Naruto and Sasuke

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I know I can be bias at times but I'm going to be objective as possible..

Naruto
I feel like he's been getting the short end of the stick throughout Gadien and the Boruto movie. In Gadien he was called rusty. No matter if the 'rust' pertain to battle sense,tactics or physical strength, he was still called rusty and didn't do much to prove he wasn't.

In the movie Naruto is show in a better spotlight but is still lacking at moments.. One of the first thing that strikes me with Naruto in the movie is that he is said to be exhausted from having three or four clones running around, helping him do his job. The problem with that is Naruto(from the manga) can make a thousand clones without breaking a sweat, now three or four is to many for him to concentrate on without a clone having a surprise "poof"? If that rusty what is? Yes I know Naruto made a couple hundred clones in Gadien but something still isn't right..

So now we go to the Clip where Naruto is protecting people from Momoshiki giant TSB. I notice that both Naruto and Kurama had to put there hands together to get in sync/build chakra to summon Kruama's Avatar, which also seem like another sign of rust. Before all that happen he was sent through a wall by a simple kick, why? More rust is my guess.. After he summon the avatar, what he did next was very impressive by but wrapping his chakra around the orb and maintain the explosion.. BUT he was captured right after.

After being capture he was hanging there with no fight left... Literally waiting to be saved! That's like the complete opposite of what Naruto would do..

The fight starts. Naruto power up to RSM and Match by Sasuke every step of the way. In speed, strength, and taijutsu.. That could be more rust or Sasuke's growth, I'll let you all decide. During one of there combo attacks, Naruto falls and get stuck in some rocks.. All by himself... More rust?? Then Momo pancakes him there and he uses the avatar to escape.. After Sasuke's injury, Naruto goes ham!! Thinking this is what I'm use to from him... Which was great to watch.. And with Sasuke help he ended the fight in seconds..

Momo is revived, and instantly shut down Naruto and co.. I believe Naruto was hit with the shadow possession and chakra rods, he looks as if he had nothing left and didn't even attempt to break out. Rust??

I've read comments before posting Sasuke part so for give me for being more aggressive.

Sasuke
In Gadien, right from the start Sasuke notice or heard something, proving his battle senses are still intact.. But that's kind to be expected after being on a mission for ten years. Ambushed by shin an we see his improvement through one hand sighs.. Only a handful of shinobi accomplished that.
His battle with adult shin, Sasuke loos like he was 'rusty' by being stab without using something to save Sadara other than his body.. Later we find out that's not the case, weakened.. Due to dimension swapping back and forth to Kaguya's dimensions.

We first see Sasuke in battle with Kinshiki. He was clearly out match in physical strength, but made up for it with speed and Ameno.. Was he weaken from the swap??

We see Sasuke join the fight at the arena in the nick of time to save his Daughter from falling rocks.. Right after he was about to be attacked by kinshiki before being Saved by shikamaru. He later assist naruto in a defense against the giant TSB, but Naruto tells him to get Boruto to safety.

Later Sasuke portals the kages and Boruto to the dimension to save Naruto.. He gets engaged into a sword fight with kinshiki, using his chakra sword infuse with Enton and chidori(maybe) that leads to kinshiki capture after Saauke broke his weapon.

Now sasuke and Naruto is engage with a fusion of kinshiki and Momoshiki. Sasukeis matching RSM Narito in speed,strength and taijutsu.. All of this is after being weaken by portal jumping.
During one the combos sasuke was wrapped in chains, giving momo time to recover.. Sasuke was later trapped in cement, using chodori nagashi to break free right before being hit with a chakra hammer, knocking Sasuke into the air. Followed up by a fire style jutsu in case with rocks that burn Sasuke face left him falling in pain because Rib susanoo wasn't strong enough to protect him.

Sasuke recovers with the help of Naruto and Kyuubi's chakra within seconds, activates ultimate Susanoo and assist with putting down Momoshiki.

Momo is revived moments later and puts everyone down save Sasuke. Momo Makes a huge explosion, and Sasuke saves boruto and himself from it. Sasuke then came up with a plan to save everyone from momo's shadow possession.

Sasuke then comes up with another plan to finish mono with the help of boruto. Sasuke plays the role as deversion allowing Boruto to get In close to dismantle the rinnegan and deliver the finishing blow with a giant resengan aided by Naruto's chakra..
 
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It would be better for you to see the movie before you start judging it's contents rather than seeing a few clips and then thinking you know what's going on.

I. It's stress, Naruto creates countless amount of clones to do side jobs throughout the village, not three or four. If I would put an estimate ... I would say at least hundred.

No, the problem isn't Naruto's ability to use the shadow clones, it's how they operate. He uses shadow clones but they usually work for a limited amount of time. For example you wouldn't see Naruto use shadow clones in a battle all day, but this Naruto has clones that work for him contentiously all day long. Add that with the physical strain it puts on him afterwards, he's basically in an overrun continuous lap of overworking himself.

