Naruto even without the kyubi would still be kage level
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It's when he trained Naruto to the rasen shuriken. He told him that the only reason why he created chidori, it was cuz he could not infuse his element in the rasengan. That means he had chidori before rasengan. And since we know he had chidori at 13, that means he had rasengan before 13, simple.
You high? Naruto can do rasengon with one had also. Common sense would have told you that the only reason why he pop his clone to do it majority of the time is because he is use to doing this. I take it you're not up to speed with anything from the Manga.
The first time he tried to hit kabuto. The second time he used a clone not because he couldn't do it without it, but because he was using a hand to keep kabuto still.-Also the fight with itachi.
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Here is the main reason why he doesn't use one hand.
heres a few reasons y i think he doesnt use one hand
1-its his style
2-kakashi has said that using a clone to make the rasengan was actually better cuz it spilts the work in half (in thirds for FRS)
3-Concentration naruto is the type that doesnt concentrate very well jiraiya has stated this when he drew a dot on his hand and said he is the same since he has a dot on his own hand
now i kno how the clones givs the exp and growth to naruto ya it does slow the rasengan down by creating a hand sign but its how naruto fights, with clones also he only use the one hand in fox mode cuz hes left hand couldnt be used (sasuke refer this cuz he said somethin about the price of power)
also when he uses rasengan with one hand in Sage mode against pain i think kishi was too lazy to show that he used a clone to make the rasengan since its so redunent to also it looses the dramatic effect and i think it powers the rasengan down for naruto to make it without a clone also using a clone to make rasengan and FRS also givs him clones to uses as distraction and create new strats with ie 1vs1 turns into 1vs2 or 1vs 3 even if its 2v1 turns to 2v2 also the clones will come in handy against a sharingan user sasuke and mandara in other words
now y the frogs said he surpassed the 4th and jiraiya heres y
1-naruto master the rasengan step 1 2 and 3 in a few months took the 4th 3yrs altough we dont know about jiariya it is most likely that naruto mastered it faster than he did
2-naruto took a jutsu that the 4th couldnt master ie FRS adding max shape manipulation with max element manipulation a jutsu that is beyond A rank and possibly S rank type jutsu also hes the first ones to do it because its so difficult
3-naruto can go into sage mode without having frog traits jiraiya did
4-naruto doesnt need pa or ma to gather sage chakra for him lik jiraiya needed to he used his clones
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Uchihagodzzz
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Naruto9001
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deidara senpai
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agreed though who would be a naruto hater? lol i mean you dont need to have him as one of your favorites but if you dont like the kid you might as well stop watching/reading and log off this site and never comeback
unless they love sasuke though
unless they love sasuke though
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This is hilarious watching you noobs discuss a topic as stupid as this lol. The fact of the matter is you're all arguing about how strong naruto would be without all his skills.
Let me spell it out for your slow processing, prepubescent brains.
The series is called Naruto, it is about a boy who had a 9 tailed demon fox sealed inside him, and he had to learn to deal with it in order to make it to his goal of being hokage.
The End.
All of these posts, like those from "The Crimson Trickster" (whom apparently thinks he/she/heshe is some kind of naruto god that dictates how the series should be interpreted, as shes always bashing threads like this.) are just plain stupid. Use your heads, the series is about naruto growing up and becoming the leader of his village, as well as the development of the character on his journey. These imaginary scenarios and arguments have to stop. At first I thought it was funny to read how all these little kids like to discuss these matters but the line should be between fact and fiction.
Fact: Naruto is the strongest character in the series (he is the main character you twits)
Fiction: Your misconceived notions about how strong naruto is with or without his unique abilities matter.
This is a story written by someone and should be read that way. If you wanna go play imaginary power rangers in your back yard, that is fine. BUT PLEASE, please, please, do not corrupt the next generations ability to accurately analyze this work for what you believe it to be. Again its a story meant to be read and appreciated, not falsely deciphered and expanded.
I'd Recommend taking/retaking an English course or two as you are lacking in the literary analysis department and come across as being ill-informed on the facts, or rather, the ability to distinguish reality from fantasy.
Have a Super nice day!
Let me spell it out for your slow processing, prepubescent brains.
The series is called Naruto, it is about a boy who had a 9 tailed demon fox sealed inside him, and he had to learn to deal with it in order to make it to his goal of being hokage.
The End.
