Naruto is nothing without Kiyuubi?

[wade]

He was born with it it was a burden for him that most people could not undergo so get over yourself stupid fanboy doesn't know what he's talking about Kurama is his power since it had to be sealed inside someone who could contain it. ITS HIS POWER HE INHERITED IT just like SASUKE INHERITED HIS SHARINGAN.

To be fair, Sasuke was born with the sharingan, however, he inherited the EMS and he inherited the Curse mark and was given the MS. The only the he obtained by himself was the sharingan. Naruto on the other hand, acquired everything by himself with the exception of kurama, and then on top of that, he had to EARN the kyuubi's power, it wasn't something just handed to him, he had to go through trials and tribulations, live life rough with everyone hating him, have no parents, no friends, and no family not only that! He had to defeat the kyuubi to get its power. Sasuke on the other hand had everything handed to him.

And in SM the only kages naruto could beat are tsunade and gaara and PROBABLY mei, there's no way he would beat oonoki or raikage.

 

[bmillz012]

no because he still has sage mode he just wouldnt be able to do all that xtra stuff like making clones while in sage mode throwin around rasen-shuriken but ms sasuke can beat him naruto said he cant beat him with only sm but normal sasuke is different sasuke needs his eyes thats like cutting off neji fingers or stabbing kakashi in his sharingan eye

 

[Gildarts Clive]

SM is a huge power up.

 

[HokageKid]

He was born with it it was a burden for him that most people could not undergo so get over yourself stupid fanboy doesn't know what he's talking about Kurama is his power since it had to be sealed inside someone who could contain it. ITS HIS POWER HE INHERITED IT just like SASUKE INHERITED HIS SHARINGAN.

It's not his power, just because Kurama is sealed inside of him doesn't mean naruto Owns him, Sasuke had to deal with the Burden of thinking it was all his fault his clan died, and that he should've been strong enough to stop him, and I am not a fanboy just because unlike you i don't think Naruto is going to solo anyone he wants without the Kyuubi, that makes you a fan boy, there's a reason why He's learned to control the Kyuubi's chakra and yes in a way he inherited the Kyuubi, but really he was given it, whereas Sasuke's sharingan is HIS, no-one gave it to him, he unlocked it himself and developed it, Naruto would have died about 20 times without Kyuubi saving his arse, and I'm not a fanboy or a hater, i just realise that Naruto isn't a ****ing god

 

[Roofy128]

if he didnt have the fox, so the fox attacking the leaf didnt happen naruto would be smart as his dad and he would know more jutsus (his mum would teach him)
plus sage mode with ma and pa.

 

[Ninpou]

this and he can beat tsunade garaa ooinki and mei>=naruto and A >>>>>>=naruto

He would'nt beat any of them except tsunade without the fox. and good work copying my sig, fool.

 

[HokageKid]

if he didnt have the fox, so the fox attacking the leaf didnt happen naruto's would be smart as his dad and he would know more jutsus (his mum would teach him)
plus sage mode with ma and pa.

Naruto would be as smart as his dad? I don't think so, that's like part of your personality, and his personality takes after his mum, i don't think minato would have tried that hard to Change naruto, he would've preferred to let him be how he wants to be, also that's not true, the fox attacking the leaf may still have happened but minato sealed the fox somewhere else etc.

 

[Necron]

Ok, if you ask me:
Naruto without the kiubi (at all) is on a Jonin to Kage rank, like (and maybe slightly weaker than) Kakashi.

With the full potential of the Kiubi, he is on a Kage+ level

At his current level, he is Kage level, but weaker than most of the current Kages. Equally strong to Gaara, more powerful than Tsunade. That is the level I esteem him personally...

 

[Roofy128]

Naruto would be as smart as his dad? I don't think so, that's like part of your personality, and his personality takes after his mum, i don't think minato would have tried that hard to Change naruto, he would've preferred to let him be how he wants to be, also that's not true, the fox attacking the leaf may still have happened but minato sealed the fox somewhere else etc.

i know what u mean but naruto would want to be like his dad and would look up to him as he is the 4th also his dad and mum would teach him stuff

 

[HokageKid]

i know what u mean but naruto would want to be like his dad and would look up to him as he is the 4th also his dad and mum would teach him stuff

I still don't see him being as smart as his dad, that stuff can't really be taught to some people, also if we were to go down that road, Naruto could've had the FTG technique as well etc.. It would be completely changing the storyline, leaving endless possibilities

 

[Melizzle]

That's not fair. Naruto is a hard working shinobi. He has the kyuubi in him so he had to learn to work with it. Only twice has he ever purposely relied on it. If he didn't have the kyuubi he'd still be hard working and have the potential to be a great shinobi. It's not thanks to the kyuubi, he did it himself.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

ROFL? Naruto SM could atleast beat Mizu,Tsuchi and possibly Raikage
GOML Sasuke would be begging not to die without his Sharingan
Stupid kid I swear your one of the fanboys that really pisses me off.

don´t put Sasuke into this, i really don´t like him, but why even mentionining him here? O_O

oh, now to what i did to your post, ok?

