*Naruto BM vs Edo Tensei Madara*
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1v1 any Edo will eventually win against someone without sealing techniques if the fight is 'to the death;' HOWEVER, it would be logical to assume at least 1 toad from Mount Myōboku would be able to perform a sealing technique.
To clarify it's logical because:
(a) there are many toads who have been shown to be cable in multiple different types of Jutsus and there is no reason to think they would all be unable to perform a sealing technique; and
(b) Jiraya was competent in Fūinjutsu and spent much time with the toads (he may have learned from them or taught them).
So assuming this... for Madara to win he needs to kill Naruto. For Naruto to win he needs to incapacitate Madara long enough for a toad to seal him.
To clarify it's logical because:
(a) there are many toads who have been shown to be cable in multiple different types of Jutsus and there is no reason to think they would all be unable to perform a sealing technique; and
(b) Jiraya was competent in Fūinjutsu and spent much time with the toads (he may have learned from them or taught them).
So assuming this... for Madara to win he needs to kill Naruto. For Naruto to win he needs to incapacitate Madara long enough for a toad to seal him.
Madara mhm
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Naruto
Background/Lineage:
Uzamaki
Tools:
BM advantages
Rasengan techniques
Toad Summons
Proficient shadow clone technique
Madara
Background:
Huge amount of battle knowledge & jutsu repertoire
Essentially inexhaustible chakra reserves/stamina
Immortal
Uchiha...
Senju DNA in at least part of his body
Tools:
Wood Style and it's advantages
Rinnegan and it's advantages
EMS and it's advantages
Background/Lineage:
Uzamaki
-related to Senju and therefore may have techniques similar to the 1st. Am I the only one who notices that the wood release that controls Kurama has some similarities to Mito Uzumaki's chakra chains? What this means is pure speculation, but maybe some of the wood release techniques such as the Flowering Trees won't affect Naruto [speculation]
-enhanced vitality to the point where members can even survive tailed beast extractions, something no one else is able to do
-potentially access to sealing techniques [speculation]
Namikaze-enhanced vitality to the point where members can even survive tailed beast extractions, something no one else is able to do
-potentially access to sealing techniques [speculation]
-Fourth Hokage's son. It appears those related to hokages are powerful... Sasuke Sarutobi was renowned as great ninja/good enough to name Sasuke Uchiha after, Asuma Sarutobi was one of the 12 ninja guardians I think, Konohamaru Saratobi can use the rasengan at a very young age and Tsunde became the 5th Hokage herself. [take that for what you will]
Tools:
BM advantages
-Huge increases in speed (faster than anything else shown)
Sage advantages
-Nature chakra, if absorbed turns user into stone toad
-Able to sense chakra
-Able to extend reach of physical attacks
Tailed Beast Balls-Able to sense chakra
-Able to extend reach of physical attacks
Rasengan techniques
Toad Summons
Proficient shadow clone technique
Madara
Background:
Huge amount of battle knowledge & jutsu repertoire
Essentially inexhaustible chakra reserves/stamina
Immortal
Uchiha...
Senju DNA in at least part of his body
Tools:
Wood Style and it's advantages
Rinnegan and it's advantages
EMS and it's advantages
-Enhanced vision/reflexes
-Susanoo
-Tsukuyomi
-Ameratsu
-Izanagi
Proficient in Fire techniques-Susanoo
-Tsukuyomi
-Ameratsu
-Izanagi
Who wins? Based on only logical and highly probable speculations as outlined
Madara starts off using fire jutsu to test out Naruto. Naruto goes into BM mode, dodges. Naruto attacks with shadow clone(s) using rasengan, Madara activates Susanoo or absorbs with Petra Path.
Madara tries tricks with Mokuton clones, but Naruto sees through them. Advent World is countered by Naruto's/Kurma's willpower (ensuring he doesn't go unconscious) then tailed beast ball or tons of massive rasengans to eliminate the forest.
Shit like this goes on for a while.
Naruto goes sage mode by having a shadow clone he had at a remote location merge. Throws tailed beast ball at susanoo to knock Madara out of it, rasen shuriken to Madara again. I see no reason Naruto can't combine BM and SM (if you remember the scene when he confronts Pain he has Sage Mode activated and the cross of the fox eyes in the middle, showing that Kurma can play a role in sage mode).
Madara has no reason to have knowledge of sage mode since only 4 characters have been shown to use it (two of them toads). When the attack is absorbed by Madara he turns to stone and is incapacitated and can be sealed.
