Naruto Chapter 428 (It's Out)

[Renegade]

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[Skye Kaguya]

lol i was just about to make a thread... like seconds away lol

 

[hennryisarat]

Awsome...Thanks alot!

 

[TehBankai]

i was beat to it XD
well anyway a must read chapter cause........
hahaha

thanks

 

[Renegade]

Damn! It ended at such an interesting moment.

 

[twistedlink]

Very good chapter minus the konohamaru rasengan , definitely getting interesting!

 

[Neutrino00]

Yes AWESOME, I just got back from a venture meeting.

 

[Skye Kaguya]

FINALLY
*spoilers*

Spoiler

Pein Finally know that Naruto isnt in Konoha... i think hes gonna pull out... maybe not right away but... he will pull out.... and maybe the next issue can be more of Naruto's Training... it will take pain a long time to get to myobokuzan... ha.... hopefully he doesnt take any more lives on his way out of konoha... lol but... yea... besides that... konohamaru's rasengan was all puny... lol and he had to hold it in two hands... and it is reaallllly gay that naruto taught him that... i mean its his fathers and jiraiya's and well his... its his signature move... now naruto is back to not having anything unique.. (kono also knows shadow clones like everyone else... RS is forbidden, and sage mode isnt working right) i think it was a bad choice by kishi... i also love how it seemed like konohamaru came up with rasengan on the spot lol... spinning, power, then stop... Hmmmm? RASENGAN... wtf... lol

 

[Neutrino00]

-_-
I hate how everyone doesn't like Konohamaru using rasengan is stupid.
I personally tink it was quite awesome.

 

[inkwell88]

i think kono using the resengan at his age and level is kinda impressive! i'm glad to see that he's further than naruto at his age cause naruto would be half dead right now and we all know it...lol! but seriously if pein attacks moku... i don't think there will be much the toads can do cause they couldn't beat him with jrai... and naruto has less battle experience than jrai! but the plot is thickening...

 

[Neutrino00]

Konohamaru isn't really further than naruto at that age...
Konohamaru is about older then what naruto was when naruto learned rasengan.

 

[twistedlink]

Konohamaru isn't really further than naruto at that age...
Konohamaru is about older then what naruto was when naruto learned rasengan.

Yes but naruto, is called naruto, because hes the protaganist of the story and the 4th hokages legacy, and is meant to surpass him.

Now we have some twat that was mainly put into the filler episodes of anime and the less serious mangas, mainly joke ones, like "its so obvious youre not a rock" etc that is recieving the same moveset as naruto when he was a child

Not only has this cheapened the 4th massively, it has cheapened naruto(the character not the series), the whole reason tsunade had respect for naruto and said he could become hokage and is strong yada yada yada is because he learnt rasengan at that age, with the help of jiraiya a legendary sannin.

Konohamaru manages to learn it from NARUTO, naruto doesnt do theory, he just doesnt get how things are done, he just does them through practice and knows the "feel" of the jutsu, he is purely kinaesthetic learning.

When we was all reading/watching attempting the rasengan we was all thinking that naruto must learn the jutsu and show that despite being a loudmouth genin he can learn S-class jutsu, and we all loved it when he first learned it, and used it against kabuto etc etc, and that was awesome, but now we have this little **** actually tricking pain with 1 shadow clone attempt, and a direct hit.

Sorry, but naruto took ages and had to hurt himself to hit kabuto, and pain is LOADS more skilled than kabuto, so actually, in terms of how successful konos rasengan is, it appears to be 100%, he hasnt missed an enemy yet, this makes him actually more skilled than naruto, considering he requires more clones to trick the opponent, and misses a fair few times (kabuto, kakuzu and the others)

Sorry but konohamaru right now is much stronger than naruto when he was that age, and that just pisses me off

And now he can use rasengan, and it wasnt small, and it didnt look incomplete, it looked like a bonefide rasengan, and certainly hit pain hard.


Its just stupid, next we'll be seeing everyone throwing fuuton rasenshurikens around.

even kakashi said it was really hard for him to learn, and very taxxing on his body, and took him a while to learn it WITH SHARINGAN, yet konohamaru can pull it outta his ass in no time?

Sorry, but its an amazing pile of bullshit, the whole theme is "the next generation always surpasses the old"

but the way kishi is writing it is just like the kids have had sudden 500 IQ computers implanted into them, kakashi is known as a once in a decade genius, just like orochimaru and itachi etc, and even with the sharingan rasengan was a hard task for him, now we have dumb little twat outdo him.

