Naruto Fanfiction Dojutsu Discussion

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Sounds like a good idea, but use your own characters. They can be based on the characters you described, but be creative and don't just copy other characters.
Originally, I wanted to use my own characters, but then I felt that maybe people wouldn't find them interesting, and that they would prefer it if I used characters they were already familiar with in a crossover kind of style.
 
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Thank you for your listening. I am always happy to help another.

Akimichi Clan
I am gland you enjoy my twist and your more then welcome to use my idea in your fanfic as long as you give credit. I spent alot of time on this looking up the gland system and studying the effects of having the thyroid gland removed. Which I presume that this clan has a more then ordinary gland to be able to use the jitsu they do.

Aburame Clan
To be honest I just got excited to share my own version. hmm :) I was just explaining that in my own version it wasn't a special summon from the past/ secret. It was instead a evolution of the insect itself, which it is just my taste. I felt that this evolution of the insect itself opens up the possibilities for the entire clan and creates new conflicts in the story. In short the evolution route makes new jitsu's for the clan that can be explored/ enjoyed by the writer(new abilities and concepts that were never conceived in the original) and by the audience. As opposed to it being a summon, then it would be just that. But I insist that this is your fanfic I am just someone here to bounce ideas off of.

Hyuuga and Uchiha
Absolutely! I hated the idea of an EMS and even more that the EMS turned into a rinnigan. I mean the idea of a Kenjitsu is that it presents obvious drawbacks and dangers. I mean Sasuke just spams Ameratsu and sussonno w/o regards to his eyes. Then its like well why doesn't everyone have and eye trading day. Problem solved. If I were in your shoes I think I would

1. Not have EMS
2. Have EMS but have a VERY specific set of rules about how to obtain it. Like the two clans Hyuuga/Uchiha have a child and they are born with a much more resilient eye, with both qualities (battle/sensory). That can not have a MS but can activate a EMS/B Rinningan (kinda like Edo-Madara in the latest Naruto Manga)

Inuzuka Clan
I think that this is a splendid idea. Then if it is an very rare elite tracking pack.... that is a Kenjitsu I would suggest that they have some major drawbacks and some awesome abilities.

Nara Clan
I typically don't watch fillers..... they just make me sad..... lol. I love the idea of the shadow stag (i would love to draw that summon, in fact i might) but it is not versatile and i my opinion it is a really straight forward ability that shicka doesn't need. He has both shadow strangle and shadow sewing to battle large summons.
In my own version my goal wasn't to have shicka a kage, but someone who was like a high kage guard, that could really take the Kage's place for short periods of time. In addition I wanted him to really get attached to his masters combat knives (i'm all about narrative/character development)... eventually he would pass them on and they would become a the Leaf's version of a treasure tool. Lol in fact in my own version it was actually Sasuke that became Hokage and Shicka was his right arm and going off on a rant that the 2 tails jink. was one of sasuke's kids.

Anyway, I guess I just love the character alot. But back to your story..... I would need to hear much more about this demonic summon, how it became to be, why it allies itself with the Nara/ teaches the narra, why it is a kenjitsu that is has not been used before/ in a very long time, what is the summons's personality like (since it will become a main feature of the character), and how it would impact/benefit shicka.
BEWARE LONG POST

To be honest with you, a large amount of this I based of already existing anime and manga. Shows like Full Metal Alchemist and Avatar the Last Airbender.

Alright then.

Aburame Clan
Now I see what you mean. Okay, I like it and I think that with your permission I will incorporate that later in the story, but I still feel inclined to leave in the summons as a different idea altogether.

Hyuuga and Uchiha Clan
I think I'll choose option 2 there, although I wonder who I might get to make that happen. I suppose maybe when...

Inuzuka Clan
Any ideas? I was thinking that one key ability they would have is lasting power. They'll be big enough to ride, and will be like Uruk-Hai in that they can run for days after a target without rest. I was thinking also that these wolves could all have elemental affinities. As for drawbacks, I can't really think of any. I was thinking that I could just go with them being extremely wild and ferocious, meaning that if summoned, they will only work with those that they consider to be true Inuzuka, "Of sound mind, controlled hunger, and wild of heart". I don't know, that needs re-wording.

Nara Clan
I can see the logic there, like father like son in their Second in Commandness. I know that I intend to kill off Asuma at some point, but I can't exactly remember when. Either way, I like the idea of turning Asuma's knuckle blades into a Konoha sacred item.

As for the demon, I was thinking of basing his character and demeanor of off L from Death Note. He would have a seemingly playful demeanor, and of course he would be highly intelligent. One thing which I wanted to emphasize though is that he is not a "Good guy". He is a servant to the Nara not by choice, and he won't go out of his way to save anyone non-Nara without benefit to himself.

In order to explain a bit about this demon, I have to explain the early history of my world.

When the world was first created it was created by a collection of gods and demi-gods. Due to their immortality what they always did was create a universe, populate it, and then go and 'entertain themselves' for as long as they wanted. This process of course re-did itself when the universe eventually died.

Now, the general universe and the energy within it were created by the gods, but the demi-gods populated it. They created everything from plants, to animals, to shadows.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about the entire universe here.

On the specific planet that is the Narutoverse, a demi-god created beasts. All the giant creatures that will later be called summons. He created them and they went about doing whatever.

Another demi-god then created humans. That didn't go so well, and they struggled badly to survive. He had created them with the potential to be more powerful than any beast, but that was kinda wasted due to the fact that he didn't give them the knowledge (How to mould and manipulate chakra) to use their potential.

