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People on here often complain that the Naruto series has no true villains, evil main characters.
What those people don't realize is that, this is a story that is not about good and evil. Its about the struggles that characters go thru in their lives and how they overcome those struggles. Sure, not all the antagonists in the series are cold-hearted ruthless killers like Hidan, Kakuzu, Diedara, and Kisame. But I dont get how so many people see that as a problem.

Personally, I think people fighting eachother for what they believe in is far more interesting than watching someone who is just good, fight someone who is just evil for the sake of destroying the world for no real reason other than fun.
In Naruto everyone has a back story. People say "Duuuurrr...orochimaru is the only real villain." When he really isnt a villain, he isnt "EVIL" he is just someone who is willing to put aside what everyone else thinks to accomplish his goal, whether it involved evil actions or not. I bet if his path didnt involve violence, he wouldnt mind. He dosent go out LOOKING to kill for pleasure. "Ohhh..have faith in Madara, the true villain who wont fall to talk no jutsu." Madara a villain? his goal is the same as Obito's or at least so far as what we know. To create a dreamworld where there are no losers, and everyone is a winner. Sure the way he is going about it isn't the best, but he has good intentions, and will take out ANYONE who gets in his way, just like Naruto would.

In a sense, the story is about people (ninja) who have all chose paths to follow, and how those paths play out amongst everyone else's. Not about evil trying to take over good.

If you want to watch a series where people are evil without any explanation, watch DBZ, Devilman, or some disney movies. They have "true villains" that which you seek.

Otherwise, accept the fact that Naruto's main characters all have backstories which explain why they chose the path they did.
If you can't. then be forever mad that Naruto has no "REAL VILLAINS."

btw, Obito solos.
 

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You said Orochimaru isn't evil? While, he isn't apart of the mainstream antagonist force and actually against them... How can you call the person who experimented on 60 children, the result of which was 59 dead children and Yamato, not evil...?
 

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great post i always find villains the kill and destroy shit just cause without any good reason to be incredible lame and lazy writing
 

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Fighting for what you believe in his awesome but giving it up completely In like a day is lame.
 

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You said Orochimaru isn't evil? While, he isn't apart of the mainstream antagonist force and actually against them... How can you call the person who experimented on 60 children, the result of which was 59 dead children and Yamato, not evil...?

Just because WE see it as evil, dosent mean the person doing it sees it as evil. Their intentions for doing it is what determines if its evil or not. Orochimaru wasnt doing it to hurt people, it was just part of what he needed to do to get the results he wanted. A person can murder someone, yea, its an evil thing to do, but it dosent mean they are an evil person,
 

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Fighting for what you believe in his awesome but giving it up completely In like a day is lame.

He has been fightning Naruto for a while now. Its been a little over a day. And he stated that he wouldnt change. He just got his defeated, and failed. Thats all.
 

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So Mystodon is TAC?

OT: Madara isn't evil that's true
 

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Just because WE see it as evil, dosent mean the person doing it sees it as evil. Their intentions for doing it is what determines if its evil or not. Orochimaru wasnt doing it to hurt people, it was just part of what he needed to do to get the results he wanted. A person can murder someone, yea, its an evil thing to do, but it dosent mean they are an evil person,
Then there is no evil, no good either. It's all perspective. If you wish to go at that angle. Evil and Good are but childish imagination based thoughts.
 

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Then there is no evil, no good either. It's all perspective. If you wish to go at that angle. Evil and Good are but childish imagination based thoughts.

Basically that. It is perspective to an extent.
Childish imagination, no. Maybe thats what it may seem like to you. But no, children dont have that concept.
 

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i agree, this series doesn't offer a real PURE EVIL villain, instead it use's a more realistic approach/explanation to why the characters behave the way they do.

BUT, there's one exception.

"Duuuurrr...orochimaru is the only real villain." "When he really isnt a villain, he isnt "EVIL" he is just someone who is willing to put aside what everyone else thinks to accomplish his goal" .............................. :erm: WHAT ??

when a guy looses his mind/becomes power hungry and kills his Sensei, experiments on children, tries to destroy the leaf, not care about a single damn thing/comrade other than his plans and he does it all just to please himself, then sorry but, if that's not evil then i don't know what is U_U (the rest of the villains want peace but, they chose the wrong methods to achieve it/a messtup view of what peace really is).

Oro is my favorite because he IS the only real evil villain in this series (a classic evil bastard).
 
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Basically that. It is perspective to an extent.
Childish imagination, no. Maybe thats what it may seem like to you. But no, children dont have that concept.

I was referring to anyone seeing a person, group, or well. ANYTHING good or evil the childish imagination. So, there are no villains in anything nor are their "good" people. Real life and fiction.
 

