Naruto has no defense for IT, I'm sorry Naruto fans :'(

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You are wrong. There is no evidence to support Naruto being unable counter IT
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Assuming Naruto can because fans think so is bullshit.
1- Sasuke doesn't know Naruto's ability (RSM). He just assumed Naruto couldn't counter IT. Sasuke though he could cancel IT with just the rinnegan.
Sasukes assumes and Narutos actions confirms. The bijuus even offer Naruto advice yet none of them had anything to say about Sasukes claim.
2 - You claimed that Naruto clones were defeated by the limbo clones, yet Naruto had no knowledge of that. If Naruto's clones were defeated he would have known they were defeated. What happened to them? Simple, they fought the limbo clones until the limbo clones had to return to Madara. Sasuke explained to us that Madara's limbo clone can only stay away from his body for a short amount of time before they have to return to the body - to

After the limbo clones returned to Madara, Naruto did the same thing he always does with is clones after they complete their assignment and that is end the jutsu. I have always found that to be dumb and a waste of chakra/clone, but that is the way Kishi has always handled Naruto. Then Madara recreated his limbo clones and they surrounded Susanoo.
Nice lie. There is no proof Madaras clones returned or Narutos clones returned. At best Naruto clones were defeated by the limbos or destroyed by IT.

If Naruto's clones was defeated by IT then Naruto would have known that. Since Naruto had no knowledge his clones being defeated that means they weren't defeated.
Naruto is impulsive when it comes to saving his friends thats why Sasuke held his arm back.
3 - Naruto did stay in susanoo, but that was because Sasuke was already countering IT.
Okay?

4 - I find it very interesting that people believe Naruto himself can't counter IT even though he possess half the power to cancel the jutsu just like Sasuke.
because it was implied in the manga and him countering was not?
5 - Naruto was never defeated by a genjutsu "The Last". Naruto just never tried to defeat it. Why, because he was busy using that opportunity to learn about Hinata's feelings.
Sakura had to save him.
It was a genjutsu trap designed to place everyone that activated the trap in a dream like state showing them their past. Yet, Naruto was able to leave his dream and enter Hinata's dream. Then he freely move throughout her dream. The genjutsu was never designed to work that way. That proves Naruto was able to manipulate the genjutsu to his will.
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He was stll under the genjutsu and had to be saved by Sakura.
 

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Assuming Naruto can because fans think so is bullshit.


Sasukes assumes and Narutos actions confirms. The bijuus even offer Naruto advice yet none of them had anything to say about Sasukes claim.


Nice lie. There is no proof Madaras clones returned or Narutos clones returned. At best Naruto clones were defeated by the limbos or destroyed by IT.



Naruto is impulsive when it comes to saving his friends thats why Sasuke held his arm back.


Okay?



because it was implied in the manga and him countering was not?


Sakura had to save him.
He was stll under the genjutsu and had to be saved by Sakura.[/QUOTE]

This is funny. You claim my post is BS, yet you haven't provided any evidence to support your claim.

Sasuke assuming Naruto couldn't counter IT is not facts. You just accepted his assumption as fact. Naruto nor the manga never confirmed he couldn't counter IT. Naruto didn't even fully understand his powers at that time.

All the tail beast did doing their battle was give him chakra. They never gave him advise. Beside, they don't know the full capability of RSM.

It's fact Madara Limbo clones must return to the body after a short amount of time. Sasuke explained that to us after facing Limbo clones. Yet, you are claiming that no longer true, ok whatever.

It's fact Naruto gains information from his clones when the jutsu ends. If Naruto's clones would have been defeat by IT or Limbo clones Naruto would have known. He didn't know, that means they weren't defeated.

Naruto can impulsive. The reason Sasuke stopped him from exiting susanoo was because he was already countering IT and they were all together. It would make no sense for Naruto to exit susanoo at that time. The manga never implied Naruto couldn't counter it.