When humans were at an all time low, most of them hiding in the mountains and living underground, he made the decision to go down himself and teach them. Step in Sage of Six Paths. That was the demi-god himself. He taught them how to manipulate chakra only at first, thinking they could figure out moulding by themselves later.

What this is essentially akin to is bending from Avatar the Last Airbender. He taught them to convert their chakra into the elements, but not how to specifically shape it like we see people do with techniques such as Water Dragon Jutsu, Rasengan, Chidori.

Throughout all this he was of course operating in a human vessel, and as such he had limited time. He extended this time by staying in Sage Mode extensively, and elongating his life using the natural life energy from around himself.

He led the humans onto the surface after teaching them, and although for the most part he let them do the fighting themselves so that they could learn, he did step in whenever they fought beasts too powerful for them to handle.

Soon, humans began to break away in groups, spreading out now that they were more confident in their powers. This growth pushed the beasts further and further back, and they eventually all but disappeared into the mountains.

At some point, the Sage and his people came across the Jyuubi, the strongest creature in existence. And the Sage fought it, defeated it, and sealed it inside himself.

Now, it has to be pointed out that the demi-god who is the Sage of Six Paths created humans with souls, and due to his love for his creation he made it so that they all went to a kind 'heaven' after death. Most demi-gods didn't really care that he did this, since there are countless galaxies to mess around with, but one did. That one, created "hell" and "limbo", and he created an easy way to get a ticket straight there in the form of the Shinigami.

When the Shinigami was first created it was actually a physical manifestation of death, that roamed around killing things and banishing their souls to limbo. It should be noted that it only did this to beings it deemed deeply sinful, and as such it wasn't really doing anything wrong. At some point it gained a following called the Jashin cult (I had to sneak them in somewhere). They chose seven representatives to be the demon's "guard", since in my fic they followed the idea of the Seven Deadly Sins. These seven were granted great power due to them being in the demon's presence. (I'll refer back to this in a bit)

So, when the Sage realized that the Shinigami was roaming around killing things, he was not happy. He confronted it, and defeated it, but in trying to completely banish it from the physical realm, he damaged himself irreparably. The damage he did to his own spiritual form was quite severe, and he was close to death (in that his spirit would explode, and reform itself over millenia). So, firstly he split up the jyuubi into bite sized chunks (Bijuu), and then he split his powers between his two sons, and then he kicked the bucket.

BTW, the Jashin cult was headed by a clan called the Kuma. And although they never directly put any of their own members as one of the seven chosen ones, they were the ones who selected the seven from the cults ranks. When the Shinigami was defeated, the cult was in uproar, and tried to destroy his followers. Of course, they were hammered. With their numbers extremely low, they attempted to summon the Shinigami back by sacrificing the seven chosen ones. HOWEVER, of the seven, 4 of them aborted the sacrifice midway, causing a reaction that killed most in attendance, and sealed away the other 3 for X years. The 4 who escaped, simply scattered into the world, thinking the Jashin cult was dead. But one Kuma survived, and for generations he passed on the knowledge of the cult, waiting for the day that the 3 who were sealed away, would return.
BTW, one power the seven all possessed was immortality. And guess who's one of the seven... HIDAN! Although he's gone crazy over time, largly due to the guilt that he still has over abandoning the summoning, and getting everyone else killed. That's the reason why he does all the sacrifices, technically speaking the Jashin cult never required sacrifices, unless it was for a specific reason. And Hidan is in fact significantly stronger than in Canon, due to the ludicrously long life, but once again, he is batshit crazy.

Okay, I just realized that I still haven't spoken about the demon of the Nara.

He's not a really a demon, but a demi-god, and the specific god that created darkness and shadow (I am aware that those two don't actually go together). He met a human on the planet, and normally he would just kill him and move on, but this human was smart, very smart.

He made a deal with the demi-god, that they would exchange riddles for his life. (Like Gollum and Bilbo in The Hobbit). The demi-god, curious as he was, accepted. And subsequently lost.

He wasn't angry about it however, since he was now fascinated by this human who seemed to be blindingly intelligent. Eventually they made a deal that if the human won a series of mind games, then he would ensure the longevity of his family, and teach him how to manipulate shadows. In the end he lost, but it was because he was tricked, and that in itself pissed him off. Due to the terms of agreement however, he couldn't kill the human.

From then on, the Nara (this guys clan), never lost their Clan Head, before he had borne a child. Ever. Because if he ever came close to being killed, then the demon would bail him out.

When I think more on it, I realize that this isn't really a kinjutsu, but I think that's alright since it isn't something one can do voluntarily. However I think I might say that you can summon the demi-god at some point, but once you do, it no longer protects you and if you die without having had children, the process is broken and it goes free.

Sorry, but one other thing I forgot to finish was about the bending. I said that at first all humans could do was bend like in ATLA, the Sage eventually taught them the manner in which hand seals could be used to manipulate their chakra. However he didn't teach them all the hand seals, and there is a major drawback of using them.

The way bending worked was simple. Your body created chakra and converted it to your natural affinity allowing to you to expel and control it. However it needs mentioning that once you tampered with this natural process, it was a very difficult road going back. So using hand seals to produce more precise and specific outcomes meant that you gave up the ability to bend freely.

