Naruto Fanfiction Dojutsu Discussion

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Yeah, I completely agree on the Uchiha massacre thing, its going to be awesome writing that.

As for Naruto and Sasuke's skills in the first arch.

They are both overqualified to be genin. Sasuke is low chuunin, and Naruto high chuunin.

Due to Naruto's appalling chakra control he has a very small arsenal of jutsu thus far, especially since no one has figured out the whole shadow clone training hax.
To counter his crap control though, Danzo had him train in simply changing his chakra into wind chakra instantly. What this means in that in battle he can use wind ninjutsu without seals, although it lacks finesse.

Because of this weakness, Naruto has turned his attention to other means for fighting. He uses Seals, traps, stealth and kenjutsu to even the playing field. His weapon is a bento.

Sasuke on the other hand has far better chakra control, so he already has a number of fire and lightning ninjutsu under his belt, although most of them are low level. Sasuke also is greatly skilled with a tanto.

To be honest with you, during this first arch they don't learn much from Kakashi. Naruto takes up tracking from him, and Sasuke is just taught one new lightning ninjutsu.

Away from that they don't learn much since Kakashi doesn't put much effort into training them.

Okay, just let me get the general idea of what's going to happen during the first arch from event to event, and then we can start figuring out how to translate that into script form.

Could you tell me what you think of this idea which I'm using. Since Kushina didn't die, and she was the only sealmaster who was familiar with Naruto's seal, she improved it such that Naruto is running on one tails worth of kyuubi chakra.

Her end goal in doing this was to make sure that Naruto can access all of the Kyuubi's chakra without having to confront it.

Since he has one tail constantly coursing through his body, he no longer feels any negative side effects from this amount of kyuubi chakra in his body. On top of that, his speed and strength are increased to a high chuunin level which allows him to take on older opponents, although of course against an A or S rank he would still be curb stomped.
I think that what you have is great after Kakashi becomes serious about training them but for the VERY FIRST introduction I think both sasuke and Naruto are already way over powered. The character development is too rapid especially if this story is meant to be realistic (think of how long it takes to truly learn something).

These are little kids at this point, even if they are being trained by a hokage and a hokage candidate. They are still in school, learning about the basics of jitsu. There is no way that at this point naruto has insane wind jitsu and sasuke has learned 2 natures.

Heck it is much more likely that if his mom is alive then she would do everything in her power to protect her son from the fox/village, not go and intentionally put naruto/ the village in danger by having him play around with the seal to see how much can come out. In fact she would do the exact opposite use her most advance seals to keep the fox at bay(remember she has unique chakara to suppress the fox)/ have the Hokage (idk about danzo) not only check the seals daily, but to train him in managing the fox's extreme side effects.

Side note: Naruto's mom isn't the only seal master that knows about Naruto's seal. You have J-man, the 3rd hokage, and Danzo who are very knowledgeable on seals and specifically Naruto's.

In addition if you take my idea of the tailed beast abilities the fox was the raw chakara of the 10 tails. This means he has total dominance over the chakara control of the user/ has debilitating side effects if the fox's foul raw chakara is released in a major amounts... such as the chakara literally eats away the body of the jinkuri. (side note: this is why in my version that the village choose the uzumaki to be the jinkuri out of every other clan. It was because their bodies were so highly resilient to the rapid and excruciating physical augmentation)

Another side note I just thought about: To make this story even more realistic Naruto's mom might lie and tell him that he has special learning disabilities and needs the hokage's help in helping him learn jitsu (later on he finds out about the lies and the fox.... could even have the fox temporarily take over naruto's body and kill his mom in the process) LoL naruto= mentally scarred for life.....

Overall I would suggest that the very first arch he has learned F/D rank ninjitsu, B rank tiejitsu, B/C rank sealing (from mom).

Sasuke is also a child still. He has just witnessed his entire clan murdered by his brother. In till this point(cannon) he has just barely managed a single fire ninjitsu.... which in cannon received praise because he mastered it at a VERY young age. It is at this point in your story he comes to be trained with the Hokage... and I assume to possibly even to live with naruto's mom(since both of their moms were close) I would say that with the hokage/ danzo training him he should be well versed in abilities of the sharingan (no activation), C rank in sword play/ kuni abilities, C rank in 3-4 fire ninjitsu, 1 B rank fire ninjitsu and C rank in tiejitsu.

