Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

[AlphaScythian]

Don't go there. I could demolish your argument right here. You might ignore it, but it would prove you wrong.

Challenge accepted. U may start!

 

[johnnyindigo]

Now that's not fair to Sasuke.He had gotten those powers by going through emotional hell and he had to adjust to his MS technique.

Ehh thats argueable
CSM = hickey bite from a stranger
MS/amaterasu = poke on the head
EMS= taken out of a dead body

"Emotional hell" = crying?
Sasuke is so shattered emotionally, I wouldn't even know what to do with him as the author

Keep in mind this by no way means I don't like Sasuke, somtimes you just have to look at things @ face value

 

[Almighty Ra]

Ok i'mma chill smoke a cig and watch this pop off this is going to be good..On ur mark set go

 

[Flawž]

Naruto without uzumaki heritage = Sasuke without Uchiha Heritage.

Naruto without Kyuubi = Sasuke without EMS.

Naruto with Sage Mode = Sasuke with MS [ his own]

Kurama was sealed into naruto = EMS was planted into sasuke.

you gotta compare the right things.

 

[johnnyindigo]

Ok i'mma chill smoke a cig and watch this pop off this is going to be good..On ur mark set go

lmao i know right
I originally stated that stripping of powers make no sense, because everybody(90%) has "given/borrowed" powers
There are only a select few whom aren't fodder w/o KKGs
But when people start saying Naruto is nothing w/o this,and that without even considering their favorite character, something must be said
"IF" is one hell of a word

 

[johnnyindigo]

Naruto without uzumaki heritage = Sasuke without Uchiha Heritage.

Naruto without Kyuubi = Sasuke without EMS.

Naruto with Sage Mode = Sasuke with MS [ his own]

Kurama was sealed into naruto = EMS was planted into sasuke.

you gotta compare the right things.

Nah you're comparing the wrong things
w/o uchiha clan heritage, sasuke has no sharingan. PERIOD

 

[Flawž]

Nah you're comparing the wrong things
w/o uchiha clan heritage, sasuke has no sharingan. PERIOD

without uzumaki heritage, Naruto does not have Crazy chakra pools and no sage mode.

you see.

 

[AlphaScythian]

without uzumaki heritage, Naruto does not have Crazy chakra pools and no sage mode.
you see.

And cant contain kurama......

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sage mode was described to be equal to MS Sasuke twice.

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Then we found that both of them increased their skill. When they met each other after obtaining more power, this happened after the weird talking through fists things.

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The fact that they could read each others minds meant that they classify as top-class ninja from the legends. This was when Naruto stopped using Kurama. It was stated time and time again that Naruto was either special, or could do what very few could.

Another thing you should consider is that he isn't Goku. Naruto doesn't constantly rely on brute force. Otherwise, we'd be seeing constant clone+ransengan spams all the time.

 

[Optimistic]

Nah you're comparing the wrong things
w/o uchiha clan heritage, sasuke has no sharingan. PERIOD

Honestly you set yourself right up to be countered, Naruto without Uzumaki dna means no Kyuubi,no large chakra reserves and no life force increase.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

To be honest, I find it stupid when people say Naruto is nothing without Kurama. He has him, he's never going away. It is what it is. Just roll with it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Nah you're comparing the wrong things
w/o uchiha clan heritage, sasuke has no sharingan. PERIOD

Sasuke still has chidori and its variants.
Katon, ninja tools skills, speed and smarts.
W/O uzumaki heritage
Naruto has no stamina, cant have kurama. Cant shadow clones, cant FRS, has no speed, rasengan is what left of him.

 

[Optimistic]

To be honest, I find it stupid when people say Naruto is nothing without Kurama. He has him, he's never going away. It is what it is. Just roll with it.

Same can be said with Sasuke having EMS.Just roll with it.

 

[Osagyefo]

Wow is this still going on?

 

[shelke]

If it's hereditary, then it can be inherited just like a gene, regardless of whether or not both parents have it. It all depends on how the dominant and recesive genes interact. Is it a weaker mix, or do you have it in full, or don't.

Considering that all Uchihas are blessed with powerful Chakra and yet, Sharingan itself is rare and then MS's ability Susano'o for example is even rarer puts weight in my argument, when Uchihas have shown nothing but in-breeding. Chakra is just mental energy, nothing more. And it can be diluted if mixed with another Clan. Heck, Sage's sons line was severally diluted over the ages as well.

For cross-breeding, both factors would be important. I highly doubt Naruto has chakra reserves like Kushina or Mito, or Nagato and Karin. This is obvious from Nagato's use of Rinngean as an ability outside the KG - he didn't have both DNAs or Uchiha line for EMS to progress into Rinnegan through Senju Cells - when he was literally dying and still managed to revive so many killed in the village.

 

[Murasame]

Challenge accepted. U may start!

I got Naruto X Man on this one I've debated you before and you're pretty biased when it comes to Sasuke..

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Ehh thats argueable
CSM = hickey bite from a stranger
MS/amaterasu = poke on the head
EMS= taken out of a dead body

"Emotional hell" = crying?
Sasuke is so shattered emotionally, I wouldn't even know what to do with him as the author

Keep in mind this by no way means I don't like Sasuke, somtimes you just have to look at things @ face value

He first unlocked the Sharingan after he witnessed his clan getting murdered and then reliving it through Itachi's Tsukiyomi,he had a 1 in 10 chance of surviving the CM and afterwards he masered it to the where he could do partial trasformations.

He unlocked the MS after hearing the truth about Itachi and the rage he felt towards the Leaf awakened the Mangekyo.

So yes he did go through emotional hell to get his powers since Uchiha get stronger after they lose someone close to them.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Sage mode was described to be equal to MS Sasuke twice.

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Then we found that both of them increased their skill. When they met each other after obtaining more power, this happened after the weird talking through fists things.

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The fact that they could read each others minds meant that they classify as top-class ninja from the legends. This was when Naruto stopped using Kurama. It was stated time and time again that Naruto was either special, or could do what very few could.
Another thing you should consider is that he isn't Goku. Naruto doesn't constantly rely on brute force. Otherwise, we'd be seeing constant clone+ransengan spams all the time.

Where was it described twice? In first scan suigetsu claims naruto defeated pain alone, which zetsu confirms. However we both know it was deal of huge help, 2 sage toads, 3 big toads and kurama, not to mention info. I guess sasuke beaten zabuza heh?

After kage summit sasuke didnt accept naruto as on the same level. He state he will kill him, even naruto understood that much.

Spamming clones isnt argument. Clones dont multiply the power of user, user shares his power among them.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I got Naruto X Man on this one I've debated you before and you're pretty biased when it comes to Sasuke..

Simple question.

Is naruto fastest alive cuz he dodged A?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Same can be said with Sasuke having EMS.Just roll with it.

I have no problem with EMS. That's my point. Characters have powers, don't bash a character by saying that they shouldn't have that power, this applies to Sasuke.