At first most humans chose to stick with bending, due to the fact that hand seals were still quite limited. But as time wore on and they became more and more useful, allowing someone to use more than one element for example, more people switched. The rate of change got so drastic, that the benders began forming temples where they tried to keep bending alive.

They succeeded in that bending still exists, even in Naruto's time, but it only really exists in those temples.
 
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Sounds like a good idea, but use your own characters. They can be based on the characters you described, but be creative and don't just copy other characters.
In fact, I think I kind of wanted to have my story act at some points, kind of like a tribute to all my favorite manga. I was going to use that to hopefully distinguish my story from others and make it more memorable in that it have cameos from characters from a variety of shows, and yet it isn't a parody and does in fact have a clear distinguished story. Some characters might just get an honorable mention since they'd already be dead, some characters might get clear important roles in the story. But I did kind of want to get my favorites in their, and integrate them in a realistic and interesting way.

Shaman King
I don't know if you've ever seen it, or read it, but this was the Anime that got me into anime. Some of my favorite all time characters are in it, and I've put them into the story in the form of a group of diminishing clans that focus on similar areas, coming together and forming what they call a spirit alliance, their own village. They don't actively practise the ninja arts, and a rare few of them are actually capable of battle, so I would not use them as a massive tide turner in a war or something.

Full Metal Alchemist

I loved the concept of the Seven Deadly Sins, and that is why I integrated it into the idea of the Jashin cult, allowing me to give the cult more depth whilst sliding in possibly my favorite group from any anime/manga. I won't be using any characters from the original seven though.
Ed and Alphonse are still my favorite non-romance relationship, and I have done my best to put them into the story, and I've even managed to incorporate the disabilities they gained in a similar fashion, and because of that they have similar goals.

Tekken

The first video game I ever played. I haven't gone back to it, nor have I played and enjoyed many of its sequels, but it still ahs a special place in my heart when I remember the countless hours I dedicated to it. The hours I spent trying to figure out how to Yoshimutsu weird ass attacks, or how I reveled in beating my cousins using Law's backflip kicks.
To be honest with you fitting these guys in was tough, and the few I have decided to put in don't really have much of an impact on the story. Although Yoshimitsu is going to be one of the seven sins.

And that's just a few of them. The one pitfall I want to avoid with this is to not base the story on these characters, as the story is mainly about Naruto, the Konoha 12 and what they go through.
 

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Sorry, It will take me awhile to get back to this post. I just got really busy in my personal life. So I probably will take me around a week to get back to these posts.
 

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Okay. I'm finally at a point I can fully talk about this.
I have read through the entire post. THANK YOU for posting the warning.

Okay, I'm still a little confused at the beginning of the world. But that's okay.
So from what I understand (correct me if im wrong) you would like to add
Avatar the last air Bender- ability to shape nature
Full Metal Alchemist- seven sins to the Jasin Religion/flesh out the origin of the religion. Some how add AL/ED into the world
Takken- add Yoshimutsu as one of the sins listed above
Shaman King- ? add some filler characters

I will take the day to think on this and get back to you on how to incorporate this. It might be some where along the lines of helping out that leader of the Jasin cult.

Get back to me if I missed anything/ got something wrong.
 
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Okay im getting really exciterd. I pushed somethings around to make 5 mins for this. :)

So I haven't played/ watched all of the titles you posted but here is a very rough idea of my thoughts.
I still think you can make all of these your own unique characters.
1. Easy transition into the Naruto universe, w/o complexly explaining how these characters got there.
2. Fun as none other, since you're like me and really like to nit-pic various aspects you can think of ways to have similar characters
3. You are not then bound to the same rules as the originals... for instance your Ed character can have Alchemy(jitsu) with forming just one hand seal. In fact he specializes in it. While his brother, Ed is a puppet user.
4. Coming up with a new view on a character/ unexplained event / plot holes is actually really fun. In this regard I can really help because I am a sounding board/ plot editor. So I can suggest something or ask for a better explanation/description, ect...

As for your plot. I like it alot. (I didn't mean to rhyme)
I think if you want to explore the K11 more(possibly after the war) you could have the Jashin cult leader, Kuma, ask the leaf to help him hide from the the people who are hunting him trying to permanently kill him. This is granted by the Hokage(whoever that is; in my mind Shicka is not because you are going to want him more involved in the story) But Kuma just came to help Hidan escape from the Nara prison (Had an idea that Hidan had his head attach to a Nara body so he could escape the deer). He wants Hidan's help to find the other 2 members and get some converts from the various bending temples. So they can revive the "demigod" death.
I need to think of a reason for Kuma to be viewed as righteous, I always think that bad guys have better stories then good guys.
 
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Okay, first off sorry I haven't replied in a bit, I was on holiday and didn't have access to the internet.

Now, I think it would make much more sense if I tell you the general outline I've got first. But the problem with that is that I haven't fully figured it out yet. That's why I was wondering if you wouldn't mind me going through it bit by bit, and you adding any comments and alterations as we go.

I suppose I'll kick off by just running down the people who will act as villains at some point in the saga. Please note that I intend to separate the story into parts when I write it, similar to how you have Naruto then Shippuden with a 3 year timeskip.

However I intend to separate it into more pieces than just two, because it will span pretty much from Naruto's age 13 until he dies (or not, yet to decide) at whatever age (probably mid to late 20's)

Okay, in no particular order the villains I've got right now are

Orochimaru
He will act as a villain primarily to Konoha as a whole. However unlike in Canon, he does not in fact have a grudge with Konoha, his true grudge lies with the 3rd Hokage. For Orochimaru all he cares about is killing the 3rd, and learning all jutsu in the world.

