[Discussion] Naruto has jumped the shark. That's all.

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Not that it handn't done so earlier, but I think the last few chapters have made it perfectly clear that the author has finally decided to end the thing, and if he has to jump through hoops in order to to do so, while at the same time disregarding all previous character development, so be it. It has been very clear for a while now that the mangaka had lost "control" over the plot, and the sudden and rather out-of-character actions of the cast has highlighted that to no end.

1) Team 7 is suddently relevant again
It has been like what, 100+ chapters since the main cast has been Naruto, Yamato and Killer Bee. Most of the Konoha 11 have been fodderized to no end, and aside from Naruto and Sasuke, everyone including Sakura has been sidelined. That the author suddenly decided to focus on their development in order to bring back the feeling of "It feels like back in those days" is either a pathetic attempt to try to rail back the story to what it looked like originally, or rather, some sort of attempt at self-criticism.

Forcing those characters back into the storyline simply sounds overtly artificial.

2) Zomgs, I waana be da h0kagez!!!!1eleven!!!111one
Granted, it's been a running theme since forever... But yeah, everyone suddenly remembers that, since it has been sidelined in like... Since forever.

3) Sasuke turns good? Wtf?
Ok, that turd deserves some attention on it's own. The fact that first Sasuke goes from a completely self-absorbed "avenger of the Uchiha" to a bleeding heart, tough as nails protector of the village simply spits plot derailment on some many levels that every page of this manga drips salive as you read it, and might as well end up burning your monitor.

Sure, it could have happened gradually, as Sasuke somehow understood the motives behind the whole Uchiha x Senju feud, but I don't really think he would go all sentimental thinking of how konoha was important to his brother (nevermind the fact that he couldn't care less about the people in there, since he's all "Uchiha are the only real people in the world"), and I don't really think he would simply forgive the kind-hearted elders who basically came up with the political climate to slaughter his whole family...

But then again, let's face it: It's been a long time since Naruto was about political shades of grey where nobody's good, rather than about goodie-two-shoes ninjas.

4) Sakura is suddently somebody once again? Wtf?
Can't really express this one in words. That girl has been nobody for like 100+ chapters, the author had been hinting that Naruto finally grew tired of her two-timing ho ways, and all of a sudden... "Hey dad, here's my girlfriend... Who also happens to no longer be dead weight!". WTF.

That one could also have happened in a way that matches character development... But let's face it, who cares? Just dump her back in with her team 7 mates and everyone's happy, right? Character development is so overrated when you can just Deus Ex Machine the whole thing.

5) "T-t-that's Hashirama! Screw moon's eye plan! My panties are wet with the thought of fighting him!"
Yeah, yeah. I mean, dude spent his entire life engineering that plan and suddenly all he cares about is for another shot at Hashirama's wood. Nevermind the fact that he could very well wipe out most of the allied forces in order to ensure his plan's success. Shaft that. Let's fight! It's so much funnier!

6) "I'll ressurect everyone that's relevant to the plot in order to emotionally destabilize their forces!"
Kushina and Mito, anyone?

7) The final battle is coming!
They might as well throw the Ramen Guy in it. I mean... It's not like everyone's that has been hyped to oblivion ain't there already, he shouldn't miss the party.

And that's it. With his utter disregard for character development, artificially railing the plot to some ub3r f1n4l b4t7l3 and for simply taking a huge fetid DUMP on the whole of Naruto's manga, I believe it clear that the author has finally had the manga Jump The SHARK!

If you agree with me, or don't, please share your thoughts.
 
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Stop your whining :|

Lets see u do better...

Just enjoy the manga whiles u can..
 

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Stop your whining :| Lets see u do better... Just enjoy the manga whiles u can..

Have I hurt your feelings with my attempt at valid criticism?

Stop your reverse whining and contribute something to the discussion. If you can't do it, please move on to some other shiny thread.

Also, the manga is simply impossible to enjoy in it's current state. All the characters no longer exist as entities of their own.
 

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#5 - Jesus...so true...
 

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I agree too with #5. What is happening to Madara? He does'nt even care of the fact that they're about to seal the juubi.
Then Moon's eye plan is ruined.
 

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Not that it handn't done so earlier, but I think the last few chapters have made it perfectly clear that the author has finally decided to end the thing, and if he has to jump through hoops in order to to do so, while at the same time disregarding all previous character development, so be it. It has been very clear for a while now that the mangaka had lost "control" over the plot, and the sudden and rather out-of-character actions of the cast has highlighted that to no end.

1) Team 7 is suddently relevant again
It has been like what, 100+ chapters since the main cast has been Naruto, Yamato and Killer Bee. Most of the Konoha 11 have been fodderized to no end, and aside from Naruto and Sasuke, everyone including Sakura has been sidelined. That the author suddenly decided to focus on their development in order to bring back the feeling of "It feels like back in those days" is either a pathetic attempt to try to rail back the story to what it looked like originally, or rather, some sort of attempt at self-criticism.