How?

why?

The next generation are more powerful "because"

"because" the next generation always surpasses the old

But it doesnt explain how or why, they just appear to randomly be loads better and smarter, despite having sucked previously.

 

[Sasυke]

Ok listen I think that Naruto showed Konohamaru how to make the rasengan, just Konohamaru needs more clones. Remember Naruto have to learn the trick himself, Jyraia didn't helped him , but for Konohamaru I think that Naruto showed him how to do it.

 

[Kazamori]

Sweet !!! What Pain gonna do now Now he needs to wait for Naruto come back ...

I dont think that Pain body dead just couse of some small Rasengan ... its dead body anyway ...

Remember that body Kakashi fought, he had to destroy it completely to "kill" it

 

[mackjack405]

so its been noted that pein has techniques similar to the death god technique and ino's clans secret technique. anyone also believe they have some type of knowledge sharing like naruto's shadow clones?

 

[roflcopter]

+1 Twistedlink

I like your way of thinking

hats actually true what he said.

 

[Neutrino00]

Spoiler

Yes but naruto, is called naruto, because hes the protaganist of the story and the 4th hokages legacy, and is meant to surpass him.

Now we have some twat that was mainly put into the filler episodes of anime and the less serious mangas, mainly joke ones, like "its so obvious youre not a rock" etc that is recieving the same moveset as naruto when he was a child-If I recall correctly, that was in the first part, when Konohamaru was just like 8 years old. He was still put in as joke chapters after, but it wasn't "its so obvious you're not a rock" but he was actually a ninja at that time and we didn't know any of his abilities.


Not only has this cheapened the 4th massively, it has cheapened naruto(the character not the series), the whole reason tsunade had respect for naruto and said he could become hokage and is strong yada yada yada is because he learnt rasengan at that age, with the help of jiraiya a legendary sannin.This does not cheapen naruto, Konohamaru is older than naruto when naruto learned it, and his rasengan still isn't as good. Also this show's Naruto's intelligence and leadership abilities, as well as his maturity because Naruto would have to have those in order to teach Konohamaru anything, so I think this is actually good. Also it show's that Naruto has to move on and use other techniques because he can't always be using rasengan. He now has RS(which he will most likely be able to use after sage mode cause his body would be protected sort of), Sage Mode(Which he will soon have, not only being able to do it, but be able to move while gathering natural energy)

Konohamaru manages to learn it from NARUTO, naruto doesnt do theory, he just doesnt get how things are done, he just does them through practice and knows the "feel" of the jutsu, he is purely kinaesthetic learning.-_-, um he does understand the theory perfectly, he perfectly explained the theory to Konohamaru in that flash back, he essentially derived the theory himself when he learned, because Jiryah never really helped him, this means since he derived the theory behind it he must know it, and also means he is intelligent. He came up with a way to put wind chakra into rasengan, which required intelligence to create a way to do it. He does do it through practice, but he gets the theory(which he like I said pretty much derives himself) very well.

When we was all reading/watching attempting the rasengan we was all thinking that naruto must learn the jutsu and show that despite being a loudmouth genin he can learn S-class jutsu, and we all loved it when he first learned it, and used it against kabuto etc etc, and that was awesome, but now we have this little **** actually tricking pain with 1 shadow clone attempt, and a direct hit.Don't assume someone is weak and stuff, when you don't know anything about them.

Sorry, but naruto took ages and had to hurt himself to hit kabuto, and pain is LOADS more skilled than kabuto, so actually, in terms of how successful konos rasengan is, it appears to be 100%, he hasnt missed an enemy yet, this makes him actually more skilled than naruto, considering he requires more clones to trick the opponent, and misses a fair few times (kabuto, kakuzu and the others)I'm sure that the pain body will resserect itself, and then it will take more than just one try to kill it again. also only 2 tries to own kakuzu, as for kabuto, naruto was already very tired, and he had like only like half a second to stop kabuto from killing tsunade, when he countered kabuto was able to dodge it, because it was a huge wide open, not a lot of cover to get some shadow clones to hide, then after being injured greatly(which would distract most people), and only having a few seconds he came up with the plan to hit kabuto and it worked the first time. Unlike Konohamaru, Naruto comes up with his plans in-battle, which is harder.