Bartholomew Kuma and the Jashin Cult
To begin with they will primarily be considered a worrying enigma, but they later become a global threat when they attempt to summon the Death God.

Izuna Uchiha, Madara Uchiha and Obito Uchiha
Their plan is to capture all the tailed beasts, and use them to summon the Jyuubi, and cast a worldwide tsukuyomi. They will at first surface and try to take the jinchuuriki whilst they are younger and weaker, but they will be thwarted and retreat, only coming back as the story's last true villains.

All Others
Of course there will be other filler esque villains. But asides from them there will also be Shinobi World War where Orochimaru pretty much manages to get damn nearly everyone against Konoha. It will be Kumo, Oto, Iwa against Konoha and Suna.

I suppose that all might be a bit to take in... or not.

Plot Ideas Prior to Naruto's Birth

Okay, I'm changing up a lot of things from this period. I'd like it if you took a look, and gave me your opinion on whether or not you feel if it'll change the story in a useful way. As any questions you need to about the reasons why I'm changing this stuff though.

Konoha's Creation

Konoha was created by the Uchiha, Senju, Aburame and Nara clans. Already that is a key difference. Because of this, in my story these clans are considered to be the Noble clans. The Hyuuga were the next clan to join, and due to the massive influence they had on the village's development they are also considered to be a Noble clan.

Iwa and Kumo are both enemies of Konoha. Kiri are indifferent, although they don't approve of Konoha's soft ways. Suna on the other hand are very much their ally.

The 1st and 2nd Hokage
Let me tell you straight away, the 1st Hokage was pretty bad as a Hokage. Sure he was the strongest man alive, but in my story which is set in a realistic gritty world, he makes for a poor leader. His reign could have been absolutely terrible were it not for the influence of his brother.

His brother acted much like Danzo does later, and intervened, fixing many of his brother's mistakes behind his back. However his frustration with the 1st Hokage grew as the years passed, and it reached its apex when he gave away the tailed beasts looking for equality amongst the ninja villages.

When this turned against him, and Konoha was dragged into war against Kiri and Kumo, the 1st Hokage was injured in a battle against jinchuuriki. As he recovered, his brother decided that for Konoha's future he had to kill him, and so he poisoned him.

When Tobirama became the 2nd Hokage, he thought that he would now have a chance to rectify his brother's mistakes. To be fair he did prove to be a far more competent Hokage, but he soon realized that being Hokage to a village with Konoha's soft mentality wasn't the best idea. He was stopped from implementing some of his more radical ideas by the councils.

He then realized that the village was better of having someone like Hashirama (1st) as Hokage and himself as the Dark Knight who did the dirty deeds, and cleaned up his brother's messes.

The Whole thing with the 2nd being hunt down by the Ginkaku Force stills happens, but there will be a few slight differences.

One, he makes Hiruzen the Hokage, but he also influences Danzo to finish creating Root which he himself (Tobirama) had already begun planning.

Two, he fakes his death so that he can serve Konoha and protect it without being linked back to it.

The Sannin

I've already decided that I will also write a separate story for the Sannin because their story is quite deep actually. The relationships in this team are all over the place, and they all come in with their own personal baggage.

Orochimaru comes in as an orphan who displays amazing talent, and has a lot on his shoulders since he is the poster boy for the civilians who want to see more high profile civilian born shinobi.

Tsunade comes in as the heir to the legendary Senju. She is one of the last remaining members, and a lot is riding on her succeeding to become Hokage.

Jiraiya comes in as the knucklehead. He has shown some talent, but it is being held back considerably by his immaturity and lack of direction.

In the story it essentially goes like so. They grow and become close as time passes. Jiraiya, Tsunade and Hiruzen are the only people that Orochimaru cares for, and they are what he qualifies as his family. But then the team begins falling apart. Tsunade slowly becomes more reclusive after losing both her boyfriend and then her younger brother, Jiraiya becomes obsessed with training his star pupil and pretty much ignores his teammates, and Orochimaru, who was off a fragile state of mind as it was, is now left alone to his machinations.

Eventually Orochimaru leaves the village feeling betrayed by both Hiruzen and Jiraiya because of Minato being chosen as Hokage, and Tsunade leaves not long after blaming Hiruzen for Orochimaru's defection and her boyfriend and brother's deaths. After that Jiraiya struggles to keep it together, especially when Minato dies. For Jiraiya that is essentially the last straw and he becomes Konoha's spymaster in order to keep his mind from dwelling on past mistakes.

BTW Throughout all this Hiruzen is in fact the one who made the biggest mistakes leading to this clustermonkey of a team. In my story, Orochimaru hates Hiruzen, Tsunade hates Hiruzen and the village, Jiraiya hates himself, and Hiruzen knows he made mistakes, but keeps it bottled inside thinking that he has to be strong for the village.

Yeah, emotions will be alllll over the place.

And the way they eventually come to an end is in fact rather sad. Since Tsunade always had a soft spot for Orochimaru due to the fact that she had always seen him as a victim of his situation and ambitions, this allows Orochimaru to later manipulate her into being on his side. Essentially evil, but more like controlled.

