Naruto getting to powerful

[6th hokage]

4. Just didnt make any sense, something about tsunade and cramming...what???

You lost me admittedly here

LOL... where did I lose? i said until we know the full extent of his training or learning, we cant say he is weak or strong. which we can only know when we see him fight. jumping onto conclusion before that isnt a smart thing to do.

here u go. cramming thing..

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[twistedlink]

you mean the 2.5 years jiraiya trained naruto and naruto has no new jutsu to show for it apart from oodama rasengan which hes used once, because it sucked ass.

We have seen him fight, his last fight was recent with madara, and he sucked, if madara was actually fighting for real and being serious, naruto would be dead easily by now.

Which has gives me an idea for a new thread....

 

[UzumakiJake]

you mean the 2.5 years jiraiya trained naruto and naruto has no new jutsu to show for it apart from oodama rasengan which hes used once, because it sucked ass.

We have seen him fight, his last fight was recent with madara, and he sucked, if madara was actually fighting for real and being serious, naruto would be dead easily by now.

Which has gives me an idea for a new thread....

Awesome

 

[6th hokage]

you mean the 2.5 years jiraiya trained naruto and naruto has no new jutsu to show for it apart from oodama rasengan which hes used once, because it sucked ass.

We have seen him fight, his last fight was recent with madara, and he sucked, if madara was actually fighting for real and being serious, naruto would be dead easily by now.

Which has gives me an idea for a new thread....

yeah that 2? yr is strange..i have to agree...but thats not what i meant...he got a super upgrade after that...and lets see, what he is upto now...have u seen that massive jutsu where he sliced a hill or sth?

abt madara, there was not just naruto, kakashi,yamato,sai and others cudnt touch him. after all he is madara, and comparing him with naruto is a bit ambitious and unfair to naruto. i dont see naruto has reached there yet.

 

[UzumakiJake]

yeah that 2? yr is strange..i have to agree...but thats not what i meant...he got a super upgrade after that...and lets see, what he is upto now...have u seen that massive jutsu where he sliced a hill or sth?

abt madara, there was not just naruto, kakashi,yamato,sai and others cudnt touch him. after all he is madara, and comparing him with naruto is a bit ambitious and unfair to naruto. i dont see naruto has reached there yet.

I see what you mean. yah naruto could'nt put a finger on that guy.

I dont know about what u guys are sayin but i think he could get there sometime

 

[twistedlink]

yeah that 2? yr is strange..i have to agree...but thats not what i meant...he got a super upgrade after that...and lets see, what he is upto now...have u seen that massive jutsu where he sliced a hill or sth?

abt madara, there was not just naruto, kakashi,yamato,sai and others cudnt touch him. after all he is madara, and comparing him with naruto is a bit ambitious and unfair to naruto. i dont see naruto has reached there yet.

Yeah, which is my point, naruto is NOT overpowered, nor is he BECOMING overpowered, he is still not in the top20 of all ninjas ever, the only akatsuki he defeated was kakuzu, and tbh the others i doubt he could

Orochimaru he couldn't even with 4tails mode
Hidan-cant die, pointless
Deidara-no long range jutsu even now, so instant lose or draw
sasori-haha only granny chiyo could ever get that guy down, he has too many hidden moves that cant be dodged unless you know and seen the moves before.
Konan-admittedly unknown
zetsu-admittedly unknown
kisame-HAHAHAHA hed pwn naruto
madara-pwn naruto
pain-pwn naruto
Jiraiya-pwn naruto
1st hokage-pwn naruto
4th hokage-pwn naruto
tsunade-pwn naruto


Ugh he just isnt that powerful


And yes i saw the jutsu with the cliff, but its not the jutsu its how you use it, and what its hit rate is.

Kishi tried to explain this in kakashi gaiden where minato told kakashi his chidori was useless because he didnt have enough control over it and couldnt handle it.

Its exactly the same with other jutsus, if they miss too much (like rasengan and all its derivatives and power ups) then its simply a waste of chakra, and gives the enemy more info about HOW you attack.

I just find it funny some people think hes to powerful or becoming too powerful

Kakashi can open up black holes man...

Naruto cuts a mountain and suddenly hes overpowered.

black holes can eat up galaxies, thats about 4x10^4500 (40 with 4500 zeros added onto it) bigger than a crappy mountain LOL

We dont know narutos fighting style from sage mode yet...but meh...naruto isnt smart, that is a blatant fact, so i dont ever see how hes going to be as skillfull as sasuke or many others because he simply doesnt think as critically as they do.

 

[Neutrino00]

naruto could pwn tsunadi. super strength isn't that usefull when you have an army of 1000 shinobi after you. and that hole in space/time isn't a black hole, and kakashi couldn't hold it for very long, and it takes forever for him to activate it. as soon as kakashi run's out of chakra there is no more dimensional hole. and i think that most people know what ^ means.

 

[Xero]

Kishi just sucks at training his characters.. basicly what he does is whenever he wants to make a character stronger, he writes like 3 or 4 mangas of him training no matter how stronger the character will be afterwards.

