Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

[Sennin of Logic]

Well no contradiction anywhere. Naruto never claimed to beat sasuke and sasuke said he will kill him. I cant find a translation where he says he need kurama and cant escape fact being jinchuriki. I think it was related to whole sasuke talk

He said that both of them would die, not that Sasuke would beat him.

 

[King Of Crows]

Up until KCM, everything Naruto has accomplished, ninjutsu wise and combat wise has usually been without the help of Kurama's chakra. ( I'm not counting when he went beserk because that was Kurama and not Naruto using him )

Naruto created Rasenshuriken, he learned rasengan and senjutsu. Kurama only got in the way at these parts. Difficulty in chakra control affected his rasengan training, hence why he needed a clone to use it. Rasenshuriken training had to be monitored by Yamato in case any of the clones and Naruto went beserk ( which did happen ). Ma and Pa could not even attach themselves to Naruto, making SM a difficulty to use in on going battle.

An instance that does come to mind is when Naruto was falling down a cliff, and had used the Fox's chakra to summon Boss Toad :scorps: ( Part 1)

That fact of the matter is, that without the 9 tail's disturbance, Naruto can pull that barrage of giant rasngans we saw in earlier pics ^

 

[johnnyindigo]

Up until KCM, everything Naruto has accomplished, ninjutsu wise and combat wise has usually been without the help of Kurama's chakra. ( I'm not counting when he went beserk because that was Kurama and not Naruto using him )

Naruto created Rasenshuriken, he learned rasengan and senjutsu. Kurama only got in the way at these parts. Difficulty in chakra control affected his rasengan training, hence why he needed a clone to use it. Rasenshuriken training had to be monitored by Yamato in case any of the clones and Naruto went beserk ( which did happen ). Ma and Pa could not even attach themselves to Naruto, making SM a difficulty to use in on going battle.

Thankyou for reiterating what i said
Every time i tried to say this they would just avert their eyes on the post
The kyuubi RECENTLY became viewed as a crazy advantage, when before it was a burden

 

[AlphaScythian]

Well when I made my point all you said was WRONG. LMAO? In the courtroom that just bombastic behavior. If you're not going to give an actual reason why I'm so "WRONG" then this little skirmish is over

I can assume the skirmish is over any time i want. U either post some statements backed up or dont post. Funny how u sasuke w/o uchiha is fodder and naruto isnt? The lack of ur understanding of shit is what makes me not even bother with ur title u seems so proud about.

 

[King Of Crows]

Thankyou for reiterating what i said
Every time i tried to say this they would just avert their eyes on the post
The kyuubi RECENTLY became viewed as a crazy advantage, when before it was a burden

Oh, sorry if I copied any of your posts I sort of skimmed part of this thread.

 

[Bronze]

what a fail thread, taking powers of people that they were born with it.

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[johnnyindigo]

I can assume the skirmish is over any time i want. U either post some statements backed up or dont post. Funny how u sasuke w/o uchiha is fodder and naruto isnt? The lack of ur understanding of shit is what makes me not even bother with ur title u seems so proud about.

I gave reasons as to why he is not fodder tho, I didn't just say it without backing it up....
I mentioned my title 3 posts ago to show you I am actually using logic, but you obviously don't understand how to "Debate" or u would not be clinging onto that statement

The difference between me and you is that I give honest reasons without biases and you cannot
You have had nothing useless to contribute to this debate thus far that i can agree with

I believe I gave my reasons toward the bottom of page 5 and you would not be saying I didn't if you BOTHERED TO READ IT

 

[AlphaScythian]

He said that both of them would die, not that Sasuke would beat him.

And sasuke said the otherwise. So which one is it?

 

[johnnyindigo]

Oh, sorry if I copied any of your posts I sort of skimmed part of this thread.

Oh no you didn't copy anything,
Reworded it very nicely if I do say so myself
They are just ignoring all logic in their posts

 

[shelke]

what a fail thread, taking powers of people that they were born with it.

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Thank you. The guy probably skimmed through the parts when Kurama was sealed inside Mito and then Kishina, and Naruto was only turned into a vessel because Kushina was succumbing to death. What a lark. Take this rep, sir.

 

[Lightning Release]

Naruto haters are noobs. Plain and simple.

Basically fodder, IMO.

 

[johnnyindigo]

And sasuke said the otherwise. So which one is it?

I say I can fly? Is it fact, NOPE
Sasuke in that blind state had absolutely no way of defeating an SM Naruto

 

[AlphaScythian]

I gave reasons as to why he is not fodder tho, I didn't just say it without backing it up....
I mentioned my title 3 posts ago to show you I am actually using logic, but you obviously don't understand how to "Debate" or u would not be clinging onto that statement
The difference between me and you is that I give honest reasons without biases and you cannot
You have had nothing useless to contribute to this debate thus far that i can agree with
I believe I gave my reasons toward the bottom of page 5 and you would not be saying I didn't if you BOTHERED TO READ IT

I gave reasons everywhere as well. Naruto w/o heritage is fodder with rasengan. Sasuke still genius with fire, raiton and speed. Sasuke>naruto, both fodders w/o heritage. Yet its not like that in ur logic.
SM=/= MS and so on.

I say I can fly? Is it fact, NOPE
Sasuke in that blind state had absolutely no way of defeating an SM Naruto

Logically it could be right, but we saw itachi fully blind rape orochimaru and still forcing sasuke down.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Naruto haters are noobs. Plain and simple.

Basically fodder, IMO.

