Naruto did earn his power.

[Punk Hazard]

other ninjas got through situations and have to live with it, he was foolish itachi had his for years and didnt go blind as fast as he did.

Your point is?

 

[ldrill28]

There is no need for a complicated back and forth argument about this, I wrote this back in a September post.

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"Use of Gained Birthright Weapons:

Naruto:

No matter how you look at it Kurama is a weapon Naruto has gained mastery over, it is the same as a summoning for him at this point, and is a summoning/weapon only he can use. Since conception and birth he has been constantly exposed to Kurama's chakra, making him the only one capable of utilizing him to full potential. Naruto's powerful chakra and life force help him resist the harsh effects of using Kurama's chakra. Minato is only able to use it due to his edo body otherwise it would just be too much for him. Naruto has tamed the Bijuu, and has gained mastery/formed a bond with the most powerful one, and now is in possession of his birthright weapon.

Sasuke:

The first weapon Sasuke was given was the curse mark, this was not a birthright weapon just one he was given, also the abilities given to him when he absorbed Orochimaru were not birthright. Though not his own power, his mastery over these spoils should be noted.

His gained birthright weapon is/are Itachi's eyes, just like Kurama for Naruto it is a weapon only Sasuke can use. By implanting Itachi's eyes into himself Sasuke gained the EMS, if anyone else did this they would just gain Itachi's regular sharingan which would be near useless. With EMS, Sasuke is elevated to incredible levels of power and without Itachi's eyes he would be blind or on to another sharingan/someone else's eyes rendering him useless/weak."

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The only thing I would change is that without Itachi's eyes Sasuke would be rendered weaker, but not useless. If he obtained another pair of Sharingan he would still be superior to the vast majority of shinobi. Naruto was born with the ability to gain mastery over Kurama no one else in history could/can, and Sasuke was born with the ability to awaken EMS should he go through the correct process. They were blessed with amazing potential, and anything born from that potential is obviously their power. Naruto has successfully subjugated Kurama along with the other Biju and Sasuke has awakened EMS, both beginning to scratch the surface of their near inconceivable power.

Arguing this point for any extended period of time is a fruitless venture, anyone denying any aspect of it has an ulterior motive or lacks an even surface level comprehension of the manga.

 

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Your point is?

it isnt earning that power.

 

[Naijakid]

Sasuke fans always have a thing against Naruto

 

[rollin]

Many other people can't be kuramas jinchuuriki so far only uzumakis and that's because of their strong life-force which came from the younger son

 

[FemmeFatale]

Yeah not only did he have a body strong enought to maintain that power, something he surpassed his father in, he also was able to find a way to utilize it to it full potential, well half of it anyway

 

[Seventh Sama]

Even some people are starting to claim that sage mode is a "borrowed power" :|

OT, Thanks for cleaning this up =D

 

[take it easy]

Many other people can't be kuramas jinchuuriki so far only uzumakis and that's because of their strong life-force which came from the younger son

special chakra, not lifeforce

 

[AGoodBoy]

My god, another thread about a giant rat in naruto's belly being his own power, then trying to equate it to sasuke. Do you guys not get tired of this? Wow. No, A giant sentient being inside your stomach with it's own conscience and chakra levels isn't you or yours. If the were the case, naruto would never 'run out of chakra' and have to ask kurama for some. I'm not even going to bother posting something long because naruto fanboys are just too delusional. They're beyond reason at this point. :vincent:

Even some people are starting to claim that sage mode is a "borrowed power"

OT, Thanks for cleaning this up

It is. :vincent:

What do you think you're doing when you 'collect nature energy'? Making up new power for yourself? Obviously you're borrowing energy from nature :vincent: It's so stupid that this is the arguments now. Like, wow, Because naruto has a bunch of power he collects from external forces, 10000000000 threads need to be created to try sway people who understand the meaning of simply words like ownership and borrowing.

 

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My god, another thread about a giant rat in naruto's belly being his own power, then trying to equate it to sasuke. Do you guys not get tired of this? Wow. No, A giant sentient being inside your stomach with it's own conscience and chakra levels isn't you or yours. If the were the case, naruto would never 'run out of chakra' and have to ask kurama for some. I'm not even going to bother posting something long because naruto fanboys are just too delusional. They're beyond reason at this point. :vincent:


It is. :vincent:

What do you think you're doing when you 'collect nature energy'? Making up new power for yourself? Obviously you're borrowing energy from nature :vincent: It's so stupid that this is the arguments now. Like, wow, Because naruto has a bunch of power he collects from external forces, 10000000000 threads need to be created to try sway people who understand the meaning of simply words like ownership and borrowing.

lol so now a jutsu you learn is borrowed power? dude does your bs ever end? so kirin is a borrowed power then? its does uses chakra or energy from the body it"harness" Natural lightning. see how your garbage logic sound now? be as butthurt as you want sasuke is only seeing because of a external power source get that through you skull when you want to bring up borrowed power.