In the series end, I don't think Naruto will be so overpowered that he'll be able to dominate the universe... if he does end up that way, he won't survive the end of the series. So it'll all be fine anyway, since there's no such thing as an overpowered corpse. (except for the Mummy >_>)

 

[6th hokage]

Yeah, which is my point, naruto is NOT overpowered, nor is he BECOMING overpowered, he is still not in the top20 of all ninjas ever, the only akatsuki he defeated was kakuzu, and tbh the others i doubt he could

Orochimaru he couldn't even with 4tails mode
Hidan-cant die, pointless
Deidara-no long range jutsu even now, so instant lose or draw
sasori-haha only granny chiyo could ever get that guy down, he has too many hidden moves that cant be dodged unless you know and seen the moves before.
Konan-admittedly unknown
zetsu-admittedly unknown
kisame-HAHAHAHA hed pwn naruto
madara-pwn naruto
pain-pwn naruto
Jiraiya-pwn naruto
1st hokage-pwn naruto
4th hokage-pwn naruto
tsunade-pwn naruto


Ugh he just isnt that powerful


And yes i saw the jutsu with the cliff, but its not the jutsu its how you use it, and what its hit rate is.

Kishi tried to explain this in kakashi gaiden where minato told kakashi his chidori was useless because he didnt have enough control over it and couldnt handle it.

Its exactly the same with other jutsus, if they miss too much (like rasengan and all its derivatives and power ups) then its simply a waste of chakra, and gives the enemy more info about HOW you attack.

I just find it funny some people think hes to powerful or becoming too powerful

Kakashi can open up black holes man...

Naruto cuts a mountain and suddenly hes overpowered.

black holes can eat up galaxies, thats about 4x10^4500 (40 with 4500 zeros added onto it) bigger than a crappy mountain LOL

We dont know narutos fighting style from sage mode yet...but meh...naruto isnt smart, that is a blatant fact, so i dont ever see how hes going to be as skillfull as sasuke or many others because he simply doesnt think as critically as they do.

We dont know narutos fighting style from sage mode yet..

i agree most part. it seems we also agree we dont know his sage mode ability yet. most of us know sage mode is pretty powerful thing. so there is still an unknown and powerful quantity that comes into naruto equation. he is getting powerful, seems 'funny' to some ppl, where it is evident he is getting powerful under fuka (i agree he is not over powered yet).

PS. Prediction: ultimately he wud pwn pain, madara. bcos the story is called naruto and he is destined child. so to achieve that he needs to improve gradually. he is well on his way to do that.

 

[twistedlink]

naruto could pwn tsunadi. super strength isn't that usefull when you have an army of 1000 shinobi after you. and that hole in space/time isn't a black hole, and kakashi couldn't hold it for very long, and it takes forever for him to activate it. as soon as kakashi run's out of chakra there is no more dimensional hole. and i think that most people know what ^ means.

Actually the latest manga proved otherwise, kakashis activation is faster, also, it is a black hole, its a hole, thats black, and is warping space time that sucks up matter and spews it elsewhere.

Id say thats a blackhole.

Naruto cant use his clones effectively, kakashi has shown that as well.

If tsunade cant beat naruto then naruto could easily be hokage right now, which is laughable, naruto isnt that strong yet.

you never know, some people here think that a 16 year old with 6 different rasengans can beat a sannin, so maybe they dont know what ^ means.


Narutos basic skill and fighting is still not even good enough to beat kakashi

Kakashi simply said naruto has surpassed him in jutsu level, BUT, if that jutsu doesn't hit, its useless, and chakra wasting.

Kakashi said this to sakura too, naruto and sakura both have VERY destructive abilities, naruto with rasengan and sakura can make earthquakes and break massive boulders, BUT, kakashi simply dodges them, and as thus saves chakra while them two are expending a tonne of the stuff.

Narutos rasengan can become much more deadly with simple strategy training, or IQ heightening, rather than adding an element to it and it still missing a lot of the time.

 

[twistedlink]

i agree most part. it seems we also agree we dont know his sage mode ability yet. most of us know sage mode is pretty powerful thing. so there is still an unknown and powerful quantity that comes into naruto equation. he is getting powerful, seems 'funny' to some ppl, where it is evident he is getting powerful under fuka (i agree he is not over powered yet).

PS. Prediction: ultimately he wud pwn pain, madara. bcos the story is called naruto and he is destined child. so to achieve that he needs to improve gradually. he is well on his way to do that.

Oh dont get me wrong, naruto will beat them two, but in order for him to do that he needs to be more powerful than he is right now, meaning if people think hes being too overpowered now, theyre not gonna like future naruto, because theyl think hes stupidly overpowered.

Akatsuki ninjas are out of this world skilled, for naruto to beat them he has to be unfairly powerful compared to most other ninja.

Theres also the fact that hes the only one who can surpass the 4th...so...

Yes, naruto will one day become overpowered in a sense, is he now?

No, personally

Is he nearly now?

No, again, personally, hes probably at the same level jiraiya was when he first learned sage mode, and im sure jiraiya became a lot stronger years after initial training.