Izanagi. [Speculation Madara can use this]
Madara can no longer use susanoo [speculation based upon the fact amaterasu and tsukuyomi both need to be awakened before susanoo is and each of those jutsus come from separate eyes].
Madara won't be caught absorbing from a sage Naruto again, but that means Naruto's ninjitsu becomes viable for attacking.
If Madara uses human path it's a fight for the soul, not automatic, instant death. Naruto has time to counter.
Madara Starts using more divine attractor/repulse techniques as well as summons.
Naruto counters by summoning toads, infusing chakra into feet and in BM he should have a strong ability to resist the forces.
Tons of shadow clones with rasengan barrage. Amaterasu all over the place to counter. [Assuming Madara chooses to keep his eye that can use ameratsu since he noticed Naruto won't look him in the eye for tsukuyomi (naruto knows this from training/fighting Sasuke] Since Madara doesn't know about toads/sage mode he won't risk absorbing with Petra Path.
Naruto is more than able to keep Madara busy while the toads use their ultimate genjutsu (the one used by the two toad sages with Jiriya on 3 of the paths of pain).
Once established Madara is immobilized... not sure if he can use izanagi again while under this genjutsu, but if he does he's blind soooooo yahhhhh...
Toad seals Madara, Naruto wins.
Madara starts off using fire jutsu to test out Naruto. Naruto goes into BM mode, dodges. Naruto attacks with shadow clone(s) using rasengan, Madara activates Susanoo or absorbs with Petra Path.
Madara tries tricks with Mokuton clones, but Naruto sees through them. Advent World is countered by Naruto's/Kurma's willpower (ensuring he doesn't go unconscious) then tailed beast ball or tons of massive rasengans to eliminate the forest.
Shit like this goes on for a while.
Naruto goes sage mode by having a shadow clone he had at a remote location merge. Throws tailed beast ball at susanoo to knock Madara out of it, rasen shuriken to Madara again. I see no reason Naruto can't combine BM and SM (if you remember the scene when he confronts Pain he has Sage Mode activated and the cross of the fox eyes in the middle, showing that Kurma can play a role in sage mode).
Madara has no reason to have knowledge of sage mode since only 4 characters have been shown to use it (two of them toads). When the attack is absorbed by Madara he turns to stone and is incapacitated and can be sealed.
Izanagi. [Speculation Madara can use this]
Madara can no longer use susanoo [speculation based upon the fact amaterasu and tsukuyomi both need to be awakened before susanoo is and each of those jutsus come from separate eyes].
Madara won't be caught absorbing from a sage Naruto again, but that means Naruto's ninjitsu becomes viable for attacking.
If Madara uses human path it's a fight for the soul, not automatic, instant death. Naruto has time to counter.
Madara Starts using more divine attractor/repulse techniques as well as summons.
Naruto counters by summoning toads, infusing chakra into feet and in BM he should have a strong ability to resist the forces.
Tons of shadow clones with rasengan barrage. Amaterasu all over the place to counter. [Assuming Madara chooses to keep his eye that can use ameratsu since he noticed Naruto won't look him in the eye for tsukuyomi (naruto knows this from training/fighting Sasuke] Since Madara doesn't know about toads/sage mode he won't risk absorbing with Petra Path.
Naruto is more than able to keep Madara busy while the toads use their ultimate genjutsu (the one used by the two toad sages with Jiriya on 3 of the paths of pain).
Once established Madara is immobilized... not sure if he can use izanagi again while under this genjutsu, but if he does he's blind soooooo yahhhhh...
Toad seals Madara, Naruto wins.
Shisui Namikaze
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I'd also like to point out that plot has nothing to do with this fight (Probably won't even happen seeing as the Kage are fighting Madara right now and Naruto and them are with Tobi). Also, every character < Naruto? Sage of Six Paths could destroy Naruto.i'd like to point out that Naruto is the main charEvery VS involving naruto, naruto wins
WillOfFire08
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Yup i agree plus his clones can also reach sage mode and naruto has already dealt w Arguably the best rennigaan user in nagato when he was far weaker then he is now
If naruto remember how he beat pain that time, and smart enough then he will not let edo madara absorb BM chakra, instead he will make edo madara absorb his sage mode chakra, then edo madara will turn to stone frog like he did to petra pain that time.
That's more than sealing tech right? He just have to somehow make that scenario happend.
But I wonder will turning into stone stop the edo tensei effect?
Plus if naruto is in sage mode then his taijutsu is very strong - and edo madara also said in the last manga that "if you want to beat me you have to either seal me or attack directly"
So naruto must somehow smartly switch between BM and sage mode or doing clones with both BM and sage mode to fight madara. It's like to switch between speed and power and knowing when to use it.