 

[Seventh Sama]

My god, another thread about a giant rat in naruto's belly being his own power, then trying to equate it to sasuke. Do you guys not get tired of this? Wow. No, A giant sentient being inside your stomach with it's own conscience and chakra levels isn't you or yours. If the were the case, naruto would never 'run out of chakra' and have to ask kurama for some. I'm not even going to bother posting something long because naruto fanboys are just too delusional. They're beyond reason at this point. :vincent:


It is. :vincent:

What do you think you're doing when you 'collect nature energy'? Making up new power for yourself? Obviously you're borrowing energy from nature :vincent: It's so stupid that this is the arguments now. Like, wow, Because naruto has a bunch of power he collects from external forces, 10000000000 threads need to be created to try sway people who understand the meaning of simply words like ownership and borrowing.

Lel, Avoid theses types of threads then. Since we naruto fans are too "delusional"

 

[xxSAGExx]

I just saw another thread where people were constantly saying that Naruto did not earn his power or that it is not his. To this I must say:

1. Even if many other people could be Kurama's jinchuuriki, that doesn't mean that they could beat him in a fight and take his chakara. Therefore Naruto earned KCM. He actually won it.

2. Do you really think everyone could successfully befriend Kurama? I don't think so. That is a bond that Naruto worked to forge. He earned it through his sheer kindness and perseverance. Therefore, he earned BM. This means that it is his power.

3. You do remember that not everyone can even be a jinchuuriki in the first place? Your body has to be compatible and be able to handle the beast.

4 This one is big: Many of you people constantly just glorify Hiruzen. What have we really seen from him though? The answer: Fire style, Enma, mud wall, Enma, shuriken jutsus, Enma, reaper death seal, Enma, pure hype and Enma. Did I forget to mention Enma? Enma is the main thing that we have seen Hiruzen use this entire series, but people praise him to no end! Enma is clearly another whole life form, but that doesn't seem to stop the Hiruzen fans. You prime Hiruzen fans may say something like "he knew all jutsu in Konoha". Yet, for some ridiculous reason he chose to throw mere shuriken at 10 tails Obito (a battle where his age didn't matter since he was an edo with infinite chakara). "He has neutralizer jutsu", says the Hiruzen fan. Tell me then, why he didn't negate any of the tailed beast bombs (from the one that Minato warped to the quadruple bijuudamas), or Obito's Onmyodon. The fact of the matter is: The third coffin didn't come up because Minato's soul wasn't in the pure world. This is manga validated by Kabuto, whereas your "neutralizer jutsu" has no manga validation. Show me a databook page that talks about this "neutralizer jutsu". I am getting off topic. The point is: It's hypocritical to bash Naruto and say that he did not earn his power, but give Hiruzen all of this credit.

5. Some people say stuff like "It took Jirayia years to be able to use sage mode and Naruto mastered it in a day". To that I say: People learn things at different rates. Just because one person is slow doesn't mean the other is.

6. Some of you argue that Naruto was not born with Kurama. This may be true, but he still earned his modes via the methods that I mentioned in the first few points. As I said before, not everyone can gain these modes even if they are Kurama's jinchuuriki. Do you think Kiba could get these modes if he were Kurama's jinchuuriki. I don't think so. As far as we know, Kushina and Mito did not have these modes. Therefore Naruto did earn these. Excuse him if he wasn't born with the ability to awaken super eyes! Think of it like money: If you just happen to be born with the ability to grow money under your arm pits, that's great. That doesn't mean that the money that random Joe (who does not have this ability) earns is not his!

7. Did any Sasuke fans think about the fact that Sasuke's sharingan (I am not even talking about EMS) was a "free power up" by you guys' logic. Sasuke technically awakened it during the Uchiha massacre. He just fainted and didn't remember it until much later. Anyway, he did not awaken it during training. He just felt the pain of Itachi killing the clan. If you think about it, all sharingan awakenings up until EMS and rinnegan are technically free power ups so to speak. This is because you just need to lose love and feel enough pain to awaken them. This is verified by Tobirama. Despite this, I don't see anybody criticising the sharingan as unearned power. Lets not even get started with byakugan.

Conclusion: Naruto could not help that he was given Kurama, but the modes he got were due to his actions. He also trained to get sage mode. Discuss.