In the end Tsunade and Orochimaru fight together against Jiraiya, Jiraiya manages to take Orochimaru with him when he dies. Tsunade then vows to continue Orochimaru's vendetta against Hiruzen since she also hates him. When she fights him, he manages to defeat her kind of easily since he is combat oriented and she not so much. But then he's pretty much kind of left dead inside from the whole ordeal, and when Konoha is destroyed later during the World War he doesn't have it in him emotionally to keep going and he pretty much stays to bide time for everyone to escape, even though its really his way of having an honorable death despite leading a mistake riddled life.

The Ame Orphans

For the most part they will remain the same. Nagato is given the Rinnegan by Izuna/Obito, but Yahiko doesn't die this time. Danzo and his Root soldiers fight alongside Yahiko's Akatsuki and they defeat Hanzo. Danzo does this because he and Tobirama reason that since Jiraiya trained Yahiko, it wouldn't be wrong to assume that they could become powerful allies to Konoha later.

However this of course works against Izuna/Obito's plans because now Nagato never becomes evil. This means that later they will be forced to get the Rinnegan back from him by force.

I think that's it. At least for now. So please go ahead and tell me what you think. And sorry again for not responding for a while, no rudeness was meant there.
 
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I think all of the above points are valid and really interesting....
However, I am really confused to what your story actually is. I mean love having back story, it's all really thought out and really gives me insight to the grittiness of the world your creating but there is no narrative.

How about this, lets start with the very 1st arch of your story. My immediate questions are......

Who is the main character(s)?
What is the conflict?
Why is the conflict happening?
When does this story take place?
Where does your story start? (the leaf or outside it)
What is the resolution?
Why should I (the reader) care?

Last point is the most important because it engages the reader by making the reader connect with the narrative.
 
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Who is the main character(s)?
What is the conflict?
Why is the conflict happening?
When does this story take place?
Where does your story start? (the leaf or outside it)
What is the resolution?
Why should I (the reader) care?
Okay then, fair point.

In the first arch the main characters really are Naruto and Sasuke. Some time will be given towards giving backstory and depth to some of the other Konoha genin, but primarily just Naruto and Sasuke.

The conflict, is slightly more complicated. In fact I'm happy you pointed this out because I didn't really have a clear conflict for the first arch. It was supposed to be more introductory than anything else. And the main reason why I'm struggling to think of a clear conflict is because most if not all of my villains have long term plans.

Look, one thing which is conflicting will of course be team dynamics. Naruto and Sasuke know each other well and work well together, but they don't know Sakura. They also don't like or trust Kakashi. So there's some conflicting stuff right there. And of course I'm going to have a similar mission to the Land of Waves one, and there the conflict will be caused by Zabuza and Haku and whoever else I include.

So in short, the primary conflict in the first arch is team dynamics. Naruto and Sasuke keep to themselves, Sakura is kind of an outsider, and Kakashi doesn't put too much effort into teaching any of them.

Why is the conflict happening? I think I might have already answered that.

This story takes place during the same time as canon. It starts really when they graduate and moves on from there.

The place will be Konoha, but I will have short segments with Jiraiya as he does his spymaster stuff, because at least then I can give the reader some insight as to what the bad guys are planning, and a chance to see some high level battles.

The resolution for the first arch, will pretty much be Team Kakashi coming to a kind of mutual understanding. I know its kind of cliched, but that should be countered by the fact that quite a bit of startling new information will be introduced to entice the reader for the next arch which will be after a timeskip.

Now, as to why the reader should care. I was hoping to create some emotional ties to Naruto and Sasuke by inserting a number of flashbacks to their childhoods highlighting certain events, and the whole idea would be to get the reader emotionally invested in them. And then from then on, I was also going to make it clear that in my story, people die. It doesn't matter who they are because I am willing to kill them for the sake of the story.

One thing which I think you can already tell I'm trying to do, is get the reader to sympathize with nearly all my characters. When I write from Jiraiya's perspective, there will be moments where he shows vulnerability to his past and the mistakes he has made. I will also write some parts from Orochimaru's perspective, although throughout my story I will never actually name him clearly as Orochimaru, the only hint will be one moment were he kind of reminisces on being part of the Sannin. Of course this being Orochimaru he crushes that feeling straight away.

You know, I'm looking back and I'm thinking that maybe I wasn't too clear about why the reader should care. Eh, tell me what you think.
 

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Okay then, fair point.

In the first arch the main characters really are Naruto and Sasuke. Some time will be given towards giving backstory and depth to some of the other Konoha genin, but primarily just Naruto and Sasuke.

The conflict, is slightly more complicated. In fact I'm happy you pointed this out because I didn't really have a clear conflict for the first arch. It was supposed to be more introductory than anything else. And the main reason why I'm struggling to think of a clear conflict is because most if not all of my villains have long term plans.

Look, one thing which is conflicting will of course be team dynamics. Naruto and Sasuke know each other well and work well together, but they don't know Sakura. They also don't like or trust Kakashi. So there's some conflicting stuff right there. And of course I'm going to have a similar mission to the Land of Waves one, and there the conflict will be caused by Zabuza and Haku and whoever else I include.

So in short, the primary conflict in the first arch is team dynamics. Naruto and Sasuke keep to themselves, Sakura is kind of an outsider, and Kakashi doesn't put too much effort into teaching any of them.

Why is the conflict happening? I think I might have already answered that.

This story takes place during the same time as canon. It starts really when they graduate and moves on from there.

The place will be Konoha, but I will have short segments with Jiraiya as he does his spymaster stuff, because at least then I can give the reader some insight as to what the bad guys are planning, and a chance to see some high level battles.