Plus this will compliment one another because Naruto can hit up close, while Sasuke can hit from mid to long range.

As for lazy Kakashi I totally agree maybe some tracking, or he could just be too into the porn to even teach them anything. (I like the second one better :D !)

Sakura 1st arch I entirely agree. She can be a dictionary.... little like Harmoney in Harry Potter... she can give Intel, since kakashi will not/very little
 
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Sorry but something just came to mind when I was thinking about how the story progresses. What do you think should be the average progression in skills for characters.

Because in Canon, at the age of 16 Naruto and Sasuke are already S-ranks, and I know for a fact that I don't want that to happen in my story.

I was thinking that for the average ninja, they reach their peak in and around 20-25, and for the more talented they reach their major plateau in and around 18-23.

I think it just seems more balanced. Any thoughts?

And also, Gaara. I don't know if you read the manga, or watched the Anime, but in the manga Gaara is psychotic. And yet somehow he manages to become sane AND respected in Suna to become Kage within 3 years.

I'm pretty sure I don't want that happening in my story, simply because it seems illogical. I've got something lined up for Gaara, but just wanted to know what your thoughts were on this before I post my ideas.
One word. Agreed.
 
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I think that what you have is great after Kakashi becomes serious about training them but for the VERY FIRST introduction I think both sasuke and Naruto are already way over powered. The character development is too rapid especially if this story is meant to be realistic (think of how long it takes to truly learn something).

These are little kids at this point, even if they are being trained by a hokage and a hokage candidate. They are still in school, learning about the basics of jitsu. There is no way that at this point naruto has insane wind jitsu and sasuke has learned 2 natures.

Heck it is much more likely that if his mom is alive then she would do everything in her power to protect her son from the fox/village, not go and intentionally put naruto/ the village in danger by having him play around with the seal to see how much can come out. In fact she would do the exact opposite use her most advance seals to keep the fox at bay(remember she has unique chakara to suppress the fox)/ have the Hokage (idk about danzo) not only check the seals daily, but to train him in managing the fox's extreme side effects.

Side note: Naruto's mom isn't the only seal master that knows about Naruto's seal. You have J-man, the 3rd hokage, and Danzo who are very knowledgeable on seals and specifically Naruto's.

In addition if you take my idea of the tailed beast abilities the fox was the raw chakara of the 10 tails. This means he has total dominance over the chakara control of the user/ has debilitating side effects if the fox's foul raw chakara is released in a major amounts... such as the chakara literally eats away the body of the jinkuri. (side note: this is why in my version that the village choose the uzumaki to be the jinkuri out of every other clan. It was because their bodies were so highly resilient to the rapid and excruciating physical augmentation)

Another side note I just thought about: Toto make this story even more realistic Naruto's mom might lie and tell him that he has special learning disabilities and needs the hokage's help in helping him learn jitsu (later on he finds out about the lies and the fox.... could even have the fox temporarily take over naruto's body and kill his mom in the process) LoL naruto= mentally scarred for life.....

Overall I would suggest that the very first arch he has learned F/D rank ninjitsu, B rank tiejitsu, B/C rank sealing (from mom).

Sasuke is also a child still. He has just witnessed his entire clan murdered by his brother. In till this point(cannon) he has just barely managed a single fire ninjitsu.... which in cannon received praise because he mastered it at a VERY young age. It is at this point in your story he comes to be trained with the Hokage... and I assume to possibly even to live with naruto's mom(since both of their moms were close) I would say that with the hokage/ danzo training him he should be well versed in abilities of the sharingan (no activation), C rank in sword play/ kuni abilities, C rank in 3-4 fire ninjitsu, 1 B rank fire ninjitsu and C rank in tiejitsu.

Plus this will compliment one another because Naruto can hit up close, while Sasuke can hit from mid to long range.

As for lazy Kakashi I totally agree maybe some tracking, or he could just be too into the porn to even teach them anything. (I like the second one better :D !

Sakura 1st arch I entirely agree. She can be a dictionary.... little like harmoney in Harry Potter
Okay, well I am going to use your suggestions for the tailed beasts, but I hadn't thought about the effect their properties would have on their jinchuuriki, nice call.