Agreed, Also for SM it was more of a week or 2 with the use of 3 clones making it 3x as much training so was 3 weeks-6 weeks of training. Jiraiya wen back and forth from Konoha to Toad mountain in between missions and training with Hiruzen. The Sharingan is a tool like Kurama, but it's much easier to learn how to use the sharingan than it is to use Kurama's power, Sasuke was using it fine against Haku and Haku even said Sasuke would jst get better as the fight carries on. Naruto trained with Jiraiya for 2 1/2 years and only was able to control up to 3 tails version 1 cloak mode.

You just had to bring Sasuke into. OK, no, Sharingan is NOT a free power-up. You know why? Because you suffer for it. You have to go through a large amount of stress, and for MS, despair. I know this thread is about Naruto, but I needed to say this. If Kurama doesn't count as a free power-up because of what Naruto personally went through to use his power and because of non-training aspects, then Sharingan isn't a free power-up either because of the stress and despair.

He didn't single out Sasuke, he compared Hiruzen and the Byakugan as well. All ninjas suffer one way or another but didn't gain a power up from it. Kimmimaru's clan was wiped out, So was Juugo's, Gaara had a sad and hard life, Naruto as well, Iruka lose his parents as a kid, Kabuto had a hard life, Hinata, Lee, Neji. They all either lost someone, was hated, picked on, was all alone, never new their parents, ignored and belittled by parents, ect... Jiraiya 2 1/2 years of training was revolve around Naruto learning to control Kurama's power and only got up to version 1 3 tails cloak mode. Living a life as a ninja increasing your power isn't in the same category as Kurama, it isn't a free power up either, it's a tool that you still have to learn to use but is far much easier to learn to use than Kurama.

I don't care if he "earned" it or not, Naruto has never fought a 1v1 fight, as he has the most powerful chakra monster inside him, protecting him, and that's exactly the fact people dispute by justifying it saying naruto earned the right.

Kurama didn't really protect Naruto, he was pushing Naruto into using his chakra to weaken the seal, this is why when Naruto was starting to no use his power and was going to fuse with Pa toad he pushed Pa toad off. Kurama could have just let Naruto died and be revived some time later but the wait time for his revive is unknown so making Naruto weaken the seal was more than likely the better choice.

Kurama is a mass of living chakra, chakra non the less, that Naruto can use. We don't call Kiba's clan use of dogs not their power because to the ninjas it's viewed as their power and that's why Kiba could use his dog in the Chunin exams. Same as for Shino's bugs. Learning to control that power is another thing all together.

Since when was talking to his dead mother and trapping a Fox inside a box, called "earning" power.

Was all he did was talk to his mom and trap Kurama in a box? No, he fought Kurama and was taking his chakra, all his mom did was stop Kurama long enough to talk to he son an filled him with Love which is what allowed him to overpower Kurama's hatred in his chakra. From there Naruto continued to fight Kurama and won then sealed him back in his cage. The threat of being consumed my Kurama was still there throughout the fight. Naruto putting in the work to gain that power is him earning it, he even had to train to learn how to use that power and left to fight in the war before his training was done.

Nope. Just his dad for a demon helper.

Did putting Kurama in Naruto automatically give him all the power? No, He had to train and learn to access that power (Jiraiya pushing him off a cliff then the 2 1/2 years of training to get control of 3tail cloak mode, then going thru steps to take that power then training with Bee to learn to use that power but never completed his training before going into the war). Sharingan was easier to learn how to use than Kurama's power.

He trained for 3 years to fight his brother and kill him. He himself accomplished that.

Naruto was butthurt on how powerful Sasuke became and decided to take a shortcut aka Nine-Tails power.

It was said Oro pumped Sasuke with forbidden jutsus or drugs to make him stronger much faster as well, this was said by Tsunade by Sakura

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. Naruto with MS was strong enough to beat MS Sasuke, he only said he needed Kurama's power because he read Sasuke's mind when they clashed and knew Sasuke would get more power to fight him.

Because he had to go through a lot of shit for the situation where he got EMS. It's called a trade-off.

Sasuke went thru what others did but they didn't get power ups like that, Juugo, Haku, Kimmimaru al had their clan destroyed as young ages and other ninjas lost their families, was lonely, sad, bullied, hated as well. Kishi saying that the Uchihas get stronger the more hatred they have was just suiting the fact that that's what happens to ninjas. All ninjas lose close ones and fell hate but not letting it control them is the differences. Uchihas were said to love like no other yet why is love not how their sharingan get stronger?

Your point is?

Point is other ninjas all went thru similar things as Sasuke yet didn't get power up from it, not saying the Sharingan is a free power up, only the EMS and Rinnegan would be consider as such but it's not on the same level as needing to learn to control and use Kurama's chakralet alone earn his trust and partnership.