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i agree, this series doesn't offer PURE EVIL villain, instead it use's a more realistic approach/explanation to why the characters behave the way they do.

BUT, there's one exception.

"Duuuurrr...orochimaru is the only real villain." "When he really isnt a villain, he isnt "EVIL" he is just someone who is willing to put aside what everyone else thinks to accomplish his goal" .............................. :erm: WHAT ??

when a guy looses his mind/becomes power hungry and kills his Sensei, experiments on children, tries to destroy the leaf, not care about a single damn thing/comrade other than his plans and he does it all just to please himself, then sorry but, if that's not evil then i don't know what is U_U.

Oro is my favorite because he IS the only evil villain in this series ( a classic evil bastard).

Orochimaru didnt lose his mind, and he dosent seem like a crazy person. He may be power hungry, but is that evil? Experimenting on children, Im positive if there were another alternative that would give him the exact same results he was looking for, he wouldnt experiment on them. And being selfish, or selfcenterd and not caring about anything else. Thats most of society. Wouldnt classify that as evil.

A classic evil bastard is someone like Domflamingo. Does evil things just cuz its fun. With no further purpose other than to make people suffer and relish in it. THAT is what I would consider evil.
 

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I was referring to anyone seeing a person, group, or well. ANYTHING good or evil the childish imagination. So, there are no villains in anything nor are their "good" people. Real life and fiction.

Doflamingo..I would consider him a villain. He causes suffering anywhere he can why? for the fun of it, he likes to kill people, and terrorize people. Not for anything else other than for his own amusement. THAT is evil. And he knows it.

Scar from the Lion King, wanting to kill off his own brother and nephew just so he could rule over the pride. That is evil.
 

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Orochimaru drinks evil juice for breakfast, he is what i call a twisted and evil villain.
 

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fighting for what you believe is not the problem I love that & respect that about the character like : Deidara , Kisame , Kakazu , hidan & Zetsu .The problem is weak minding your beliefs & changing them for some pep talk like .

I jut hope Madara stays true to what he beliefs its right & when he looses , at least he'll loose fighting for what he thought was right & not converting into a stupid pep talk from a guy who doesn't have the amount of knowledge & experience like Madara does .

 

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Orochimaru didnt lose his mind, and he dosent seem like a crazy person. He may be power hungry, but is that evil? Experimenting on children, Im positive if there were another alternative that would give him the exact same results he was looking for, he wouldnt experiment on them. And being selfish, or selfcenterd and not caring about anything else. Thats most of society. Wouldnt classify that as evil.

A classic evil bastard is someone like Domflamingo. Does evil things just cuz its fun. With no further purpose other than to make people suffer and relish in it. THAT is what I would consider evil.

what kind of an excuse is that ?? :eww: are you serious ??

the fact that he chose to kill/experiment on people just to seek power makes him evil (so you think that he's excused because there's no alternative solution to achieve his selfish goal ??) and yes, being power hungry IS evil sine he isn't even doing it for a good purpose (it's all about him).

so when he kills/experiments/not care/be selfcentered, that doesn't make him evil/twisted ?? ......................

i really don't know what to tell you, but he DID loose his mind since no sane person would go this far, and there's absolutely no reason for anyone to get to this twisted point unless he was messtup to begin with.

even Hiruzen saw the darkness in Oro's heart when he was a kid but, chose to ignore it (he loved him too much, look it up).

Orochimaru is a one evil/twisted/selfish bastard, unless you can come up a better excuse to why he reached this point :yeah:

and remember that he has NO GOOD CAUSE/INTENTIONS, killing anyone he wants just so he can become stronger is not easy to justify.

there's no room for the "it's a matter of prospective" thing when it comes to this character.
 
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fighting for what you believe is not the problem I love that & respect that about the character like : Deidara , Kisame , Kakazu , hidan & Zetsu .The problem is weak minding your beliefs & changing them for some pep talk like .

I jut hope Madara stays true to what he beliefs its right & when he looses , at least he'll loose fighting for what he thought was right & not converting into a stupid pep talk from a guy who doesn't have the amount of knowledge & experience like Madara does .


So far, Gaara and Nagato were the only ones to have done that.

Orochimaru realized that he was going about it all wrong after witnessing Kabuto. He hasnt CHANGED what he wants, but I think he will definately take a new outlook and go about it differently. Tsunade even stated that Orochimaru had changed, and Orochimaru didnt disagree. And he has seemd to change.

Nagato..that was a huge change of heart. I dont think that was great writing on kishi's behalf.
As for Obito, he went down fighting for his belief. Even if he was having regrets, he sucked it up step forward, leading to his inevitable defeat.
 
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