Naruto cant be faster than the Raikage.....

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In the three times A attacked Sasuke, Minato, and Naruto; there is a very brief pause between the moment A arrives in front of his opponent and the moment where he strikes.

In that short pause, Naruto had the reaction speed and the bodily speed to dodge A.

In that short pause, Minato had the reaction speed to activate FTG and dodge A. (He also flicked a Kunai up, then dodged the first time he dodged him)

The key is the short pause that A makes when he attacks right before he hits his target cause during the pause he is right in front of the target's face.

Ok...this makes sense. His foot did stop and drive into the ground before he chopped Sasuke's susanoo. Sasuke did turn and look at him in that instant and with Narutos sensory abilites this would also be possible. Great explainaton *****. Too bad everyone can create logical explainations like this instead of going with everything they see.
 

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KM dodged A's fastest punch with sheer speed (not reading movements/using visual prowess like Sasukes sharigan). It's also fairly safe to assume that BM Naruto is faster than KM Naruto.....so in conclusion, Naruto's speed >>> A's (and everyone elses).
 

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Ok...this makes sense. His foot did stop and drive into the ground before he chopped Sasuke's susanoo. Sasuke did turn and look at him in that instant and with Narutos sensory abilites this would also be possible. Great explainaton *****. Too bad everyone can create logical explainations like this instead of going with everything they see.

It didn't even need to be explained like that. It was completely obvious already. He basically told you in a fancy way "Naruto dodged A's attack" By saying there was a "short pause" When in reality all this short pause is, is the manga scan we were shown just before A tries to strike the opponent.
 

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Actually, Sasuke shot Amaterasu directly at Gaara's sand to defend from Gaara's attack with sand, but you're right about it not being instantaneous.
I agree
 

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Naruto is faster bro, he dodged his full-speed attack
 

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Actually, Sasuke shot Amaterasu directly at Gaara's sand to defend from Gaara's attack with sand, but you're right about it not being instantaneous.
Actually, that was Enton, not standard Amaterasu. Enton, unlike Amaterasu can be only used as a projectile, whereas Amaterasu appears on the exact spot where the user is focusing his eyesight.
 

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He was able to dodge the raikage's fastest attack which is a feat only Minato and Naruto have done so far!
 

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Stupid thread,Naruto is 10x faster than raikage and has surpassed Minato.
 

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OP there is some truth in what you say that i why i always frown upon those who say naruto/Minato dodged Ay therefore they have better reaction time.

My definition of reaction time starts from sight, then mind then body.
You see, you interpret, you act.

Ai's raiton no yoroi enhances all his body function's so much so that his awareness (eyes and mind) rivals that of the sharingan user's and sm user's.

Sm naruto has better awareness than km naruto, however km naruto has better speed.

If sm naruto was to turn his back at Ai, he still wouldnt lack awarness due to the abilities of sm, however he wouldnt dodge A because of his speed. If km naruto was to turn his back on Ai, he lacks awareness and due to this though he has the speed, Ai would hit him.

Km naruto has the slightly the better speed than Ai, however Ai has the much better awareness than km naruto, therefore overall ai's reaction time is greater than km naruto.

EDIT: If naruto manages to combine sm and bm, ow gawd this guy would be too special. He would have the best reation time in the series. Heck if he merges sm and km would allow him to have the best reaction time
 
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OP there is some truth in what you say that i why i always frown upon those who say naruto/Minato dodged Ay therefore they have better reaction time.

My definition of reaction time starts from sight, then mind then body.
You see, you interpret, you act.

Ai's raiton no yoroi enhances all his body function's so much so that his awareness (eyes and mind) rivals that of the sharingan user's and sm user's.

Sm naruto has better awareness than km naruto, however km naruto has better speed.

If sm naruto was to turn his back at Ai, he still wouldnt lack awarness due to the abilities of sm, however he wouldnt dodge A because of his speed. If km naruto was to turn his back on Ai, he lacks awareness and due to this though he has the speed, Ai would hit him.

Km naruto has the slightly the better speed than Ai, however Ai has the much better awareness than km naruto, therefore overall ai's reaction time is greater than km naruto.

EDIT: If naruto manages to combine sm and bm, ow gawd this guy would be too special. He would have the best reation time in the series. Heck if he merges sm and km would allow him to have the best reaction time

youre forgetting KM/BM naruto can sense people, so he has good awareness and speed
 

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He dodged A and why can't he inherit his fathers reflexes?
 

