naruto(current) Vs gai (8 gates)

[Bellion]

Are you talking about the same Gai that Naruto just gave life too?

 

[Bogard]

Naruto blitz him

 

[Haizaki]

Naruto blitz him

Lool bogard calm down..he won't blitz but he wins

 

[Bogard]

Lool bogard calm down..he won't blitz but he wins

8gated Gai is physically as fast as Jubidara who almost got blitzed by base Naruto

 

[Unorthodox]

8gated Gai is physically as fast as Jubidara who almost got blitzed by base Naruto

gai was clearly faster than madara however naruto was able to keep up with shinju absrobed madz so......

 

[Bogard]

gai was clearly faster than madara however naruto was able to keep up with shinju absrobed madz so......

No he wasn't. You make the same mistake as so many readers here.

1- Not even once [

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](bottom left panel), even when immobilised [

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2- Gai circled around him for a reason [

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]. It was to find openings. He knew he couldn't blitz him otherwise and he was right since Madara easily countered his first punch [

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] and his punches move faster than him. Notice he prefered use long range punches rather than close the distance [

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] After blocked the first punch with majority of his truth seeking balls, Madara was handicaped in blocking the second one and Gai took that opportunity to combo him

Later on, you can even notice that they fought on par off-panel dealing mutual damages to each other [

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]. This Madara lacked all of his truth seeking balls besides the staff yet look how damaged 8gated Gai was. Noticing it wasn't enough, he decided to use the night moth where he overwhelmed Madara in sheer speed, but before that, they were operating in the same gear of speed

 

[Made in Heaven]

Um.... I think Naruto. But Gai has a good chance to win

 

[Touken]

No he wasn't. You make the same mistake as so many readers here.

1- Not even once [

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](bottom left panel), even when immobilised [

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2- Gai circled around him for a reason [

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]. It was to find openings. He knew he couldn't blitz him otherwise and he was right since Madara easily countered his first punch [

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] and his punches move faster than him. Notice he prefered use long range punches rather than close the distance [

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] After blocked the first punch with majority of his truth seeking balls, Madara was handicaped in blocking the second one and Gai took that opportunity to combo him

Later on, you can even notice that they fought on par off-panel dealing mutual damages to each other [

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]. This Madara lacked all of his truth seeking balls besides the staff yet look how damaged 8gated Gai was. Noticing it wasn't enough, he decided to use the night moth where he overwhelmed Madara in sheer speed, but before that, they were operating in the same gear of speed

Madara had no difficulties following his speed? Haven't a clue where you got that from. From Steps 2-4, Madara was getting blitzed [

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]. First page of the chapter, Madara got blitzed [

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]. How on Earth was he handicapped against Gai's 2nd-4th Steps? If he was reacting to those Steps, he would have formed more shields. Did he? No. Inference? He was getting blitzed. Conclusion? Madara couldn't keep up with 8G Gai's speed.

Just want to clear things up, do you believe Madara's Truth-Seeker Orbs move faster than 8G Gai? Because that's exactly what was happening in Gai's 5th Step [

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] (middle panel, circled it in black):

-Gai advances towards Madara first.

-Madara then sends his Truth-Seeker Orbs towards Gai, yet those Orbs cover more distance than Gai does, despite the fact that Gai moved first.

-Conclusion? Madara's Truth-Seeker Orbs travel faster than Gai. That's what you're saying, when clearly 8G Gai's speed is far, far beyond those Truth-Seeker Orbs, considering Kakashi was able to throw Minato's kunai at around the same speed as Madara's Orbs [

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]. Are you then implying Kakashi can throw kunai faster than 8G Gai can travel? Man, this argument can't be serious.

It is so clear that Gai wasn't travelling at full speed in his 5th Step. If you're going to refer to Lee's statement about EE shifting up speeds from 1-5, lemme state that he's not talking about movement speed, considering Sekizo has nothing to do with movement speed anyway. It's all about the strikes. Gai's movement speed grants him pseudo-flight mode, you can't be serious if you're saying Truth-Seeker Orbs travel faster than him.

8G Gai was severely damaged because of the 8G, not because of Madara's attacks. If Madara hit him once with either his fists or his staff, Gai would be dead. 8G doesn't grant him stronger durability, just stronger attacks and quicker movement/striking speeds. He resorted to Night Gai because Sekizo was barely dealing any damage and Gai was running out of time, it had nothing to do with Madara keeping up with Gai, especially since he wasn't keeping up with him at all.

Please don't state Gai wasn't faster than Madara since manga says otherwise.