The resolution for the first arch, will pretty much be Team Kakashi coming to a kind of mutual understanding. I know its kind of cliched, but that should be countered by the fact that quite a bit of startling new information will be introduced to entice the reader for the next arch which will be after a timeskip.

Now, as to why the reader should care. I was hoping to create some emotional ties to Naruto and Sasuke by inserting a number of flashbacks to their childhoods highlighting certain events, and the whole idea would be to get the reader emotionally invested in them. And then from then on, I was also going to make it clear that in my story, people die. It doesn't matter who they are because I am willing to kill them for the sake of the story.

One thing which I think you can already tell I'm trying to do, is get the reader to sympathize with nearly all my characters. When I write from Jiraiya's perspective, there will be moments where he shows vulnerability to his past and the mistakes he has made. I will also write some parts from Orochimaru's perspective, although throughout my story I will never actually name him clearly as Orochimaru, the only hint will be one moment were he kind of reminisces on being part of the Sannin. Of course this being Orochimaru he crushes that feeling straight away.

You know, I'm looking back and I'm thinking that maybe I wasn't too clear about why the reader should care. Eh, tell me what you think.
hmm so a retelling of the 2nd cannon arch? Sounds intriguing.
So Naruto and Sasuke know each other well and work well together. Are they friends? Or do they talk about their past and become friends? .... why do they work well together/trust one another? (On a side note are you keeping the genius- idiot dynamic of the two)

Also in this version neither of them know Sakura. In the cannon it was the exact opposite. Sasuke and Naruto were the outcasts/ hated one another and didn't work well together and Naruto "grew up" chasing after Sakura. The only question that I have for her is she going to be useful? PLEASE, PLEASE make her useful. I hated that she had zero use besides being a dictionary and a human sheild in the original cannon.

LoL, they also don't like or trust Kakashi,(when I first met him neither did I) this will be much easier to write in. In fact this might be your strongest character already because of his transformation from uncaring, lazy, untrustworthy and nonchalant to becoming the protector and even making that promise (the one that obito declared when he was a kid) when fighting Zabuza.

On the topic of killing EVERYONE :) I am glad you are willing to kill important characters but don't be too hasty with mains. I would primarily keep it to extras because you never know when those mains will come in handy.... Or at least until you have 3+ arcs well organized and written out so you know 100% you are okay killing them. Also if you want to have people die (it would lend to the grittiness) in this arch I would suggest that they fail at protecting the bridge master/his family. But somehow the deaths were able to inspire the town to fight the "mobster" terrorizing the town w/ the help of the leaf.

These deaths could also be used to bond the 4 mains and you could even use the end of the chaos as a lead into the next arch.
 

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The other way I might be able to help you is I like to draw on my free time. If you give me a script and some time I could draw a "manga" to go with your story.
 
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hmm so a retelling of the 2nd cannon arch? Sounds intriguing.
So Naruto and Sasuke know each other well and work well together. Are they friends? Or do they talk about their past and become friends? .... why do they work well together/trust one another? (On a side note are you keeping the genius- idiot dynamic of the two)

Also in this version neither of them know Sakura. In the cannon it was the exact opposite. Sasuke and Naruto were the outcasts/ hated one another and didn't work well together and Naruto "grew up" chasing after Sakura. The only question that I have for her is she going to be useful? PLEASE, PLEASE make her useful. I hated that she had zero use besides being a dictionary and a human sheild in the original cannon.

LoL, they also don't like or trust Kakashi,(when I first met him neither did I) this will be much easier to write in. In fact this might be your strongest character already because of his transformation from uncaring, lazy, untrustworthy and nonchalant to becoming the protector and even making that promise (the one that obito declared when he was a kid) when fighting Zabuza.

On the topic of killing EVERYONE :) I am glad you are willing to kill important characters but don't be too hasty with mains. I would primarily keep it to extras because you never know when those mains will come in handy.... Or at least until you have 3+ arcs well organized and written out so you know 100% you are okay killing them. Also if you want to have people die (it would lend to the grittiness) in this arch I would suggest that they fail at protecting the bridge master/his family. But somehow the deaths were able to inspire the town to fight the "mobster" terrorizing the town w/ the help of the leaf.

These deaths could also be used to bond the 4 mains and you could even use the end of the chaos as a lead into the next arch.
Well, as far as Naruto and Sasuke are concerned, they might as well be best friends. In my story Naruto's mother doesn't die at the kyuubi's sealing, and she raises Naruto for the first 6 years.

In those years she of course introduces him to her best friends son, Sasuke. Even after Kushina dies, Naruto ends up living with Sasuke, and they both suffer emotional damage from the Uchiha Massacre. It is because of their backgrounds and the fact that they have both lost their loved ones that they are so close.

As far as the genius/idiot dynamic is concerned, I'm sorry but no that isn't there. The shinobi council forced Hiruzen to have Naruto undergo training from the age of 6 onwards in order to ensure that he would be a powerful jinchuuriki. Naruto trains with Danzo and Hiruzen, and as such he is quite advanced.

Ever since the Uchiha massacre, Sasuke also attends Naruto's sessions with Hiruzen, and they both benefit from Naruto's training with his official bodyguard, Yamato.

Now Sakura. In my version Naruto doesn't chase after her at all. He knows who she is, and he notices her, but both he and Sasuke have a respect thing going on in that they only extend their kindness to those they respect. Sasuke respects actual skill, whereas Naruto respects determination.