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Amaterasu is not instantaneous.Gaara(having no special reflexes)defended himself from amaterasu.
Naruto also dodged Raikage's V2 punch,thus making Naruto the fastest ninja alive.
 

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S.i.m.p.l.e there is an obviouse plot whole but based on the manga naruto is fastest person right now
 

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In the three times A attacked Sasuke, Minato, and Naruto; there is a very brief pause between the moment A arrives in front of his opponent and the moment where he strikes.

In that short pause, Naruto had the reaction speed and the bodily speed to dodge A.

In that short pause, Minato had the reaction speed to activate FTG and dodge A. (He also flicked a Kunai up, then dodged the first time he dodged him)

The key is the short pause that A makes when he attacks right before he hits his target cause during the pause he is right in front of the target's face.

do you know what this short pause is ?? HAHAHAHA your joking right .....
 

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do you know what this short pause is ?? HAHAHAHA your joking right .....

The short pause is obviously right before he punches him if you actually looked at the scans in my post you would see A rushes to the opponent and then he is about to hit them.
 

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youre forgetting KM/BM naruto can sense people, so he has good awareness and speed

True he has some form of awareness because he can sense bad emotion's however sm naruto still has greater awareness than km
 

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The short pause is obviously right before he punches him if you actually looked at the scans in my post you would see A rushes to the opponent and then he is about to hit them.

i don't need these scans, i already watched the raikage in action and i have seen these pauses but these are like cinematics bro nothing more, he is moving at the same speed the hall time. do you get it ??
 

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i don't need these scans, i already watched the raikage in action and i have seen these pauses but these are like cinematics bro nothing more, he is moving at the same speed the hall time. do you get it ??

I never said he wasn't moving at the same speed and I'm not referring to cinematic pauses either effect, if you look at the scan you see that Raikage has his fist pulled back and right when he is about to hit, they dodge.

If you actually looked at the scans you would know that the pauses are distinguished from other panels by having a black background.



Both times before the panel background goes black, Minato and Naruto see the Raikage right in front of their faces ready to strike (arm lunged back a bit) then they dodge.
 

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I never said he wasn't moving at the same speed and I'm not referring to cinematic pauses either effect, if you look at the scan you see that Raikage has his fist pulled back and right when he is about to hit, they dodge.

If you actually looked at the scans you would know that the pauses are distinguished from other panels by having a black background.



Both times before the panel background goes black, Minato and Naruto see the Raikage right in front of their faces ready to strike (arm lunged back a bit) then they dodge.

lol these same cinematics are in both manga and the anime (at exactly the same scene but in the anime it goes in slow motion) its just the moment of the impact and true its the time naruto and minato dodged his punch BUT if you are not saying that he got slower in that instant (your so called pause before his attack) then what was the point of saying that ?? minato had good reflexes but his base speed is not enough to keep up with the riakage's full speed so his good reflexes enabled him to throw the kunai then use ftg (witch is instant), and in naruto's case he did have good reflexes and the speed to dodge the raikage's punch in full speed. both had a way around the raikage's full speed punch but that wasn't because of his pause before the impact (witch is a cinematic, nothing more) if it was more and his full speed punch had a flaw (witch is maybe your point) am sure it would be mentioned ....
 
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lol these same cinematics are in both manga and the anime (at exactly the same scene but in the anime it goes in slow motion) its just the moment of the impact and true its the time naruto and minato dodged his punch BUT if you are not saying that he got slower in that instant (your so called pause before his attack) then what was the point of saying that ?? minato ha good reflexes but his base speed is not enough to keep up with the riakage's full speed so his good reflexes enabled him to throw the kunai then use ftg (witch is instant), and in naruto's case he did have good reflexes and the speed to dodge the raikage's punch in full speed.

Sigh..I know the cinematics are there, but you don't know where there are at the manga as you have demonstrated in your post.

Look at when Minato used FTG to dodge him.

First panel-White background, Minato sees Raikage in front of him.

Next panel-Black background (This is when the cinematics are in play to add a slow motion effect)

Both times where there is a black background in Minato and Naruto's confrontations with the Raikage, that is when it slows down.

The bold is the pause between the Raikage trying to hit him and Minato dodging, this is pause I'm referring to, not the slow motion panels they show when Naruto/Minato was about to dodge the Raikage.
 
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