 

[Bogard]

Madara had no difficulties following his speed? Haven't a clue where you got that from. From Steps 2-4, Madara was getting blitzed [

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]. First page of the chapter, Madara got blitzed [

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]. How on Earth was he handicapped against Gai's 2nd-4th Steps? If he was reacting to those Steps, he would have formed more shields. Did he? No. Inference? He was getting blitzed. Conclusion? Madara couldn't keep up with 8G Gai's speed.

We already went through this and you already know my opinion about it, so i'll just repeat what i already said.

Once again, Madara wasn't getting blitzed by Gai's physical speed, but by Gai's attack(punch) speed. Know the difference.

His punch travel faster than him(much faster), and it only happened because one connected. The moment one connected, he was already in a bad position enough to try and counter the following attacks

Just want to clear things up, do you believe Madara's Truth-Seeker Orbs move faster than 8G Gai?

Yes i believe so

Because that's exactly what was happening in Gai's 5th Step [

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] (middle panel, circled it in black):

-Gai advances towards Madara first.

-Madara then sends his Truth-Seeker Orbs towards Gai, yet those Orbs cover more distance than Gai does, despite the fact that Gai moved first.

-Conclusion? Madara's Truth-Seeker Orbs travel faster than Gai.

Obviously. What else do you think it would prove then?

That's what you're saying, when clearly 8G Gai's speed is far, far beyond those Truth-Seeker Orbs, considering Kakashi was able to throw Minato's kunai at around the same speed as Madara's Orbs [

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]. Are you then implying Kakashi can throw kunai faster than 8G Gai can travel? Man, this argument can't be serious.

Sadly it's what i think indeed

It is so clear that Gai wasn't travelling at full speed in his 5th Step. If you're going to refer to Lee's statement about EE shifting up speeds from 1-5, lemme state that he's not talking about movement speed, considering Sekizo has nothing to do with movement speed anyway. It's all about the strikes. Gai's movement speed grants him pseudo-flight mode, you can't be serious if you're saying Truth-Seeker Orbs travel faster than him.

You say it yourself, the striking speed is faster than Gai's movement speed. It's exactly what i'm saying

8G Gai was severely damaged because of the 8G, not because of Madara's attacks. If Madara hit him once with either his fists or his staff, Gai would be dead. 8G doesn't grant him stronger durability, just stronger attacks and quicker movement/striking speeds. He resorted to Night Gai because Sekizo was barely dealing any damage and Gai was running out of time, it had nothing to do with Madara keeping up with Gai, especially since he wasn't keeping up with him at all.

So 8G was so damaging himself to the point of creating holes on his clothing, losing his jacket during the battle?

Please don't state Gai wasn't faster than Madara since manga says otherwise.

Manga doesn't say anything like that. You're just misinterpretating the chain of events

 

[Misconception]

Naruto stomps... Gai wouldn't have landed a good blow on Madara if it wasen't for Minato,Kakashi,Gaara,.Rock lee... They won't be here to protect him from truth seeking orbs... Also ill put of a debate on why current Naruto is more durable than Juubi Madara...

 

[Bogard]

Naruto stomps... Gai wouldn't have landed a good blow on Madara if it wasen't for Minato,Kakashi,Gaara,.Rock lee... They won't be here to protect him from truth seeking orbs... Also ill put of a debate on why current Naruto is more durable than Juubi Madara...

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[apsri]

Who lives...?

Naruto wins laughable diff.

 

[Touken]

We already went through this and you already know my opinion about it, so i'll just repeat what i already said.

Once again, Madara wasn't getting blitzed by Gai's physical speed, but by Gai's attack(punch) speed. Know the difference.

His punch travel faster than him(much faster), and it only happened because one connected. The moment one connected, he was already in a bad position enough to try and counter the following attacks

lol, trust me, I know the difference between striking speed and movement speed.

He can't use Sekizo from any distance he wants. He has to cover distance first. Your reasoning implies that Sekizo has infinite range which obviously isn't the case. He blitzed Madara with both movement speed and striking speed. There's distance between Madara and Gai when Gai opened 8G, and Gai covers that distance quick enough to blitz Madara [

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] hence the '!!?'. Has he used his striking speed in that scan? Hell no.

Yes i believe so

Obviously. What else do you think it would prove then?

Sadly it's what i think indeed

You say it yourself, the striking speed is faster than Gai's movement speed. It's exactly what i'm saying

So 8G was so damaging himself to the point of creating holes on his clothing, losing his jacket during the battle?