As for whether or not she's useful? I have to admit she is relatively useless for the first arch, BUT after realizing just how much of a deadweight she truly is during the mission, she actively goes to Naruto and Sasuke and asks for their help in growing stronger.

Trust me on this, by the time the characters are 18+, she is essentially joint second strongest in the Konoha Eleven (yes, that's team Gai too).

I'm going to justify her strength on her chakra control. In my story chakra control can't be improved. It is a fixed ability that one possesses. But, all it really affects is the speed at which you can learn jutsu. The worse your control, the longer it will take. It also affects how easy it is for you to create completely original jutsu. On top of that, PERFECT chakra control is rare, as in EXCEEDINGLY
RARE. The only living Konoha characters with perfect chakra control are Orochimaru and Sakura. Yes, that rare.

How does all this link back to Sakura? Well, after she improves her abysmal fitness, her skill level rockets because she learns things far faster than anyone else, and in my story she develops quite the repetoire of abilities.

- Earth Ninjutsu
- Fire Ninjutsu
- Sealing
- Medical Ninjutsu
- High Level Genjutsu
- High Level Hitting Strength

So you see, nothing to worry about.

Yeah, to be honest with you, I can't wait for the whole Zabuza situation.

In order to spice it up, I've decided that Team Kakashi goes there as backup for Team Asuma, after Asuma sends for backup when they defeat the demon brothers.

Let me just tell you right now, Kakuzu gets involved, and he comes looking for bounties. Guess what? Asuma Sarutobi, Kakashi Hatake, Zabuza Momochi, its christmas for him! And I also can't wait to show the true distinction between A rank and S rank shinobi.

I'm also going to point out that Zabuza is only A rank as a assassin. As a head to head fighter he's high B rank at best. That is precisely why he damn nearly bisects Asuma when he tries to assassinate him.

(I never understood why Zabuza came right out and ruined his surprise advantage against Kakashi. He's an assassin for pete's sake, you would think he would just do his job silently.)

I'm sorry if I made it out like I was going to get trigger happy with deaths, that is not what I meant to say. All I meant was that I won't hold back from killing if I think a certain character is in a situation where it is highly probable.

Sadly, Tazuna and his crew do die, but that's more to do with the entirety of Team Kakashi and Team Asuma running for their lives when Kakuzu shows up. But they do manage to complete the bridge prior to that, and I guess I'll think up some way for the village to be inspired during this mess.
 
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The other way I might be able to help you is I like to draw on my free time. If you give me a script and some time I could draw a "manga" to go with your story.
That sounds great, although I think I would have to do some work at figuring out how to write a half decent script since I've never done anything of the sort. But that's an idea certainly on the cards at a later date.
 

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Well, as far as Naruto and Sasuke are concerned, they might as well be best friends. In my story Naruto's mother doesn't die at the kyuubi's sealing, and she raises Naruto for the first 6 years.

In those years she of course introduces him to her best friends son, Sasuke. Even after Kushina dies, Naruto ends up living with Sasuke, and they both suffer emotional damage from the Uchiha Massacre. It is because of their backgrounds and the fact that they have both lost their loved ones that they are so close.

As far as the genius/idiot dynamic is concerned, I'm sorry but no that isn't there. The shinobi council forced Hiruzen to have Naruto undergo training from the age of 6 onwards in order to ensure that he would be a powerful jinchuuriki. Naruto trains with Danzo and Hiruzen, and as such he is quite advanced.

Ever since the Uchiha massacre, Sasuke also attends Naruto's sessions with Hiruzen, and they both benefit from Naruto's training with his official bodyguard, Yamato.

Now Sakura. In my version Naruto doesn't chase after her at all. He knows who she is, and he notices her, but both he and Sasuke have a respect thing going on in that they only extend their kindness to those they respect. Sasuke respects actual skill, whereas Naruto respects determination.

As for whether or not she's useful? I have to admit she is relatively useless for the first arch, BUT after realizing just how much of a deadweight she truly is during the mission, she actively goes to Naruto and Sasuke and asks for their help in growing stronger.

Trust me on this, by the time the characters are 18+, she is essentially joint second strongest in the Konoha Eleven (yes, that's team Gai too).

I'm going to justify her strength on her chakra control. In my story chakra control can't be improved. It is a fixed ability that one possesses. But, all it really affects is the speed at which you can learn jutsu. The worse your control, the longer it will take. It also affects how easy it is for you to create completely original jutsu. On top of that, PERFECT chakra control is rare, as in EXCEEDINGLY
RARE. The only living Konoha characters with perfect chakra control are Orochimaru and Sakura. Yes, that rare.

How does all this link back to Sakura? Well, after she improves her abysmal fitness, her skill level rockets because she learns things far faster than anyone else, and in my story she develops quite the repetoire of abilities.

- Earth Ninjutsu
- Fire Ninjutsu
- Sealing
- Medical Ninjutsu
- High Level Genjutsu
- High Level Hitting Strength

So you see, nothing to worry about.

Yeah, to be honest with you, I can't wait for the whole Zabuza situation.

In order to spice it up, I've decided that Team Kakashi goes there as backup for Team Asuma, after Asuma sends for backup when they defeat the demon brothers.

Let me just tell you right now, Kakuzu gets involved, and he comes looking for bounties. Guess what? Asuma Sarutobi, Kakashi Hatake, Zabuza Momochi, its christmas for him! And I also can't wait to show the true distinction between A rank and S rank shinobi.