To be honest mate, Tim Jamison, -Sasuke-, Dantee, Draphin and a few others are good debaters and no haters. But indeed, most of there fandom can't debate. This thread showed once again wich fandom is the more mature one, and the bigger one too (NarutoBase, be thankful).

I gave reasons everywhere as well. Naruto w/o heritage is fodder with rasengan. Sasuke still genius with fire, raiton and speed. Sasuke>naruto, both fodders w/o heritage. Yet its not like that in ur logic.
SM=/= MS and so on.

Logically it could be right, but we saw itachi fully blind rape orochimaru and still forcing sasuke down.

Read OP. Read the 3 points. Try to debate them. Shit. You are talking shit.


I am out, I don't argue further with these kind of members. I will read more tomorrow. Greetings to the people here who could debate on a proper level.

 

[johnnyindigo]

I gave reasons everywhere as well. Naruto w/o heritage is fodder with rasengan. Sasuke still genius with fire, raiton and speed. Sasuke>naruto, both fodders w/o heritage. Yet its not like that in ur logic.

Im literally going to take exactly what i said from page 5 and repost it because what i said was obviously ignored

i read the others that were higher, but hopefully this post covers what they were saying.
1. Can't use chidori, because of tunnel vision
2. Katon as a result of Uchiha
3. Uchihas are genius? and smarts are something different
4. His sharingan helped w/ his ability to use ninja tools

Naruto now
1. We don't know naruto's chakra would be w/o kurama, and minato has fairly decent chakra levels.
2.This whole arguement, is based on the idea that naruto doesn't have kurama's chakra.
3. Jiraiya does not have uzumaki chakra, but he can still use sage mode... Also w/o kurama interfering, naruto can fuse w/ ma and pa, can still summon toads, because his father + jiraiya can.
He could use rasengan w/ one hand if it werent for kurama, He can still use shadow clones (so can kiba), just not as many, he could probably still FRS, thats your opinion
Stamina? thats your opinion, minato seems to have above average levels anyway.. Speed is relative, if naruto actually knew that his dad was the fastest nigga alive, he would probably have insane speeds

The point is no matter what situation, Naruto is stronger than sasuke w/ or w/o given powers
Sage mode seals that deal
Sasuke is fodder w/o it
Naruto no

Sigh, I guess it would be rude not to respond.
Sasuke w/o ems
1. You mentioned perception? BLIND
2. His katons come from a result of his uchiha heritage no?
3. Can't use chido because of tunnel vision, BLIND
4. His above average shuriken jutsu, comes because of his sharingans abilities to help him, BLIND
5. Trap setting abilites.........
6. Kenjutsu, BLIND

Sasuke is no longer a good ninja w/o his uchiha clan heritage not my fault its true.

Your post was amusing nonetheless

His raiton ability comes from the fact that kakashi taught him chidori, which he wouldn't have taught him if he didn't have sharingan

You're mad!!!!!!
If you respond your post will get picked apart again,
In the words of Fez from that 70s show, GOOD DAY SIR!

Though true, naruto is still a formidable ninja
But what has the thread turned into?
Naruto vs sasuke w/o borrowed powers

Naruto = still a ninja
Sasuke = gardener w/o eyes

Will you please read this one?

 

[Murasame]

I say I can fly? Is it fact, NOPE
Sasuke in that blind state had absolutely no way of defeating an SM Naruto

Let alone Kakashi Lol

 

[Lightning Release]

To be honest mate, Tim Jamison, -Sasuke-, Dantee, Draphin and a few others are good debaters and no haters. But indeed, most of there fandom can't debate. This thread showed once again wich fandom is the more mature one, and the bigger one too (NarutoBase, be thankful).



Read OP. Read the 3 points. Try to debate them. Shit. You are talking shit.


I am out, I don't argue further with these kind of members. I will read more tomorrow. Greetings to the people here who could debate on a proper level.

Yes. You said they aren't haters, so I wasn't referring to them.. The illogical ones, however.. Different story.

 

[AlphaScythian]

^^Dont u goddamn understand. Thread was never about sasuke.
All those who attacked sasuke and claim not to be naruto fanboys are either sasuke haters or both./thread

Naruto w/o kurama doesnt make it to top 20, MS sasuke does. /thread

W/O their respective heritage sasuke>naruto both fodders /thread

In that fight, MS blind sasuke still could bring up susanoo like itachi did for one big *smack* as there can be no SM naruto w/o prep time /thread

 

[johnnyindigo]

^^Dont u goddamn understand. Thread was never about sasuke.
All those who attacked sasuke and claim not to be naruto fanboys are either sasuke haters or both./thread

Naruto w/o kurama doesnt make it to top 20, MS sasuke does. /thread

W/O their respective heritage sasuke>naruto both fodders /thread

MS blind sasuke still could bring up susanoo like itachi did for one big *smack* as there can be no SM naruto w/o prep time /thread

What are you saying.........
I gave you reasons as to why what you're saying is not true but once again you chose not to read it

 

[AlphaScythian]

What are you saying.........
I gave you reasons as to why what you're saying is not true but once again you chose not to read it

I read them all, all are debatable. I didnt come here for another flame war.

The fact that every ninja skill was linked to sharingan here is pathetic. I can claim then that no1 ever is good with ninja tools if so. Katon isnt exclusive to uchiha either. Therefore sasuke still retains it. Tunnel vision is issue for frontal attacks, one can use chidori differently, but same would apply to rasengan.
Being smart or genius isnt linked to uchiha either and helps in every battle.
Uzumakis have the strong body which leads to stamina w/o it naruto cant have SM. Look at nagato he's stamina beast cuz he's uzumaki.