Naruto is nothing without the Kyuubi? Sasuke is nothing without the Sharingan.

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yeah they is......
Sasuke without itachi's own two eyes is visionless, fodder but naruto without kurama can do SM, shadow clones, e.t.c and can see,battle his enemies whereas sasuke would just sit in a house waiting for when death comes to pick him up..
Lol now who is more useless? Is it naruto without kurama? Or sasuke without itachi's own two eyes.?.....
I my self i don't lik discussing this type of topics as it is lame to say soooo but you guys re on my nerves so i just have to reply......
Yes, me either, but saying Sasuke and not having the sharringan, while we know that he's Uchiha is...
He can unlock MS on his own and eventually die by someone for being greedy of it's effect and that's it.

And of course Naruto has SM and else, but Kurama is different case. So let's not insulting Sasuke for no reason.

Kurama is given
EMS is given
 
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Yes, me either, but saying Sasuke and not having the sharringan, while we know that he's Uchiha is...
He can unlock MS on his own and eventually die by someone for being greedy of it's effect and that's it.

And of course Naruto has SM and else, but Kurama is different case. So let's not insulting Sasuke for no reason.
true...... saying sasuke with sharingan is lame cause it his heritage.......
Do you also know that naruto inherited kurama from his father just like your father? But since it was not a traitlike heridity people take it different...minato cleared stated he wants naruto to have that power this proof that it is something a father past to his son.you can say kurama is naruto's inheritance.
Note;kurama was nobody's just like a car was not yours until you or your father bought it for for.....
 
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Sigh, stupidity as usual. The Kyuubi is an independent sentient being. Meanwhile the Sharingan are just special eyes part of the uchiha bloodline. Same as Naruto's chakra level being a part of the Uzumaki line. And besides, Sasuke already proved he was a better ninja than Naruto without all that stuff by being far superior to him in the academy.
Yeah I guess Naruto 1v1'd Gaara and destroyed him in Bijuu form whilst Sasuke got one shot by him is a sign of superiority........Naruto was hated by everyone before he became a genin. He was secluded and loathed by adults and children alike, whilst Sasuke was constantly encourage and told he was amazing. Psychological impacts make a big difference. Overall I would say without those powerups they are equal, otherwise there wouldn't have been any MUTUAL rivalry in the first place.
 

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sasuke can still use fire release(great fireball) and lightning release(kirin).Sasuke was good with taijutus and weaponary without sharingan in part one.
 
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What?

The Sharingan is an Uchiha KKG you say? Its not the same thing you say?

Oh but it is!

I could say the same about the Uzumaki and the Kyuubi. Mito, Kushina and now Naruto. Not to mention, the Uzumaki clans sole purpose in the shinobi world was to host Kurama as a symbol for Konoha's strength.

Kurama is Naruto's KKG. That's why he is the only Shinobi EVER to have tamed the Kyuubi in every sense of the word, without putting it under an MS genjutsu.
@ bold and underlined sir.

That is a false claim, made by many members. I see where you are coming from , but its simply false. Uzumaki clan had existed long before, the creation of the leaf and before Madara attacked with the kyuubi and there the Shodai decided to seal it. It is believe that Mito was already his wife, at that point. So she took it upon herself to seal the Kyuubi within her.

So no, there sole purpose is not to be jinchuriki for the leaf. They were simply the best next thing after the original members of the Senju 'Clan', not the Senju bloodline, but the Senju clan.

Also, he is technically the second shinobi. If you count the Sage himself that is.


But yes, I see what you mean, however even without that it is still his power.
 

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I could care less how strong they would be without their said powers. The thing i don't agree with is that kyubbi is equivalent to the sharingan. Sasuke eyes can't talk back to him, tell him about his enemys, and make battle plans. Like i said i could care less about them not having their powers, but peopel need to realize that the kyubbi is far different from the sharingan. The sharingan is an exclusive uchiha tool while the kyubbi is another life form with tremendous power.
 

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What?

The Sharingan is an Uchiha KKG you say? Its not the same thing you say?

Oh but it is!

I could say the same about the Uzumaki and the Kyuubi. Mito, Kushina and now Naruto. Not to mention, the Uzumaki clans sole purpose in the shinobi world was to host Kurama as a symbol for Konoha's strength.

Kurama is Naruto's KKG. That's why he is the only Shinobi EVER to have tamed the Kyuubi in every sense of the word, without putting it under an MS genjutsu.
I just don't understand this. KKG are abilities passed down genetically within specific clans. Kurama is not a genetic trait of Naruto. Naruto makes a good host for Kurama, but are you really telling me that Kurama, who is a separate entity, is part of Naruto's genes?

Sasuke without Sharingan is logically equivalent to Naruto without an Uzumaki trait.

Also, I don't know why people keep putting Kurama and Sharingan in the same category. Every tailed beast host is arguably an extremely powerful opponent, can the same be said about every Uchiha with the sharingan? Clearly, having a tailed beast is more beneficial.
 
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