Also I would like to point out that Kakuzu and Kabuto were smarter than pain(pain isn't actually that intelligent, he just barge's in and does a frontal assault, and relies on pure power, unlike Naruto who goes in does something, comes up with a strategy), and they had their power's focused into one body, unlike having 6 weak bodies that only when they team with themselves become extremely powerful.

Sorry but konohamaru right now is much stronger than naruto when he was that age, and that just pisses me off-No, Naruto had a bigger rasengan, most likely more shadow clones, a summoning, and had the kyuubi cloak(though this doesn't really count)

And now he can use rasengan, and it wasnt small, and it didnt look incomplete, it looked like a bonefide rasengan, and certainly hit pain hard.
That's because rasengan is naturally very strong, even if it is small(look at the oodoma rasengan, that like created a 10 metre crater and that was pretty small), so naturally it is going to be quite powerful. and Konohamaru had to do the same thing Naruto did to do the oodoma rasengan and actually after it's made have 2 bodies holding it instead of just having 1 body hold it and use it after it was complete, and it took up ;ike 1/4 of one of konohamaru's hands, naruto's takes up half his hand.

Its just stupid, next we'll be seeing everyone throwing fuuton rasenshurikens around.It is not stupid, the jutsu must be passed from generation to generation etc. I bet you anything that Konohamaru will teach the technique to his students when he gets them, and those students will also pass it on. No, rasenshurikens do damage to Naruto's body, though a lot of people being able to use it is actually possible now that Naruto derived the theory behind it, and how to make it, it becomes a lot easier to teach it. And not everyone is using rasengan's

even kakashi said it was really hard for him to learn, and very taxxing on his body, and took him a while to learn it WITH SHARINGAN, yet konohamaru can pull it outta his ass in no time?We don't know when exactly Konohamaru learned it, or even how long it took him. Naruto could have given him the information jiriyah gave him, and the extra explanations Naruto derived, and then given him the entire 3-4 years to learn it. And not everything can be learned with Sharingan, for example the 8 heavenly gates, rasenshuriken.

Sorry, but its an amazing pile of bullshit, the whole theme is "the next generation always surpasses the old"It isn't just next generation will surpass the old, it doesn't really have anything to do with it(the entire thing is actually based on the new generation taking everything the previous generation had, then adding to it which they are able to do since they are already given the previous information). It has more to do with showing that Naruto can no longer rely on his old techniques, and also that it show's Naruto's maturity and ability to become the next hokage etc.

but the way kishi is writing it is just like the kids have had sudden 500 IQ computers implanted into them, kakashi is known as a once in a decade genius, just like orochimaru and itachi etc, and even with the sharingan rasengan was a hard task for him, now we have dumb little twat outdo him.We have not seen Konohamaru out do kakashi, and it hasn't been shown that he has had a 500 IQ computer implanted into him. Kakashi showed much better plans, and also Kakashi was against the 2 strongest bodies, Konohamaru was up against like the weakest body, if he was up against any of the other bodies, even the hungry ghost realm(fat body that absorbs chakra) he would have probably failed.

How?

why?

The next generation are more powerful "because"

"because" the next generation always surpasses the old

But it doesnt explain how or why, they just appear to randomly be loads better and smarter, despite having sucked previously.(It doesn't really show them being loads stronger or smarter, and they didn't really suck that much before)

The answers are in bold.

 

[twistedlink]

If I recall correctly, that was in the first part, when Konohamaru was just like 8 years old. He was still put in as joke chapters after, but it wasn't "its so obvious you're not a rock" but he was actually a ninja at that time and we didn't know any of his abilities.

Right, and itachi became a chuunin aged 10, an ANBU leader age 13, and has sharingan, does he have rasengan?

Kakashi became jounin when he was 13 ish, can he do rasengan? Yes with major tax on his body and its very difficult for him to learn it, so how a kid whos a joke aged 8 (when others who can do rasengan were kickass aged 8) is UNREALISTIC (in naruto terms, i dont mean unrealistic full stop, as naruto is unrealistic, i meant realism of the series. its just stupid

This does not cheapen naruto, Konohamaru is older than naruto when naruto learned it, and his rasengan still isn't as good. Also this show's Naruto's intelligence and leadership abilities, as well as his maturity because Naruto would have to have those in order to teach Konohamaru anything, so I think this is actually good. Also it show's that Naruto has to move on and use other techniques because he can't always be using rasengan. He now has RS(which he will most likely be able to use after sage mode cause his body would be protected sort of), Sage Mode(Which he will soon have, not only being able to do it, but be able to move while gathering natural energy

How DOESNT it cheapen naruto?