As for Naruto and Sasuke's abilities, I think I should detail how the rank system will work for jutsu and shinobi.

E - Average Genin
D - Talented Genin/Average Chuunin
C - Talented Chuunin/Special Jounin
B - Average Jounin
A - Elite Jounin
S - Complete Mastery

On this scale, Naruto and Sasuke are middle D's at the start of the story. But I think I miscommunicated when the story really begins.

Chapter 1
- Goes over the Kyuubi Attack
Chapter 2
- Skims through Naruto's childhood with his mother, and then his childhood with Sasuke up until the Uchiha Massacre
Chapter 3
- Skims through the rest of Naruto and Sasuke's life up until they graduate
Chapter 4
- Goes on at a normal pace from there

So as you can the see, the story only really begins in chapter 4, when they're already like 13, and have just graduated.

At this point they will be D ranks.

Naruto won't have any actual jutsu he can use, although he is learning to control his wind nature chakra with Danzo, so that at a later date he will have a head start for learning wind ninjutsu.

Sasuke already has one C rank fire jutsu (Grand Fireball, since its an Uchiha technique he just nicked the scroll and learnt it) and a few other D and E rank lighting jutsu.

They have both of course started on learning to utilize weapons in combat. Sasuke with a Tanto, and Naruto with a Machete like sword built for hack and slash.

Naruto has also made some headway as far as tracking, trapping, tactical planning, and sealing are concerned. His greatest of those skills is sealing, which he has a C rank certification in.

Sasuke hasn't done much but focus on his ninjutsu, and taijutsu. However his Sougujutsu(Use of Ninja Tools) is rapidly improving and already at a high D rank.

As for Naruto's seal, my thinking is that Minato didn't make it himself. The Sage was the one who gave humanity a book full of every simple seal segment possible. Humans then went about combining the segments to actually make them do something. The Uzumaki clan was the last known clan to possess the book of seals. Most other clans didn't really care that they had it since they couldn't really figure out much anyways.

At some point one of the Uzumaki created the death god seal, and died after using it. It was branded a kinjutsu, and even then it was a kinjutsu to even study, since you couldn't use it without studying its mechanics.

The Uzumaki gave Konoha some of the seals in their book, and this was one of them. Minato researched and figured out what he did by reverse engineering it after he became Hokage and gained access to the book.

Kushina helped him in his endevour to figure out the seal. But after he dies, she's the only one who knows how Minato's modified version works, and she's also the only one who knows how the original works either, although she does teach Hiruzen and Jiraiya how to use that one.

But I agree, and now I won't have her change Naruto's seal in such a manner. However Kushina is far from stupid, and she knows that Danzo will do anything to get a jinchuuriki that is at full strength, that's why when Danzo says that he will bring in his own sealmaster to tamper with the seal, Kushina then says that she will do it herself, although she does so much more tentatively.

I think that I'll say that thus far she has only managed to weaken the kyuubi's control on Naruto's chakra... that is that's what she did say BEFORE she died.

As for her death, I already had a plan for that. Part of the plan was meant to link to when Naruto runs away from the village, and the two guys who guard the village, I think their names are Izumo and Kotetsu.

The plan was to have Kushina taking Naruto to meet Jiraiya on a holiday-esque thing they often do. Hiruzen tells her to wait so that he can assign her some A ranks as bodyguards. She refuses and insists that a Jounin and a team of Chuunin.

Hiruzen agrees and gives her a high B rank Jounin and a team of three Chuunin. During their trip it turns out that one of the Chuunin informed a clan from Iwa of their travel path. They are intercepted and completely outnumbered.

Kushina knows that she and Naruto could potentially get away if the ninja stay back to buy them time, and to be honest it technically is their job. However she knows that it was her decision that brought them here, and especially the two Chuunin are two young to die like that.

So she gives Naruto to the two Chuunin, who happen to be Kotetsu and Izumo telling them to look after him, and she stays back with the Jounin and buys them time to escape. Of course she is killed, but don't worry, Jiraiya hears word of this and intercepts the clan on their way back to Iwa and retrieves her body. Lets just say that their confrontation ended with the extinction of that clan.

Either way, when Naruto tries to flee the village (about two years or three years from chapter 4), he and his other escapee/s are stopped by the two gate guards. Naruto manages to talk them out of stopping them, and they actually serve to "mistakenly" distract the pursuing ANBU.

