime/cartoon or whatever you want to call it. It is fiction, made up characters, etc.... Discussing politic preferences or trying to provide a lesson based on a cartoon, really. That must be some passion, maybe.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Naruto's insistence on a Hokage chosen by the people... It's not how Konoha has operated. The daimyo chose Hashirama. Hashirama chose his younger brother. Tobirama chose Hiruzen. Hiruzen chose Minato, and Minato died a failure. Naruto's father was essentially a failure and a prodigy at the same time. He failed to protect the village, instead relying on Hiruzen. He died, and let his wife die. He nearly got his newborn son abducted and kidnapped, nearly murdered.

Then he sealed a demon fox in him. Minato really *is* a failure. Despite what Naruto believes, the previous Hokage haven't been the best of leaders. Nor were they chosen by the people. Democracy is a bad system. It doesn't work, because people are weak-minded, lazy, stupid and don't understand the world they live in.

That's the truth. America too, will fall. It is already declining. Rome failed as well. The barbarians always win in the end. That's reality. Sasuke is right, and Naruto is wrong. Itachi should have been Hokage.

Naruto Uzumaki does not deserve to be Hokage, and he will never be Hokage either. He is too young, naive, unintelligent and more than anything else -- just too uninformed to be a leader. Sasuke gets it. Naruto doesn't.

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Manga facts: Hashirama Senju always wanted Madara to become Hokage. Tobirama stated that Madara could be recommended for Second Hokage, but in the end, Hokages were selected using Democracy. But Madara's point of view is more like Sasuke's point of view, rather than the other Hokages.

Ergo, all your line of argumentation failed from the moment you stated those false claims. Konoha has always selected their leaders thanks to the opinions of people, while you're exclusively blaming the Hokages for this.

Hence, you only proved that Democracy could lead easily to the Argumentum ad Populum, but you did not prove that Democracy is wrong, ergo, the flaw in your reasoning is the Argumentum ad Ignorantiam that you used to state that Democracy is wrong in all cases. Sorry, but that won't do, because there is always the possibility for people to select someone which philosophy is darker. You know, Danzou was almost selected Sixth.

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