Forcing those characters back into the storyline simply sounds overtly artificial.

2) Zomgs, I waana be da h0kagez!!!!1eleven!!!111one
Granted, it's been a running theme since forever... But yeah, everyone suddenly remembers that, since it has been sidelined in like... Since forever.

3) Sasuke turns good? Wtf?
Ok, that turd deserves some attention on it's own. The fact that first Sasuke goes from a completely self-absorbed "avenger of the Uchiha" to a bleeding heart, tough as nails protector of the village simply spits plot derailment on some many levels that every page of this manga drips salive as you read it, and might as well end up burning your monitor.

Sure, it could have happened gradually, as Sasuke somehow understood the motives behind the whole Uchiha x Senju feud, but I don't really think he would go all sentimental thinking of how konoha was important to his brother (nevermind the fact that he couldn't care less about the people in there, since he's all "Uchiha are the only real people in the world"), and I don't really think he would simply forgive the kind-hearted elders who basically came up with the political climate to slaughter his whole family...

But then again, let's face it: It's been a long time since Naruto was about political shades of grey where nobody's good, rather than about goodie-two-shoes ninjas.

4) Sakura is suddently somebody once again? Wtf?
Can't really express this one in words. That girl has been nobody for like 100+ chapters, the author had been hinting that Naruto finally grew tired of her two-timing ho ways, and all of a sudden... "Hey dad, here's my girlfriend... Who also happens to no longer be dead weight!". WTF.

That one could also have happened in a way that matches character development... But let's face it, who cares? Just dump her back in with her team 7 mates and everyone's happy, right? Character development is so overrated when you can just Deus Ex Machine the whole thing.

5) "T-t-that's Hashirama! Screw moon's eye plan! My panties are wet with the thought of fighting him!"
Yeah, yeah. I mean, dude spent his entire life engineering that plan and suddenly all he cares about is for another shot at Hashirama's wood. Nevermind the fact that he could very well wipe out most of the allied forces in order to ensure his plan's success. Shaft that. Let's fight! It's so much funnier!

6) "I'll ressurect everyone that's relevant to the plot in order to emotionally destabilize their forces!"
Kushina and Mito, anyone?

7) The final battle is coming!
They might as well throw the Ramen Guy in it. I mean... It's not like everyone's that has been hyped to oblivion ain't there already, he shouldn't miss the party.

And that's it. With his utter disregard for character development, artificially railing the plot to some ub3r f1n4l b4t7l3 and for simply taking a huge fetid DUMP on the whole of Naruto's manga, I believe it clear that the author has finally had the manga Jump The SHARK!

If you agree with me, or don't, please share your thoughts.

Lol agreed esp that Madara's obssesion with Hashi
 

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Who knows? Much the way I don't critique a movie at the 1 hour mark, i'll with-hold judgement until the series is over. Or at least the story arch. The panel where Jugo is saying "What are you thinking Sasuke?" is foreshadowing something in my opinion. I don't think Sasuke and Orochimaru can be trusted so damn easily. Also, this final battle to unite the ninja world might be what Madara wanted all along??? Sounds Kishi-ish.
 
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A lot of this is very true. Especially sasuke becoming good, twas an epic ass pull.
 

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#5 was the best one.. And yeah I do agree with you on most..
 

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I think that it is hard to say, at this point, what are the seemingly sudden occurrences that are a result of kishi writing himself into corners that he can't otherwise get himself out of, or a result of 're-aligning-plot-no-jutsu' because he followed certain points to far and others not enough, and wants to bring it to a close soon.

Sasuke suddenly becoming good - IMO this was probably a corner that he wrote himself into, having Sasuke continually turn away from Konoha, staying the course of revenge, etc. for so long. I feel that it was most likely always Kishi's plan to have Sasuke 'become good' again by the end of the Manga, as I never view Sasuke as becoming one of the 'real' villains of the story (ie Oro, madara, etc). Kishi was backed into a corner because the Sasuke plan/development didn't move at the right pace to match the goings on of the War battles. The War reached the point where it needed its heros to reunite and start the final showdown, and Sasuke had to be there, despite us not getting a chance to watch Sasuke really mull things over and commit to his new found goal.

Sakura being 'someone' again - This is definitely a plot pull IMO, and this is coming from someone who is very much a Sakura fan, because the timing is clearly meant to realign the plot to match a long lost goal of the story. Kishi did a poor job with Sakura's story/development (every female has this in common, unfortunately). She has done very little compared to other main characters since Sasori. That is just poor writing on Kishi's part. Thankfully this is not as ass-pulled as some of Kishi's other reveals he has done in the past, since it framework has been there, in full view, whole time; it just was never utilized or focused on. And in a way, the way it is set up actually double's back and drops the haters remarks about why she couldn't have been helpful earlier on, because she simply couldn't until now.