Yes, Sakura did release the jutsu, but that doesn't mean Naruto couldn't defeat. In the movie Naruto never tried to defeat it. Instead he was using that opportunity to explore the genjutsu and learn about Hinata.

The manga has never stated the rinnegan is required to counter IT. It's fact Naruto possess half the power to cancel the jutsu just like Sasuke. At this time there is reason to believe Naruto can counter IT. He should be able to block IT light by covering himself with the TSB. You need to realize the RSM gives him the ability to manipulate chakra in every single possible way. A jutsu is just chakra being manipulate in one way or another. The TSB is the ultimate form of chakra manipulation. TSB is charka being manipulation in all possible ways simultaneously and combined.
 

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there's no proof that RSM user would get caught in
IT..

Sasuke said Naruto would get caught in IT if he
went out of his Sussano.. but there was no proof
that what Sasuke said its true..

So as to whether a RSM user can withstand IT is left
to conjecture...
Saying he can withstand it is conjecture..
Saying he can't withstand it is also conjecture..
In the end both are fanfic until its proven he can or
cannot withstand it..

If Naruto went out of Sasuke's Susanno and got caught then you can say he isn't immune.. since he didn't take the risk we can't just assume he'd have gotten caught up in it...

fail thread!
This. /Thread :sigar:
 

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He was stll under the genjutsu and had to be saved by Sakura.
This is funny. You claim my post is BS, yet you haven't provided any evidence to support your claim.

Sasuke assuming Naruto couldn't counter IT is not facts. You just accepted his assumption as fact. Naruto nor the manga never confirmed he couldn't counter IT. Naruto didn't even fully understand his powers at that time.

All the tail beast did doing their battle was give him chakra. They never gave him advise. Beside, they don't know the full capability of RSM.

It's fact Madara Limbo clones must return to the body after a short amount of time. Sasuke explained that to us after facing Limbo clones. Yet, you are claiming that no longer true, ok whatever.

It's fact Naruto gains information from his clones when the jutsu ends. If Naruto's clones would have been defeat by IT or Limbo clones Naruto would have known. He didn't know, that means they weren't defeated.

Naruto can impulsive. The reason Sasuke stopped him from exiting susanoo was because he was already countering IT and they were all together. It would make no sense for Naruto to exit susanoo at that time. The manga never implied Naruto couldn't counter it.

Yes, Sakura did release the jutsu, but that doesn't mean Naruto couldn't defeat. In the movie Naruto never tried to defeat it. Instead he was using that opportunity to explore the genjutsu and learn about Hinata.

The manga has never stated the rinnegan is required to counter IT. It's fact Naruto possess half the power to cancel the jutsu just like Sasuke. At this time there is reason to believe Naruto can counter IT. He should be able to block IT light by covering himself with the TSB. You need to realize the RSM gives him the ability to manipulate chakra in every single possible way. A jutsu is just chakra being manipulate in one way or another. The TSB is the ultimate form of chakra manipulation. TSB is charka being manipulation in all possible ways simultaneously and combined.
This must be a joke. You want evidence but the evidence is in the story. The one who lacks evidence is you. You are here making 100% assumption and turning it into fact when the story never began to say TSB can counter IT. You are only saying Naruto can counter it because TSB has some imaginary power to nullify genjutsu which never happened once. Show me where Naruto beat MAdaras limbo while it returned to his body?

In fact Sasuke said the shadows were still out there while IT was up so gg friend. So what if Naruto gains info that doesn't stop his impulsiveness as Sasuke still had to tell him to be wary of IT. I didn't see Naruto wrap himself up of any TSB shield while proceeding to step outside either. The tailed beast never gave him advice?

When Naruto needed a sealing jutsu SHukaku said use my chakra for a sealing jutsu
When Naruto needed to fight up close the 5 tails said to use my chakra.
Kurama coached Naruto vs the Sasuke fight.