I've never heard such a statement where Naruto/Kurama molded chakra together and that was a sign of rust. They did that in the War Arc together, and they did it with Minato/Yin Kurama. So I don't know what kind of crap that is either :lol

Yeah Naruto was waiting to be saved, but he wasn't the only one that 'needed' to be saved in the fight. lol

I don't know what "rust" your referring to, both Naruto/Sasuke made a few mistakes but it wasn't oriented. Naruto fell on some rocks (I'd have to look back for the reason) but it's the same excuse you have when Sasuke was captured in chains and then slammed to the floor, and then he was later blasted with a fire release type technique and his face began to burn off.

Overall Naruto/Sasuke weren't "rusty", it's just that Momoshiki was that great in battle, despite the 'nerfs' on them only using Taijutsu/Kenjutsu.

Since Naruto's chakra was absorbed in the beginning of the fight, it all caught up to his body towards the end and his chakra mode went off. Sasuke couldn't come to his aid either, sadly.
 
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Ill tell u one thing it cannot be sasuke's growth cuz this isnt like strenght you can achieve training or working out lol. If that was the case i bet even rock lee could be equal in strenght to naruto in rsm. Like the person above me said its probably dulled battle sense or rust or just sh!t writing or inconsistency.
 

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It would be better for you to see the movie before you start judging it's contents rather than seeing a few clips and then thinking you know what's going on.

I. It's stress, Naruto creates countless amount of clones to do side jobs throughout the village, not three or four. If I would be an estimate ... I would say at least hundred.

No, the problem isn't Naruto's ability to use the shadow clones, it's how they operate. He uses shadow clones but they usually work for a limited amount of time. For example you wouldn't see Naruto use shadow clones in a battle all day, but this Naruto has clones that work for him contentiously all day long. Add that with the physical strain it puts on him afterwards, he's basically in an overrun continuous lap of overworking himself.

I've never heard such a statement where Naruto/Kurama molded chakra together and that was a sign of rust. They did that in the War Arc together, and they did it with Minato/Yin Kurama. So I don't know what kind of crap that is either :lol

Yeah Naruto was waiting to be saved, but he wasn't the only one that 'needed' to be saved in the fight. lol

I don't know what "rust" your referring to, both Naruto/Sasuke made a few mistakes but it wasn't oriented. Naruto fell on some rocks (I'd have to look back for the reason) but it's the same excuse you have when Sasuke was captured in chains and then slammed to the floor, and then he was later blasted with a fire release type technique and his face began to burn off.

Overall Naruto/Sasuke weren't "rusty", it's just that Momoshiki was that great in battle, despite the 'nerfs' on them only using Taijutsu/Kenjutsu.

Since Naruto's chakra was absorbed in the beginning of the fight, it all caught up to his body towards the end and his chakra mode went off. Sasuke couldn't come to his aid either, sadly.
How do you seriously explain the RSM strenght thing though that is seriously some Sh!t writing if there is no explanation for that. His combos is SM with frog kata showed more devastating blows and you can tell from it by attacks. So it is that Frog kata is only used in SM and not RSM? It didnt even seem like he had heavy blows
 

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How do you seriously explain the RSM strenght thing though that is seriously some Sh!t writing if there is no explanation for that. His combos is SM with frog kata showed more devastating blows and you can tell from it by attacks. So it is that Frog kata is only used in SM and not RSM? It didnt even seem like he had heavy blows
Naruto wasn't even at full power to begin with.

Momoshiki absorbed a large chunk of Naruto's power in the beginning so he started with a handicap.
 

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Really? Makes sense that extracted bijuu chakra has to go somewhere.
Otsutsuki fam ate his chakra like it was an appetizer XD

I think it's his Rinnegan ability that turns chakra into these fruit-like objects which he can consume, but he has other ways to absorb chakra.

I think he can convert chakra into fruits, or absorb them directly. There's really no explanation how he does it.

That also goes with their S/T jutsu which we never see.
 

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Otsutsuki fam ate his chakra like it was an appetizer XD

I think it's his Rinnegan ability that turns chakra into these fruit-like objects which he can consume, but he has other ways to absorb chakra.

I think he can convert chakra into fruits, or absorb them directly. There's really no explanation how he does it.

That also goes with their S/T jutsu which we never see.
Yea becuz he absorbed Bee also think he even made him into a fruit like Kinshiki.

Basically all the absorbing he does happens threw his rinnehand
 

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Otsutsuki fam ate his chakra like it was an appetizer XD

I think it's his Rinnegan ability that turns chakra into these fruit-like objects which he can consume, but he has other ways to absorb chakra.

I think he can convert chakra into fruits, or absorb them directly. There's really no explanation how he does it.

That also goes with their S/T jutsu which we never see.
Wait, didn't momoshiki eat the gyuki? Oh christ. Bolt killed gyuki too! D:
 
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Wait, didn't momoshiki eat the gyuki? Oh christ. Bolt killed gyuki too! D:
Momoshiki defeated KB, he did absorb his Bijuudama. They later when after Naruto because his chakra source was better

Yea becuz he absorbed Bee also think he even made him into a fruit like Kinshiki.

Basically all the absorbing he does happens threw his rinnehand
Most likely.
 
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