Naruto is the main character, and he busted his balls learning rasengan, and as the main character hes supposed to be able to learn these things.

Honestly hand on heart, kakashi learning rasengan cheapened the 4th, and naruto.

Konohamaru learning rasengan is just a fucking joke, it cheapens the story amazingly, now konohamaru learned it-i personally now feel naruto hasnt achieved much at all, considering it appears anyone can do it if they try.

Naruto being mature and being a teacher would be good, but once again, we hit that annoying snag of the fact that narutos not mature, and he cant be a good teacher.

Kakashi and jiraiya had the explain the THEORY to naruto, in which he then practiced and got it, because hes kinaesthetic, its a well known fact kinaesthetic learners arent good teachers, because most teaching is writing on a board in theory, and kinaesthetic learners simply cannot do it, they want activities, which cant be done 100% of the time.

Naruto cant simply explain how rasengan works because naruto honestly doesnt know how it works, he FEELS (kinaesthetic) how it works.

You dont know the physics behind how a bike stays up due to balance and weight and momentum, but you know HOW to ride a bike.

Thats why parents suck at teaching kids how to ride a bike, and why they continuously fall off.

I know the reply "yeah but we all do in the end, just like konohamaru learned rasengan in the end"

True, but bike riding is a lot easier i assume if we did have chakra lol.

um he does understand the theory perfectly, he perfectly explained the theory to Konohamaru in that flash back, he essentially derived the theory himself when he learned, because Jiryah never really helped him, this means since he derived the theory behind it he must know it, and also means he is intelligent. He came up with a way to put wind chakra into rasengan, which required intelligence to create a way to do it. He does do it through practice, but he gets the theory(which he like I said pretty much derives himself) very well.

He doesnt do rasengan properly, he cant do it in one hand, he cant move chakra in different directions with one hand, as jiraiya said (got a new fan watching it from the beginning so its bringing back memories of what happened)

He still has to move the chakra around with his other hand, he hasnt mastered the move at all.

He also just repeated what jiraiya said, rotation power and whatever else

Here look, i can repeat stuff too

- \frac {\hbar ^2}{2m} \frac {d ^2 \psi}{dx^2} = E \psi.

The general solutions are:

\psi = A e^{ikx} + B e ^{-ikx} \;\;\;\;\;\; E = \frac{k^2 \hbar^2}{2m}

or

\psi = C \sin kx + D \cos kx \; (Euler's identity)

Dont know what the **** it means.

However i can repeat that to someone else, and they might understand when i dont.

Don't assume someone is weak and stuff, when you don't know anything about them.

but he is weak, itachi was kickass years before him, so was kakashi, so was oro, so was jiraiya, so was naruto (or supposed to, though now narutos worse age wise), and lets think, most other kids, sasuke, kiba, shikamaru.

Konohamaru was useless, and i dont care if hes the descendant of the 3rd, so is asuma but hes still a basic jounin at best, i mean come on his only attacks were wind blades, he never used ninjutsu apart from that filler episode...which was filler.

He sucked compared to the 3rd, so why should konohamaru be any better?

I'm sure that the pain body will resserect itself, and then it will take more than just one try to kill it again. also only 2 tries to own kakuzu, as for kabuto, naruto was already very tired, and he had like only like half a second to stop kabuto from killing tsunade, when he countered kabuto was able to dodge it, because it was a huge wide open, not a lot of cover to get some shadow clones to hide, then after being injured greatly(which would distract most people), and only having a few seconds he came up with the plan to hit kabuto and it worked the first time. Unlike Konohamaru, Naruto comes up with his plans in-battle, which is harder.

That doesnt matter, the point is pain (whos definitely 3rd-1st most powerful ninja ever) was TRICKED, with 1 shadow clone decoy, and his rasengan was a direct hit, on his first use of it against an enemy (hence why ebisu was so shocked)

Naruto, whos been throwing these things around for years, had to use 3 decoys to fail against kakuzu once.

He fired up 2 sets of shadow clones (making 3, not 2 overall) to feint attack him at the front, and really attack him at the back, overall using a good 9 shadow clones, and 2 missed hits.

