Naruto and Sasuke

[DHOH]

It would be better for you to see the movie before you start judging it's contents rather than seeing a few clips and then thinking you know what's going on.

I. It's stress, Naruto creates countless amount of clones to do side jobs throughout the village, not three or four. If I would put an estimate ... I would say at least hundred.

No, the problem isn't Naruto's ability to use the shadow clones, it's how they operate. He uses shadow clones but they usually work for a limited amount of time. For example you wouldn't see Naruto use shadow clones in a battle all day, but this Naruto has clones that work for him contentiously all day long. Add that with the physical strain it puts on him afterwards, he's basically in an overrun continuous lap of overworking himself.

I've never heard such a statement where Naruto/Kurama molded chakra together and that was a sign of rust. They did that in the War Arc together, and they did it with Minato/Yin Kurama. So I don't know what kind of crap that is either :lol

Yeah Naruto was waiting to be saved, but he wasn't the only one that 'needed' to be saved in the fight. lol

I don't know what "rust" your referring to, both Naruto/Sasuke made a few mistakes but it wasn't oriented. Naruto fell on some rocks (I'd have to look back for the reason) but it's the same excuse you have when Sasuke was captured in chains and then slammed to the floor, and then he was later blasted with a fire release type technique and his face began to burn off.

Overall Naruto/Sasuke weren't "rusty", it's just that Momoshiki was that great in battle, despite the 'nerfs' on them only using Taijutsu/Kenjutsu.

Since Naruto's chakra was absorbed in the beginning of the fight, it all caught up to his body towards the end and his chakra mode went off. Sasuke couldn't come to his aid either, sadly.

Nah. I'm good I've see ought to accurately judge what I've commented on.

I've ready several reviews on the movie and a lot of them says Naruto definitely had less than a dozen running around konoha and some said it could be less than a handful. But I can see that stress could be a problem.

It all depends on how many he uses.. All everyday should be a problem with all the chakra he has and especially the clones isn't wasting chakra in battle.. Besides its a time of piece would could they possibly be doing?

Why would they need to mold chakra together? They've been In sync with one another for 15 years. Rust to me..

Sasuke needed to be save from falling out the air to the ground, naruto needing saving because he was actually going to die.. I'm sure you see the difference lol.

Naruto fell and was stuck in rocks all by himself, meaning he captured himself lol.. Sasuke was actually still engaging the enemy, see the difference? Yep, Sasuke was blasted in the face with fire(by the enemy), naruto captured himself.. But that's not rust..

Overall maybe Naruto wasn't rusty, but there's no way around it.. Sasuke was by far more impressive.. Sasuke Match RSM NARUTO in speed, Taijutsu and strength,three areas that you've given Naruto the advantage.

That's just a lame excuse, Naruto probably has 100 times more chakra than Sasuke..

Sasuke came to his aid but he was done.. So Sasuke and Boruto finish the job.

 

[Seventh Sama]

He was about to use it but I guess Momoshiki can absorb it since he absorbed any ninjutsu. It would have been more difficult for them if Momoshiki used massive kage bushin

Eh true. I haven't seen a clone get absorbed b4 but it's possible.

 

[DHOH]

Eh true. I haven't seen a clone get absorbed b4 but it's possible.

Shadow possession got absorb... So anything is possible.

 

[TNC Xlll]

Eh true. I haven't seen a clone get absorbed b4 but it's possible.

What DHOH stated. A shadow possession jutsu got absorbed so I wouldn't be suprised if he absorbed a kagebushin.
Naruto was about to use it but Sasuke told him to stop.

 

[DHOH]

This is because gaiden and movies aren't canon.

Lol of course its not.. I forgot this is your manga and movie, not Kishimoto.

 

[lndra]

Nah. I'm good I've see ought to accurately judge what I've commented on.

I've ready several reviews on the movie and a lot of them says Naruto definitely had less than a dozen running around konoha and some said it could be less than a handful. But I can see that stress could be a problem.

It all depends on how many he uses.. All everyday should be a problem with all the chakra he has and especially the clones isn't wasting chakra in battle.. Besides its a time of piece would could they possibly be doing?