Madara - I call BS on this one. Kishi just needs a reason to be able to have the Juubi (possibly) taken out, while still claiming that Madara is as powerful as he is. He will probably (if the Juubi is taken out with Madara's intervention) IMO just write it as Madara hadn't thought that there was anyway they would defeat the Juubi, so he didn't bother to intervene until it was too late, then have him be all shocked, angry, and want to fight. Hashirama will now conveniently be available to fight as he no longer has to deal with the Juubi.
 

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Agreed with OP. The hope I hold out is that Sasuke and Orochimaru have not really "gone good". This is possibly foreshadowed by Jugo's line, as well as the lack of an answer from Oro when Sasuke asked him "why did you attack Konoha, I know you lied about the reason before?". Kishimoto might be implying some sort of connection between Madara and Oro.

At very least, Madara seems confident that at this point even Hashi cannot touch him, much to Hashirama's shock. I'm guessing Hashirama gets fodderized within 4 chapters, along with Obito.
 

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Naruto has never had a bulletproof plot, in my opinion. I think some of the more puzzling developments as of late can be explained, though. Sakura being relevant again? Some translations make it sound more like Naruto joking about her being his girlfriend, more than anything. The team 7 reunion? Yeah, he's definitely pulling strings to get that to happen, but I only consider it excessive fan-service.

Now, about Madara... maybe this is just a sign of how cocky he is. I still have faith that he hasn't just tossed the plan aside-he's just waiting for them all to tire themselves out fighting a monster of unknowable power. Maybe he's just waiting for Obito to get done with his little heart to heart with his playmate, Kakashi.

In the end, it may have jumped the shark, but this is certainly not the first time that has happened, so I'm going to continue to kick back and enjoy the show, either way.
 

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This went according to my plan
 

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#5. Well if you go back see Madara wanted the moon's eye plan only because of Hashi & the peeps of Leaf village. Now if he's getting the chance to fight Hashi when Madara is OP! Whats wrong in that? Moon eye's plan won't be successful as long as Hashi's alive. He has to defeat Hashi first anyway and secondly he can summon the Ten Tails again perhaps, although it would be a stretch but anyways.

I agree with everything else. :heh:
 

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I think get why people are so surprised about how Madara is acting, it's completely in his character. This guy thinks nothing in the world can stop him, he's not worried about these fodders running around, he was just keeping them alive to amuse himself until Obito revives him.

Why does Madara care that they are trying to seal the Juubi? He thinks there is no way they can do it, and if they got close he could stop them with little or no effort.

Hashirama appears and Madara knows he can finally get a good fight in before everything is trapped within his genjutsu, but then gets ignored! So yeah of course he's going to pout, because he's an Emo-Uchia and that's what they do. Again he believe they'll fail to seal the Juubi and if they do he can undo it. So when they are done with that he'll get his showdown and smash Hashi for once in his life, break the juubi out, and then slap Obito until he gets rez'd.

Madara is being Madara... Deal with it!
 

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Agreed with all.

However, you must realize that Kishi writes this manga for his targeted audience of Attention Deficit Disorder-riddled 12 year old boys.

He's not Hemingway, Dostoevsky, or James Joyce.
 

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Who knows? Much the way I don't critique a movie at the 1 hour mark, i'll with-hold judgement until the series is over. Or at least the story arch. The panel where Jugo is saying "What are you thinking Sasuke?" is foreshadowing something in my opinion. I don't think Sasuke and Orochimaru can be trusted so damn easily. Also, this final battle to unite the ninja world might be what Madara wanted all along??? Sounds Kishi-ish.

Agreed.
I think Sasuke and Oro will use the 4 Hokages to 'conquer' the village
and make Sasuke Hokage

ORiver
Why not?
 

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1. You had to see this coming. At least I did at even the thought of Sasuke joining the war.

2. Naruto and Sasuke are the only ones that want to be Hokage. Kiba just has his panties in a bunch because of Sasuke. Naruto's and Sasuke's reasons for being Hokage are still valid and do not de-rail the plot.

3. Sasuke may be back to the good side, but he didn't say he forgave the elders for what they did. While it was a little cheap that he went from one extreme to the other I still find it acceptable.

4. I'm with you on this one. While I'm happy Sakura got development and became stronger, there is other ways than just giving her powers. Now out of all powers to give her this one is the best considering they didn't show her training. Because how can you show someone storing chakra. I would've like to see a little bit more on her training.

5. To be fair Madara can't even complete his plan unless he is completely brought back to life. To do that someone needs to use Samsara of Heavenly Life. Obito is the only person alive able to do so. As such he has to listen to him so he can be brought back and become a Jinchuriki to complete his plans. Plus Hashirama is his closest friend and greatest rival.

6. Kushina was trapped in the Reaper Death Seal so she couldn't get brought back. Mito wouldn't be able to emotionally destabilize anyone on the battlefield because everyone that was close to her is dead.

7. Ramen Guy showing up would be cheap. Ramen Guy solos Sot6P.
 
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