Against KAKUZU, someone who would get OWNED by pain.

This shows konohamaru is actually BETTER at delivering the rasengan or derivatives of rasengan, because he did it with minimal shadow clones and it hit, against pain no less.

Who cares if he gets up again, the point is konohamarus rasengan was much more effective than narutos has ever been, because he didnt get hurt in the process (kabuto) he didnt need countless shadow clones to trick the enemy (kakuzu) and it hit directly first time, against the most powerful ninja we have seen so far.

Naruto is konos bitch right now, and youre saying that doesnt cheapen the series???

pfffft.

Also I would like to point out that Kakuzu and Kabuto were smarter than pain(pain isn't actually that intelligent, he just barge's in and does a frontal assault, and relies on pure power, unlike Naruto who goes in does something, comes up with a strategy), and they had their power's focused into one body, unlike having 6 weak bodies that only when they team with themselves become extremely powerful.

dont assume a characters intelligence.

This logic was okay to apply to me, so its okay to apply to you, unless you wish to be a hypocrite.

Don't assume someone is weak and stuff, when you don't know anything about them.

we dont know a lot about pain, so dont assume

No, Naruto had a bigger rasengan, most likely more shadow clones, a summoning, and had the kyuubi cloak(though this doesn't really count)

Theyre the same size from my knowledge, more shadow clones isnt a good thing, naruto had to make hundreds to do anything decent, kono uses 1, and has more strategy and effectiveness than narutos 100.
The summoning is true, but kono appears to be good with shadow clones and hitting with rasengan, if pain got tricked, im sure naruto would)
Kyuubi cloak shouldnt count considering, because thats the end all of narutos moveset really (though orochimaru survived with without much trouble.

It is not stupid, the jutsu must be passed from generation to generation etc. I bet you anything that Konohamaru will teach the technique to his students when he gets them, and those students will also pass it on. No, rasenshurikens do damage to Naruto's body, though a lot of people being able to use it is actually possible now that Naruto derived the theory behind it, and how to make it, it becomes a lot easier to teach it. And not everyone is using rasengan's

lol, so if people were leaving the academy with rasengans under there belt, you wouldnt feel that cheapens the 4th and naruto loads?

wtf?

Youre the guy who thinks the series would suck if sasuke becomes good (which is by all means likely)

Yet children firing rasengans over the place you are fine with?

Why dont we all just teach them amaterasu and susanou while were pumping these academy kids up with jutsu steroids eh?

We don't know when exactly Konohamaru learned it, or even how long it took him. Naruto could have given him the information jiriyah gave him, and the extra explanations Naruto derived, and then given him the entire 3-4 years to learn it. And not everything can be learned with Sharingan, for example the 8 heavenly gates, rasenshuriken.

Yes sharingan can learn 8 heavenly gates, kakashi used his sharingan to copy lees 6 gates, and if someone used 8 gates in front of sasuke, itachi, madara or kakashi, they could use it.

It cant copy bloodlines, thats it.

Kakashi who isnt even an uchiha can copy over 1000 techniques.

Kakashi is also on par with shikamarus intelligence, yet has trouble learning rasengan, kono does not have an IQ of 200

It isn't just next generation will surpass the old, it doesn't really have anything to do with it(the entire thing is actually based on the new generation taking everything the previous generation had, then adding to it which they are able to do since they are already given the previous information). It has more to do with showing that Naruto can no longer rely on his old techniques, and also that it show's Naruto's maturity and ability to become the next hokage etc.

eh, not really, they continue saying that the new generation will always surpass the old (like kakashi to kauzu) and 3rd against oro, and kakashi to naruto, but it appears this new generation are too powerful-and for no explained reason, they appear to be learning techniques the older generation couldnt do, yet the older generation should be perfectly capable of them, it simply makes no sense.

rasengan was retrod.

the 4th invented it and jiraiya (a previous generation) learned it, yet now we have new generations making shit that previous generations cant even attempt, its dumb.

We have not seen Konohamaru out do kakashi, and it hasn't been shown that he has had a 500 IQ computer implanted into him. Kakashi showed much better plans, and also Kakashi was against the 2 strongest bodies, Konohamaru was up against like the weakest body, if he was up against any of the other bodies, even the hungry ghost realm(fat body that absorbs chakra) he would have probably failed.

we dont know pain, you cant say thats the weakest body, dont be a hypocrite now