I'm also going to point out that Zabuza is only A rank as a assassin. As a head to head fighter he's high B rank at best. That is precisely why he damn nearly bisects Asuma when he tries to assassinate him.

(I never understood why Zabuza came right out and ruined his surprise advantage against Kakashi. He's an assassin for pete's sake, you would think he would just do his job silently.)

I'm sorry if I made it out like I was going to get trigger happy with deaths, that is not what I meant to say. All I meant was that I won't hold back from killing if I think a certain character is in a situation where it is highly probable.

Sadly, Tazuna and his crew do die, but that's more to do with the entirety of Team Kakashi and Team Asuma running for their lives when Kakuzu shows up. But they do manage to complete the bridge prior to that, and I guess I'll think up some way for the village to be inspired during this mess.
hmm Hirzen and Danzo training sasuke... would be a great mind fuc* when he learns that both of them were the direct result of the massacre. Just because I am curious as hell in the first arch what techs are the two going to learn? But sounds great so far. I can't wait to read the final.

As to the drawing I am not as good as kish but I can try to make good panels and it will take a while to get done but im sure i can do it.
The script is easy. We can experiment with how we communicate but it is mostly describing the scene, what each character says/does, and how the transitions take place. ( you need to be really descriptive which you have no problems) :)
 
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hmm Hirzen and Danzo training sasuke... would be a great mind fuc* when he learns that both of them were the direct result of the massacre. Just because I am curious as hell in the first arch what techs are the two going to learn? But sounds great so far. I can't wait to read the final.

As to the drawing I am not as good as kish but I can try to make good panels and it will take a while to get done but im sure i can do it.
The script is easy. We can experiment with how we communicate but it is mostly describing the scene, what each character says/does, and how the transitions take place. ( you need to be really descriptive which you have no problems) :)
Yeah, I completely agree on the Uchiha massacre thing, its going to be awesome writing that.

As for Naruto and Sasuke's skills in the first arch.

They are both overqualified to be genin. Sasuke is low chuunin, and Naruto high chuunin.

Due to Naruto's appalling chakra control he has a very small arsenal of jutsu thus far, especially since no one has figured out the whole shadow clone training hax.
To counter his crap control though, Danzo had him train in simply changing his chakra into wind chakra instantly. What this means in that in battle he can use wind ninjutsu without seals, although it lacks finesse.

Because of this weakness, Naruto has turned his attention to other means for fighting. He uses Seals, traps, stealth and kenjutsu to even the playing field. His weapon is a bento.

Sasuke on the other hand has far better chakra control, so he already has a number of fire and lightning ninjutsu under his belt, although most of them are low level. Sasuke also is greatly skilled with a tanto.

To be honest with you, during this first arch they don't learn much from Kakashi. Naruto takes up tracking from him, and Sasuke is just taught one new lightning ninjutsu.

Away from that they don't learn much since Kakashi doesn't put much effort into training them.

Okay, just let me get the general idea of what's going to happen during the first arch from event to event, and then we can start figuring out how to translate that into script form.

Could you tell me what you think of this idea which I'm using. Since Kushina didn't die, and she was the only sealmaster who was familiar with Naruto's seal, she improved it such that Naruto is running on one tails worth of kyuubi chakra.

Her end goal in doing this was to make sure that Naruto can access all of the Kyuubi's chakra without having to confront it.

Since he has one tail constantly coursing through his body, he no longer feels any negative side effects from this amount of kyuubi chakra in his body. On top of that, his speed and strength are increased to a high chuunin level which allows him to take on older opponents, although of course against an A or S rank he would still be curb stomped.
 
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Sorry but something just came to mind when I was thinking about how the story progresses. What do you think should be the average progression in skills for characters.

Because in Canon, at the age of 16 Naruto and Sasuke are already S-ranks, and I know for a fact that I don't want that to happen in my story.

I was thinking that for the average ninja, they reach their peak in and around 20-25, and for the more talented they reach their major plateau in and around 18-23.

I think it just seems more balanced. Any thoughts?

And also, Gaara. I don't know if you read the manga, or watched the Anime, but in the manga Gaara is psychotic. And yet somehow he manages to become sane AND respected in Suna to become Kage within 3 years.

I'm pretty sure I don't want that happening in my story, simply because it seems illogical. I've got something lined up for Gaara, but just wanted to know what your thoughts were on this before I post my ideas.
 
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I'm a bit confused, if Sasuke got Tsunades DNA and implanted in himself would he therefore obtain the Rinnegan?
Yeah, that's about right.

He's an Uchiha, she's a Senju.

Although the success rate is still quite low. The only 100% way to obtain the Rinnegan is to naturally have both Hyuuga and Uchiha blood in you, and then implant Senju DNA.

It's a pretty involved process, but its like that for a reason. The Rinnegan is damn powerful.
 
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Yeah, that's about right.

He's an Uchiha, she's a Senju.

Although the success rate is still quite low. The only 100% way to obtain the Rinnegan is to naturally have both Hyuuga and Uchiha blood in you, and then implant Senju DNA.

It's a pretty involved process, but its like that for a reason. The Rinnegan is damn powerful.
Yeah I agree, but I didn't know they had to have both the Hyuuga and the Uchiha to obtain the Rinnegan .
Guess along the way Madara must of got some Hyuuga DNA as well.
 
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