As for Kushina lying to Naruto about the kyuubi and whatnot, I'm not so sure. Keep in mind that in my story, the Hokage does not have absolute control, and as such he is overulled, even by Clan Heads like Inoichi, Shikaku and Shibi, and they all say that for Konoha's safety, Naruto needs to be trained as a jinchuuriki.

So if his fate is already sealed in that manner, I just don't think Kushina would lie to him, it would be counter productive due to the fact that at some point Naruto is expected to train in using the kyuubi's chakra. At the same time, I could say that she doesn't come right out and tell him anyways, because you don't tell little kids stuff like that.

So what do you think?

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Sorry to edit such a long post, but I was re-reading you post and realized that you were under the impression that Kushina was alive. I've already explained that she dies above, and it stands for me to point out that she dies when Naruto is 6, and he then lives with Sasuke's family until the massacre (age 8), and he then lives with Sasuke and the other Uchiha kids (all younger than Sasuke bar one who's Sasuke's age) left alive, although he and Sasuke move out a year before they graduate.
 
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I don't know if you care too much about this kinda thing, but I wanted to just list out the ranks of some of the characters.

Keep in mind that though, that this refers to their combat effectiveness, primarily their score in regards to Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu.

For S Ranks, they only need one of those skills to be S ranked.
For A Ranks, they need one of them to be A and one other to be B.
For B Ranks, they need one of them to be B and the other to be C.

The pattern continues.

All these guys are alive. And the list is in no particular order.

S Rank

Orochimaru
Jiraiya
Tobirama Senju
Danzo Shimura
Hiruzen Sarutobi
Kenshi Hyuuga (My own creation)
Pein
Killer Bee
Darui
A (Raikage)
Yagura
4th Kazekage
Suna's Jounin Commander (Based of off Crocodile from One Piece)
Onooki (Tsuchikage)
The Blind Bandit (Iwa Missing Nin based of off Toph Bei Fong from ATLA)
Jozu (Iwa Expiremental Soldier based of off Diamond Jozu from One Piece)
Kakuzu
Hidan
Deidara
Sasori
Kisame
Itachi
Tsunade Senju
Might Guy (Maito Gai)

A Rank

Kakashi Hatake
Asuma Sarutobi (Barely)
Anko Mitarashi
Inoichi Yamanaka
Choza Akimichi

D Rank

Rock Lee
Neji Hyuuga
Tenten Hirazashi
Naruto Uzumaki
Sasuke Uchiha
Kagami Uchiha (Since in mine Sasuke isn't the last Uchiha, just the one who carries their poor reputation on his back)

E Rank

All the other Konoha 9

By the way, I was thinking of creating a character to base of off Zoro from One Piece, and he would act as Fuu (7 Tails Jinchuuriki) brother. This is largely because I just realized that their hair is exactly the same!
 
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To avoid super long post I am just taking specific points from your last post and commenting.
Tailed beast: Thank you! That's why I'm here. :x3: Yes, with all the beast there is specific and unavoidable affects that happen to the body. This gives prelude that you must have something physically special to work effectively with a tailed beast (not that you just become friends).

Details on the rank system:

Edits for my understanding:

E - Average Genin/ Knowledge about skills
D - Talented Genin/Average Chuunin/ Basic Skill set or very weak jitsu
C - Talented Chuunin/Special Jounin/ Actual jitsu
B - Average Jounin/ powerful jitsu
A - Elite Jounin/ Extreme jitsu/ minor kinjitsu
S - Complete Mastery/ Kage or above/ extreme jitsu/ major Kenjitsu
BS-Beyond Special- Unimaginable jitsu/ Fully controlled tailed beast/gods/demigods

I like where your story started. You can have flash backs later on to explain this more in depth/ to push your story further from cannon. I was not under the impression that either of them were that old. 13 makes alot more sense that they graduated and now are on their first mission with Kakashi.

At this point they will be D ranks... agreed a good place to start power wise

Naruto

Naruto won't have any actual jutsu he can use, although he is learning to control his wind nature chakra with Danzo, so that at a later date he will have a head start for learning wind ninjutsu. -awesome

Naruto has also made some headway as far as tracking, trapping, and tactical planning (minor combat)- I think this should be a basic skill that all who graduated has... otherwise what else does a shnobi do?