All of these posts, like those from "The Crimson Trickster" (whom apparently thinks he/she/heshe is some kind of naruto god that dictates how the series should be interpreted, as shes always bashing threads like this.) are just plain stupid. Use your heads, the series is about naruto growing up and becoming the leader of his village, as well as the development of the character on his journey. These imaginary scenarios and arguments have to stop. At first I thought it was funny to read how all these little kids like to discuss these matters but the line should be between fact and fiction.
Fact: Naruto is the strongest character in the series (he is the main character you twits)
Fiction: Your misconceived notions about how strong naruto is with or without his unique abilities matter.
This is a story written by someone and should be read that way. If you wanna go play imaginary power rangers in your back yard, that is fine. BUT PLEASE, please, please, do not corrupt the next generations ability to accurately analyze this work for what you believe it to be. Again its a story meant to be read and appreciated, not falsely deciphered and expanded.
I'd Recommend taking/retaking an English course or two as you are lacking in the literary analysis department and come across as being ill-informed on the facts, or rather, the ability to distinguish reality from fantasy.
Have a Super nice day!
I wholeheartedly agree with this. With SM alone, he's still the most powerful ninja in Konoha. Easily Kage level.
And no need to bash someone's skill in English.
Do you have an issue with people debating about Naruto, on a Naruto forum? Why are you getting so butthurt over this thread?
And no need to bash someone's skill in English.
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I agree with you cause naruto was the first one to perfect the sennin mode !! so yes he is kage level plus uzumaki genes
Bijuu mode naruto
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Okay, I'm putting an end to this discussion.
Naruto, as an uzumaki, has an abnormal amount of stamina, which means an abnormal amount of chakra, this is not due to the fox and it is because of this that he is able to have the fox inside him. Now he still isn't on Kisame's level on pure chakra levels but he does have shit ton, about twice as much as kakashi who is average on chakra level. Because the size of the kyuubi and the seal used to contain it, Naruto must constantly suppress the kyuubi's chakra with his own by having the kyuubi's mix with his in small amounts, this also messes with his chakra control so he wastes alot of the chakra he has because of poor control.
Naruto learned the Tajuu Kage Bunshin from pure hard work no fox chakra except the tiny bit that leaked out constantly which only served to make it more difficult for him to control his own chakra. He created a thousand clones with his chakra only, the first time he used fox chakra was in his fight with haku, who btw wouldn't have killed him, only incapacitated him like he did Sasuke.
Minato didn't create the rasengan from nothing, he based it off the bijuu bomb, as stated by B when he saw Naruto trying the rasengan in KM. It also didn't Naruto months to learn the rasengan, at most it took two to three weeks, more likely two. Jiraiya was surprised by Naruto's progress, it only took him a few days on the each of the first two steps then a few more days after he started the third step to when he made the bet with Tsunade. That was pure naruto, if he used the kyuubi's chakra at all then he used it only to continue training, which I doubt since he still hadn't perfected using kurama's chakra at will.
The rasenshurikin, while he was training to create it he was not using the kyuubi's chakra, we know this because Yamato was suppressing it as a precaution to help prevent the kyuubi from blasting out. Now it is true, when he faced Kakuzu he did use the fox's chakra, but that was only because he was just out himself because he had been training for several days straight only breaking to eat, sleep and hear an explanation or two.
Naruto had no need of the kyuubi's chakra to learn SM, he only used two clones so it was Naruto only, no kyuubi. Now SM has to count for his abilities because its just another jutsu essentially, which he mastered, something not even Jiraiya could do.
Now, if Naruto didn't have Kurama, given his current abilities, he could hold SM longer since he can summon ma and pa, and with SM he can use his sensory abilities to compete with most other Nin, A would still be a problem with his speed but A is the fastest in the world so that is understandable. If he fought Tsunade he could easily dodge her attacks, summon his frogs to counter Katsuya, and a rasenshuriken can easily take out Tsunade in one hit, or it would at least take her down quite a bit if she was using her current healing tech (can't remember the name). Gaara isn't quite fast enough against Naruto SM but he does have long range, which would give him some trouble since only his FRS is medium to long range. Now Gaara would prove to be a problem but with his frog summons he could possibly overcome Gaara's shields. Mei would also prove to be a problem with her kekkei genkai, magma release, but with some ingenuity Naruto may be able to overcome it, probably throwing a bunch of kage bunshins at her till he finds a way through it. Oonoki also would be a problem, not sure if he could win, Dust release would be a bitch if he got hit by it.