That's more than sealing tech right? He just have to somehow make that scenario happend.
But I wonder will turning into stone stop the edo tensei effect?
Plus if naruto is in sage mode then his taijutsu is very strong - and edo madara also said in the last manga that "if you want to beat me you have to either seal me or attack directly"
So naruto must somehow smartly switch between BM and sage mode or doing clones with both BM and sage mode to fight madara. It's like to switch between speed and power and knowing when to use it.
Uchihajin Sasuke
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karol the don
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i don't see a reason how madara would loose against naruto. first naruto is a dumb guy and not even smart enough to defeat Madara.Second he is immortal during the time of edo tensei and naruto can't seal him even if he can, he would loose pretty easly.Madara is a war leader he know how to fight unlike naruto does.Madara know the way of fighting and he got for sure some badass tricks in his back. Rinnegan Ems Wood Release against kyuubi power and that crap sage style mode don't stand a chance against Edo Madara.
Well when naruto beat the nine-tails and took controll of his chakra he some how used rikudou sennin's sealing technique, So its obvious naruto will win because he has a sealing technique like no other its called...FUUIN: Plot No-jutsu!
killakader1
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Naruto would win. Heres why.
-First off he beat nagato which means he already knows how to fight against the paths, so all that "oh madara will just suck up narutos chakra " crap is irrelevant. He wouldnt let it happen.
-Second He's the fastest ninja right now, Has the largest chakra pool, and has TBB and he has the most powerful TBB strong enough to block all the others.
-Third off its a very simple matter to use his speed and use his clones to set up a diversion and let madara absorb whatever he wants and then hit him with a TBB and Susanoo is not stopping that. If Susanoo cant withstand acid mist then thres no way its stopping the most powerful TBB of all.
- And a 4th option , its very possible that naruto will be getting the rinnegan, since its been basically declared that hes the reincarnation of SO6P by the TB , so that also gives him an edge.And about the sealing technique im pretty sure the SO6P had some sealing techniques aha and if he didnt then naruto can just TBB Madara and destroy his body and let him come back, then let someone else seal him( because they are still at war and he still has comrades)
-And for everyone saying that narutos dumb, you guys are just wrong. Yes he's not a genius , but he always comes up with a plan to defeat his enemies. Like in his fight with pain and he did that stone sage thing to absorbing path. Whats to stop him from doing that again. I dont think madara knows about sage techniques. I havent seen Minato doing any sage attacks against him in there fight so yea .
NARUTO WOULD WIN. If you disagree prove me wrong
-First off he beat nagato which means he already knows how to fight against the paths, so all that "oh madara will just suck up narutos chakra " crap is irrelevant. He wouldnt let it happen.
-Second He's the fastest ninja right now, Has the largest chakra pool, and has TBB and he has the most powerful TBB strong enough to block all the others.
-Third off its a very simple matter to use his speed and use his clones to set up a diversion and let madara absorb whatever he wants and then hit him with a TBB and Susanoo is not stopping that. If Susanoo cant withstand acid mist then thres no way its stopping the most powerful TBB of all.
- And a 4th option , its very possible that naruto will be getting the rinnegan, since its been basically declared that hes the reincarnation of SO6P by the TB , so that also gives him an edge.And about the sealing technique im pretty sure the SO6P had some sealing techniques aha and if he didnt then naruto can just TBB Madara and destroy his body and let him come back, then let someone else seal him( because they are still at war and he still has comrades)
-And for everyone saying that narutos dumb, you guys are just wrong. Yes he's not a genius , but he always comes up with a plan to defeat his enemies. Like in his fight with pain and he did that stone sage thing to absorbing path. Whats to stop him from doing that again. I dont think madara knows about sage techniques. I havent seen Minato doing any sage attacks against him in there fight so yea .
NARUTO WOULD WIN. If you disagree prove me wrong
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WillOfFire08
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lol this grammer is horrible, if u read it out loud it sounds hilarious haha, naruto dumb, madara smart and win cuz he cool lol
First, yes I agree with you on that, no arguments there. But since it's Naruto, I still see it happening because of what happened here.
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Second, I don't think it matters whether or not he has a large chakra pool. Madara is an Edo, so I'm pretty sure he has more than Naruto.
Third, my guess is that Susano'o could not defend against a TBB. But since Madara is an Edo, he'll just regenerate back to his normal self.
Fourth, this is between Naruto and Madara alone, no one else. So therefore, Naruto would lose due to not having any sealing techniques.