Sealing techniques. You can explain this more later on but what C rank sealing technique does he know and for what reason is he taught? Yes he is a jinkuri... He needs to have extensive knowledge of his seal. But probably not others... But in a combat situation there is no need for any excess. "that's why the army has unified and specific skill sets that they teach" SO Kahona needs a living nuke to balance out the power of every country. The only sealing tech. I can think of is his 5 element seal and the reaper death seal.... possibly other jinkuri seals so as to mess with the control/ completely open or close the seal.... in short what is your end goal? what do you want to do w

Naruto with a Machete- Baki "physical swords are great, but very limited but wind swords are better because they are sharper and have no range" If he is going to learn multiple wind ninjitsu's why waste time with learning a sword?

Seal history- Great!

Sasuke
Sasuke already has one C rank fire jutsu (Grand Fireball, since its an Uchiha technique he just nicked the scroll and learnt it) and a few other D and E rank lighting jutsu.- So he has knowledge but can not really use these skills in battle... like he might have like a flash bang lighting tech. then I think that is fine for his skill level. I think that sasuke should still learn true lighting techs. from Kakashi.

Sasuke hasn't done much but focus on his ninjutsu, and taijutsu. However his Sougujutsu(Use of Ninja Tools) is rapidly improving and already at a high D rank.- But he has if he already has a C rank in fire ninjitsu and a D rank lighting techs. I would say really think about what you want from this character since he is one of the few Uchia left.

He should also have limited skills in tracking, trapping, and tactical planning (minor combat). because he graduated from school.

XD I would say it is time for you to write your first draft..... EXCITED! :win: We have talked about almost everything we can and I think I understand your story. So just take these last suggestions and start writing, no need to explain to me why you choose to do what you did. I will read it and make some suggestions. Now get to work :whip:..... :hooray:
 
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Oh on this last topic you and I are on the same page when it comes to rankings.... also the seven tails arch could be fun. But lets focus on one arch at a time. -great ideas-
 
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Oh on this last topic you and I are on the same page when it comes to rankings.... also the seven tails arch could be fun. But lets focus on one arch at a time. -great ideas-
Okay, I've been pretty busy with finishing up coursework the past couple of weeks, so I've been taking my sweet sweet time writing the first chapter. Right now its at about 4,500 words, and its nearly done.

I decided to make the first chapter pretty much a speed through the events involving Naruto starting from his birth. So that's pretty much the Kyuubi Invasion, the Council meeting after that, Naruto's mothers' death, and then the Uchiha clan massacre. And then the chapter ends as they head into the academy to be assigned to their teams.

But how exactly should I give you the chapter? PM you? E-mail you? Let me know.

I'm not too proud of this chapter because due to the nature of it I think its kind of rushed and messy, but hopefully you can give me a hand with that. :)
 

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Okay, I've been pretty busy with finishing up coursework the past couple of weeks, so I've been taking my sweet sweet time writing the first chapter. Right now its at about 4,500 words, and its nearly done.

I decided to make the first chapter pretty much a speed through the events involving Naruto starting from his birth. So that's pretty much the Kyuubi Invasion, the Council meeting after that, Naruto's mothers' death, and then the Uchiha clan massacre. And then the chapter ends as they head into the academy to be assigned to their teams.

But how exactly should I give you the chapter? PM you? E-mail you? Let me know.

I'm not too proud of this chapter because due to the nature of it I think its kind of rushed and messy, but hopefully you can give me a hand with that. :)
I think we should either start a new discussion. This discussion has spiraled into something entirely different then the above posting. You can PM me a link so that I don't have to search for a new thread. Or if you prefer you can just PM me if you don't want to reveal your story. Either way I do not mind.

As for the Arch chapter why are you starting revealing almost everything? Flash backs can be useful for giving the right information w/o spelling everything out. If I were you I would save those files so you can really fine tune them and write the part where you really want to start, which is the re telling of the Zabuza cannon arch and use the flashbacks as a twist, misinformation, or filling the audience in on some important information.

In my life I am actually getting really busy. I am starting my own company and I just started getting clients. So I can still illustrate "your" manga but it will take me awhile to do well.
 
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