Sure Naruto has half the power to end the jutsu but the rinnegan was shown to be only jutsu to actually allow the person to be unafffected by the technique. Jinchuriki can be caught in genjutsu the base already established that.
 

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Don't be retard OP...

Ofc Naruto has protection against IT.

Remember how TSB blackness and Juubi Jin got damaged by Sage Mode ?

Well Naruto is immune to any form of eye manipulation even IT which uses SenJutsu. :) GoodLuck AKbar!
 

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Don't be retard OP...

Ofc Naruto has protection against IT.

Remember how TSB blackness and Juubi Jin got damaged by Sage Mode ?

Well Naruto is immune to any form of eye manipulation even IT which uses SenJutsu. :) GoodLuck AKbar!

I smell bs. : )
 

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This must be a joke. You want evidence but the evidence is in the story. The one who lacks evidence is you. You are here making 100% assumption and turning it into fact when the story never began to say TSB can counter IT. You are only saying Naruto can counter it because TSB has some imaginary power to nullify genjutsu which never happened once. Show me where Naruto beat MAdaras limbo while it returned to his body?

In fact Sasuke said the shadows were still out there while IT was up so gg friend. So what if Naruto gains info that doesn't stop his impulsiveness as Sasuke still had to tell him to be wary of IT. I didn't see Naruto wrap himself up of any TSB shield while proceeding to step outside either. The tailed beast never gave him advice?

When Naruto needed a sealing jutsu SHukaku said use my chakra for a sealing jutsu
When Naruto needed to fight up close the 5 tails said to use my chakra.
Kurama coached Naruto vs the Sasuke fight.

Sure Naruto has half the power to end the jutsu but the rinnegan was shown to be only jutsu to actually allow the person to be unafffected by the technique. Jinchuriki can be caught in genjutsu the base already established that.
It's a joke that people continue to base their claims that Naruto can't handle IT off of Sasuke's assumption. Sasuke's statement is not evidence. Understand that. Sasuke doesn't know everything about Naruto's powers. Sasuke stated Kakashi and Sakura were usless yet without them they would have lost.

I never stated Naruto can counter IT, I stated there is reason to believe he can base off RSM powers. You need to understand how RSM powers work. RSM gives the user the ability to manipulate chakra in every single possible way. Jutsu are just chakra being manipulate in one way or another. The TSB represents that power. TSB is charka being manipulation in all possible ways (shape, element, yin-yang), simultaneously, and combined. If Naruto has the ability to manipulate chakra in every single possible way then he would have the ability to deal with IT because its just chakra being manipulate.

Why don't we see Naruto use that power? Simple, because Naruto was still learning to use his powers. Naruto's power is different than Sasuke. Eye power gives the users jutsu they have never possess and allows them to use it with no knowledge or practice. They automatically know how to use that power and it capability. Body power focuses more on ability and requires time for the user to understand their power and how to use it. Naruto's power requires more of a trial and error approach. He has to figure out the different ways to use his power. Like when he heal Kakashi's eye. He wasn't sure that would work. That's the reason why we don't see him just using the TSB to counter IT. He wouldn't know if it would work.

It's fact Madara's Limbo clones must return to the body after a short amount of time. Sasuke explained that to us. It's fact Naruto gains information from his clones when the jutsu ends. If Naruto's clones would have been defeat by IT or Limbo clones Naruto would have known. He didn't know, that means they weren't defeated.

The tail beast never gave Naruto advised during his battle with Madara, they gave him chakra. There is a different between the too. The 1 tail gave his chakra not advise. The 5 tail gave his chakra not advise. It was Naruto's plan to use taijutsu. The only time Naruto gave advise was from the 9 tail during the end of his battle with Sasuke. The 9 tails never give Naruto advise prior to that.

Nobody in the manga is immune to all genjutsu. We have seen genjutsu (sound base) effect eye power user (sharingan/rinnegan).
 
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