underlined: it is theoretically possible to discuss about this, BUT, i doubt he can beat Onoki or Mei, my reasons are here:

Mei is obviously Mid to Long-Range fighter, that much is obvious, but Naruto is Close range fighter, yeah, it is true that he has his Mid-range jutsu Rasen-Shuriken, but come on, it´s not so hard to dodge it, OR COUNTER IT with Lava or Fire release which Mei does have

Onoki can fly and i doubt that he will let himself get hit by Rasen-Shuriken


bolded: easily just LOL, beating Raikage? that is the biggest joke you could have made, it was tough for him to be able to dodge A's fist in KM, how is he supposed to dodge him with only SM? O_O

Ok, if you ask me:
Naruto without the kiubi (at all) is on a Jonin to Kage rank, like (and maybe slightly weaker than) Kakashi.

With the full potential of the Kiubi, he is on a Kage+ level

At his current level, he is Kage level, but weaker than most of the current Kages. Equally strong to Gaara, more powerful than Tsunade. That is the level I esteem him personally...

not weaker than Kakashi, come on, Naruto WITHOUT SM, is almost on level of Kakashi, Naruto WITH SM is for sure stronger and better than Kakashi

 

[xxSAGExx]

Can Naruto beat MS or normal Sasuke without the help of kiyuûbi?
Sage mode - even in SM naruto can make only 5 rashin shirukens (right?)..
Naruto < Kakashi
Naruto < Kages ( seperately)
Naruto < all akatsuki members (separately) except Zetsu
...
I'm not underrating him. And I know that I maybe wrong. Any ideas?​

Kakashi already stated Naruto surpassed him, Jounin level in base and Kage Level with Sage Mode. Without the Kyuubi Narutocan fuse with Ma and Pa and stay in Sage Mode as long as he wanted so he would in fact be stronger for that reason. Sage Mode makes Naruto physically stronger,increase his speed faster than his base, enhanced endurance, enhances ninjutsus,genjutsus,taijutsus, strongest sensory ability shown, and agility while Kyuubi Mode has super speed, can sense evil intent, increase jutsus power, make chakra arms. Against Pain Naruto's chakra was split between his clones that were absorbing natural chakra.

 

[shogun973]

well sharingan is a bloodline that one has to unlock so its not the same

 

[Necron]

don´t put Sasuke into this, i really don´t like him, but why even mentionining him here? O_O

oh, now to what i did to your post, ok?

underlined: it is theoretically possible to discuss about this, BUT, i doubt he can beat Onoki or Mei, my reasons are here:

Mei is obviously Mid to Long-Range fighter, that much is obvious, but Naruto is Close range fighter, yeah, it is true that he has his Mid-range jutsu Rasen-Shuriken, but come on, it´s not so hard to dodge it, OR COUNTER IT with Lava or Fire release which Mei does have

Onoki can fly and i doubt that he will let himself get hit by Rasen-Shuriken


bolded: easily just LOL, beating Raikage? that is the biggest joke you could have made, it was tough for him to be able to dodge A's fist in KM, how is he supposed to dodge him with only SM? O_O


not weaker than Kakashi, come on, Naruto WITHOUT SM, is almost on level of Kakashi, Naruto WITH SM is for sure stronger and better than Kakashi

Naruto WITH sage mode is at Kakashi's level +/-
without it (and no tailed beast mode too), he is just an average Jonin...

 

[Melizzle]

Naruto WITH sage mode is at Kakashi's level +/-
without it (and no tailed beast mode too), he is just an average Jonin...

I disagree. Not everything he's done has been related to those two things.

 

[Hamburger]

1. he wouldnt be as desperate to train as hard (well he couldnt cause he wouldnt have the nine tails chakara/healing) so he prob wouldnt be able to/ or have weak summons.
2. He would know or be able to use shadow clone jutsu, so he couldnt use rasengan anyway.
3. Hel j-man prob wouldnt even bother training Naruto (idk just guessing)

 

[MaitoKage]

Why are people bringing up sasuke and the sharingan?
Using the Sharingan is still using his powers, he developed them and inherited them,
Using KM is using Kurama's power, he didn't develop kurama's chakra, and i guess in a way he inherited it but it's still completely different

Yeah he inherited them through genetic luck as naruto did with the kyuubi.
It still takes stamina and chakra to contain the kyuubi. Both of which naruto developed.

 

[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

All of these "Naruto is nothing without Kyuubi" "Sasuke is nothing without Sharingan" threads are such wastes of energy lmfao.

Think about what you're saying. The whole story basically revolves around Naruto and his struggle to deal with the kyuubi. Sasuke's story hinges on the fact that he's an uchiha.. if neither had kyuubi or sharingan there'd be no point to the story -.-"

If you take sharingan away from Sasuke he's not truly the Sasuke that kishimoto intended, and same story for Naruto and the kyuubi...

so you can't take these things away from either character and expect it to be the same Naruto manga. people need to quit whining about "Naruto didn't earn this" "Sasuke doesnt even have any of his own power that".

 

[lubricati0n]

Sasuke is nothing without free power-up? AMIRITE?