 

[Neutrino00]

it isn't a black hole/singularity. a black hole is matter that has become so dense(resulting from a collapse of a large star about 25 times bigger then our own sun) that its gravity becomes so enormous, that it can actually pull the nucleus of an atom in on itself, pretty much breaking the law's of physic's which say that 2 objects cannot occupy the same space. not much is known about black holes, we don't know if they spew out matter in some other dimension, but also the hole thingie kakashi makes has no mass, it is just a rift in the space/time.

 

[Neutrino00]

owning madara isn't naruto's style. and I don't think he will be the one to own him. I think sasuke will be the only one who will beat madara in the future, and it will be with kirin, cause madara wouldn't be able to use space/time intime to avoid it.

 

[twistedlink]

it isn't a black hole/singularity. a black hole is matter that has become so dense(resulting from a collapse of a large star about 25 times bigger then our own sun) that its gravity becomes so enormous, that it can actually pull the nucleus of an atom in on itself, pretty much breaking the law's of physic's which say that 2 objects cannot occupy the same space. not much is known about black holes, we don't know if they spew out matter in some other dimension, but also the hole thingie kakashi makes has no mass, it is just a rift in the space/time.

I know what a black hole is look at my occupation in my profile.

Thats how black holes are made, and its not quite about nucleus breaking in on itself.

The point is the effects of kakashis attacks are very similar to black holes, they are eating up matter and spewing it elsewhere (known as white holes)

Universe has a constant energy amount (disregarding entropy), when a black-hole absorbs matter and energy it spews out the equivalent in a white hole, you cant break laws of physics, not even black holes can.

Either way its a fictional story, it doesnt matter what our black holes are like.

owning madara isn't naruto's style. and I don't think he will be the one to own him. I think sasuke will be the only one who will beat madara in the future, and it will be with kirin, cause madara wouldn't be able to use space/time intime to avoid it.

I 100% agree i made a thread about that actually, because sasuke said "it travels speed of light" and zetsu says later "sorry i cant move at the frickin speed of light"

I found it to be a nice little hint.

But still, theyres potential for naruto to beat madara, even if he physically doesn't.

 

[Cash]

1. Naruto trains with 1,000 clones. Kakashi can't train like that.
2. Naruto can use rasengan with 500 of those clones. Kakashi can only use chidori some 5 times?
3. Naruto knows Senjutsu without Fukusaku. Jiraiya could not.

 

[Neutrino00]

it just says scientist, for all i know you could like be in medicine, or or something else entirely not related to black holes. and white hole's have not been observed. and even if matter could go accross dimensions or accross space or time, then there would be like an infinite number of paradox's and a bunch of other things.

 

[Neutrino00]

also I would like to point out that the laws can never be proven correct, but can always be proven wrong.

 

[twistedlink]

1. Naruto trains with 1,000 clones. Kakashi can't train like that.
2. Naruto can use rasengan with 500 of those clones. Kakashi can only use chidori some 5 times?
3. Naruto knows Senjutsu without Fukusaku. Jiraiya could not.

Thats simply because naruto has a large amount of chakra

Thats like saying a car with 50 gallons of fuels can win a 5 mile speed race against a car with only 10 gallons of fuel.

Amounts of chakra doesnt denote ones strength, it helps, admittedly, but it doesn't mean they'l win

Jiraiya had it 90% down, he only turned SLIGHTLY toad-like, naruto still hasnt had enough experience with sage mode yet to fully appreciate it.

Remember, spiritual chakra comes from training and EXPERIENCE.

Nothing infinite actually physically exist neutrino, its impossible to have a physical infinite, theoretical or virtual infinites are possible...but when it comes to maths, and actual real-world effects and laws, infinite is a nasty thing to use, its just not workable, the maths is limited, and it just doesn't work.

Its effectively a 0 in maths and doesnt help towards much.

 

[Cash]

also I would like to point out that the laws can never be proven correct, but can always be proven wrong.

Theories need to be proven either correct or wrong... such as the THEORY of evolution.
Laws are made to be broken

 

[Cash]

Thats simply because naruto has a large amount of chakra

Thats like saying a car with 50 gallons of fuels can win a 5 mile speed race against a car with only 10 gallons of fuel.

Amounts of chakra doesnt denote ones strength, it helps, admittedly, but it doesn't mean they'l win

Jiraiya had it 90% down, he only turned SLIGHTLY toad-like, naruto still hasnt had enough experience with sage mode yet to fully appreciate it.

Remember, spiritual chakra comes from training and EXPERIENCE.

Nothing infinite actually physically exist neutrino, its impossible to have a physical infinite, theoretical or virtual infinites are possible...but when it comes to maths, and actual real-world effects and laws, infinite is a nasty thing to use, its just not workable, the maths is limited, and it just doesn't work.

Its effectively a 0 in maths and doesnt help towards much.

UMMMM

9-Tails chakra increased his speed and power... Chakra = Power...

Gai just barely beat that fish guy when that guy was only at like 30% power. He's a chakra horse, and is very strong because of it.