Manga doesn't say anything like that. You're just misinterpretating the chain of events

Where the heck did I say his striking speed is faster than his movement speed? I said Sekizo has nothing to do with movement speed. That doesn't remotely imply I'm saying his striking speed is faster, you're badly misinterpreting what I'm saying. 8G Gai was going at super-sonic speeds, I'd be pretty damn impressed by the quality of the clothes in Naruto if there was no tearing in it. Once he used his fastest attack, the clothes covering his upper body completely tore off [

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I've already shown you before that 6G Gai's movement speed is just as fast as his striking speed, considering Kisame couldn't perceive Gai's movement speed [

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] (top panel) yet he could form a few thoughts when he used his striking speed [

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lmao, there's no chain of events to even misinterpret. If you wanna stick with your opinion that Kakashi throws his kunai faster than 8G Gai's movement speed then don't bother replying to this post.

 

[Bogard]

lol, trust me, I know the difference between striking speed and movement speed.

Nice to know Lol

He can't use Sekizo from any distance he wants. He has to cover distance first.[/B] Your reasoning implies that Sekizo has infinite range which obviously isn't the case.

Maybe not infinite but enough to classify it as a long range attack. I mean, the attack range was so great that even after touching the ground situated around 50meters under, it created another 100 meters(actually more than that) deep crater. That was the range and attack power of the attack

He blitzed Madara with both movement speed and striking speed. There's distance between Madara and Gai when Gai opened 8G, and Gai covers that distance quick enough to blitz Madara [

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] hence the '!!?'. Has he used his striking speed in that scan? Hell no.

Getting blitzed = Hit someone without him capable to react. There was no blitz here. He was just surprised by Gai's sudden speed/approach, just like Itachi here [

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] but he still dodged it [

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The question mark isn't written to describe a blitz but to show concern about some event happening infront of you out of surprise for one or other reason, but you could notice on the following event, Madara did block him [

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]. He was only pushed back because of the power of the punch

Where the heck did I say his striking speed is faster than his movement speed? I said Sekizo has nothing to do with movement speed. That doesn't remotely imply I'm saying his striking speed is faster, you're badly misinterpreting what I'm saying. 8G Gai was going at super-sonic speeds, I'd be pretty damn impressed by the quality of the clothes in Naruto if there was no tearing in it. Once he used his fastest attack, the clothes covering his upper body completely tore off [

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Well if you didn't imply so(what i thought), my bad. Either way it's what i'm trying to explain to you. And the best example i could give you is Sasuke inside his Susanoo when he was trying to stop Obito [

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]. Neither him or his Susanoo were physically capable to reach Obito, but his arrows(attack speed) were. It's the same thing with Gai and his punches, Madara and his orbs, and so on. So basically, Gai can't physically reach a distance as fast as his punches, the same way Sasuke can't physically reach a distance as fast as his arrows

I've already shown you before that 6G Gai's movement speed is just as fast as his striking speed, considering Kisame couldn't perceive Gai's movement speed [

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] (top panel) yet he could form a few thoughts when he used his striking speed [

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Look above. It was more an astonishment due to Gai's sudden boost in speed rather than an inability to react there for Kisame

lmao, there's no chain of events to even misinterpret. If you wanna stick with your opinion that Kakashi throws his kunai faster than 8G Gai's movement speed then don't bother replying to this post.

Kunai throwing is one of the fastest moves in the manga. Kakashi being capable to throw a kunai at a distance faster than Gai can physically reach won't be surprising. Doesn't mean however that Kakashi is faster than Gai(just like Sasuke and his arrows)

 

[Apêx1]

Kunai throwing is one of the fastest moves in the manga. Kakashi being capable to throw a kunai at a distance faster than Gai can physically reach won't be surprising. Doesn't mean however that Kakashi is faster than Gai(just like Sasuke and his arrows)

lel that means every person who has ever reacted to kunai's can react to 8th gate Gai. DatMadara.

 

[Bogard]

lel that means every person who has ever reacted to kunai's can react to 8th gate Gai. DatMadara.

Half dead Obito reacted to(blocked) Jubidara's orbs at point blank range

 

[shelke]

Madara blocked base Naruto's blitz. I have no idea which Manga people are reading. Even at this level, despite using the distraction, Naruto still failed to land a hit on Madara who used the Limbo just in time to block him. With current feats, Naruto loses.

 

[Apêx1]

Half dead Obito reacted to(blocked) Jubidara's orbs at point blank range

And what does that imply?...

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara blocked base Naruto's blitz. I have no idea which Manga people are reading. Even at this level, despite using the distraction, Naruto still failed to land a hit on Madara who used the Limbo just in time to block him. With current feats, Naruto loses.

you forget that base naruto completely dodged the limbo when he was fighting madara

madara needed shinju to even reaction upon naruto's speed with limbo this madara >>>>>>>>.the one gai fought

i agree with boggie

 

[Bogard]

And what does that imply?...

That attacking speed =/= reaction speed. While the orbs(kunais) travel faster than you, you can still bodily react to dodge them