In short
Tajuu Kage Bunshin = Naruto Only, Mastered
Huge Stamina = Naruto Only
No Kyuubi = Better chakra control and a little more chakra as well
Rasengan = Naruto Only, Mastered
Rasenshuriken = Naruto Only (large drain though), stronger with SM, mastered
Sage Mode = Mastered, higher strength and speed, longer attack range, more powerful jutsu overall, one of the best sensory abilities in the Narutoverse.
Naruto is strong enough to take on any of the Kages and hold his own, no one can deny that, stop hating on Naruto, he is a super hard worker, and is definately kage level, now thats not saying he can beat all of them. He can beat alot of them, only Tsunade of the hokages but the hokages are usually some of the strongest kages anyway.
Now to wait for the flame.
Naruto, as an uzumaki, has an abnormal amount of stamina, which means an abnormal amount of chakra, this is not due to the fox and it is because of this that he is able to have the fox inside him. Now he still isn't on Kisame's level on pure chakra levels but he does have shit ton, about twice as much as kakashi who is average on chakra level. Because the size of the kyuubi and the seal used to contain it, Naruto must constantly suppress the kyuubi's chakra with his own by having the kyuubi's mix with his in small amounts, this also messes with his chakra control so he wastes alot of the chakra he has because of poor control.
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Naruto learned the Tajuu Kage Bunshin from pure hard work no fox chakra except the tiny bit that leaked out constantly which only served to make it more difficult for him to control his own chakra. He created a thousand clones with his chakra only, the first time he used fox chakra was in his fight with haku, who btw wouldn't have killed him, only incapacitated him like he did Sasuke.
Minato didn't create the rasengan from nothing, he based it off the bijuu bomb, as stated by B when he saw Naruto trying the rasengan in KM. It also didn't Naruto months to learn the rasengan, at most it took two to three weeks, more likely two. Jiraiya was surprised by Naruto's progress, it only took him a few days on the each of the first two steps then a few more days after he started the third step to when he made the bet with Tsunade. That was pure naruto, if he used the kyuubi's chakra at all then he used it only to continue training, which I doubt since he still hadn't perfected using kurama's chakra at will.
The rasenshurikin, while he was training to create it he was not using the kyuubi's chakra, we know this because Yamato was suppressing it as a precaution to help prevent the kyuubi from blasting out. Now it is true, when he faced Kakuzu he did use the fox's chakra, but that was only because he was just out himself because he had been training for several days straight only breaking to eat, sleep and hear an explanation or two.
Naruto had no need of the kyuubi's chakra to learn SM, he only used two clones so it was Naruto only, no kyuubi. Now SM has to count for his abilities because its just another jutsu essentially, which he mastered, something not even Jiraiya could do.
Now, if Naruto didn't have Kurama, given his current abilities, he could hold SM longer since he can summon ma and pa, and with SM he can use his sensory abilities to compete with most other Nin, A would still be a problem with his speed but A is the fastest in the world so that is understandable. If he fought Tsunade he could easily dodge her attacks, summon his frogs to counter Katsuya, and a rasenshuriken can easily take out Tsunade in one hit, or it would at least take her down quite a bit if she was using her current healing tech (can't remember the name). Gaara isn't quite fast enough against Naruto SM but he does have long range, which would give him some trouble since only his FRS is medium to long range. Now Gaara would prove to be a problem but with his frog summons he could possibly overcome Gaara's shields. Mei would also prove to be a problem with her kekkei genkai, magma release, but with some ingenuity Naruto may be able to overcome it, probably throwing a bunch of kage bunshins at her till he finds a way through it. Oonoki also would be a problem, not sure if he could win, Dust release would be a bitch if he got hit by it.
In short
Tajuu Kage Bunshin = Naruto Only, Mastered
Huge Stamina = Naruto Only
No Kyuubi = Better chakra control and a little more chakra as well
Rasengan = Naruto Only, Mastered
Rasenshuriken = Naruto Only (large drain though), stronger with SM, mastered
Sage Mode = Mastered, higher strength and speed, longer attack range, more powerful jutsu overall, one of the best sensory abilities in the Narutoverse.
Naruto is strong enough to take on any of the Kages and hold his own, no one can deny that, stop hating on Naruto, he is a super hard worker, and is definately kage level, now thats not saying he can beat all of them. He can beat alot of them, only Tsunade of the hokages but the hokages are usually some of the strongest kages anyway.
Now to wait for the flame.
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