Why would they need to mold chakra together? They've been In sync with one another for 15 years. Rust to me..

Sasuke needed to be save from falling out the air to the ground, naruto needing saving because he was actually going to die.. I'm sure you see the difference lol.

Naruto fell and was stuck in rocks all by himself, meaning he captured himself lol.. Sasuke was actually still engaging the enemy, see the difference? Yep, Sasuke was blasted in the face with fire(by the enemy), naruto captured himself.. But that's not rust..

Overall maybe Naruto wasn't rusty, but there's no way around it.. Sasuke was by far more impressive.. Sasuke Match RSM NARUTO in speed, Taijutsu and strength,three areas that you've given Naruto the advantage.

That's just a lame excuse, Naruto probably has 100 times more chakra than Sasuke..

Sasuke came to his aid but he was done.. So Sasuke and Boruto finish the job.

Weird... you said that but a large majority of what you said isn't right :lol

Interesting, where have you seen reviews for the movie? Outside of a two known websites, there aren't many videos or large posts about the movie yet. Considering the entire movie is only out in Japan until October.

Well that's because you aren't thinking outside of the box. Naruto hasn't been doing this for a few days, he's been doing this for years, constantly. Each clone use is basically another form of yourself, imagine you going to school, but then another you going to work. Then imagine another you studying, then filing paperwork, then helping out in the village with mundane situations, and etc., All that bodily stress will pile up eventually and cause (Naruto) to become this way. Or did you think Naruto became the Hokage yesterday?

That's how Naruto and Kurama synchronize with each-other. Mind you, Naruto stopped Momoshiki's attack with a psuedo version of Asura Avatar. He had clones situated around the area, and like merging his Avatars together, each clone created a large tail while the real Naruto/Kurama formed the avatar. They were able to expand the Avatar itself so that the blast radius wouldn't affect anyone below them. I don't know what part of that is rust, you would have to showcase why Naruto wouldn't need Kurama in this situation to label it so.

Considering that Momoshiki could of killed Sasuke after he went unconscious, it's a no brainier that they were both stuck in those situations. I've talked to a few people about this situation and they all agreed that Sasuke was out cold until he began to heal himself. Since he wasn't moving, talking, or showing any response to be awake when Naruto grabbed him.

Nope. Both Naruto/Sasuke were stuck, Momoshiki captured him with chains and threw him onto the floor ensnared. This was happening while both of them were engaging the enemy, hell Naruto was only stuck between those two rocks because Momoshiki used Chibaku Tensei.

Neither were rusty based on performance, saying otherwise isn't proper judgement at all.

Nope, Sasuke never came to his aid, he was already tired like Naruto, meanwhile Momoshiki was energized. This was cut off from the short clip of the movie you saw.

 

[DHOH]

Indra

As I said in my last post, I didn't consider the stress level.. So I'll give you that.

I also didn't think about clones fusion to complete the avatar. So your right that wasn't rust..

Unconscious, still not buying it. Unconscious people don't have a grimiest facial expression of pain.. Unresponsive? Did naruto ask him a question? I just disagree. Beside he was down for four-five seconds tops..

Sasuke and Naruto was on there way down to land another attack, but Naruto got stuck in rocks and Sasuke was attack and wrapped in chains. He was not slammed, he rolled after landing.
No Naruto was stuck then momo incased him in bigger rocks. The difference is Sasuke was attack and Naruto captured himself... Before momo Attack him.

A few points you corrected me on but no excuse for him getting stuck in the rocks.



How do you think Boruto was able to get chakra from Naruto?? He just did free him because he was done.. I'm sure Sasuke said something like me and Boruto will finish this lol

 

[lndra]

Unconscious, still not buying it. Unconscious people don't have a grimiest facial expression of pain.. Unresponsive? Did naruto ask him a question? I just disagree. Beside he was down for four-five seconds tops..

Naruto went to his aid but he wasn't moving at all, his face did look like he was in pain but he was unresponsive. I'm not really sure what the explosion did to his body outside of what looked like knocking him out.

Sasuke and Naruto was on there way down to land another attack, but Naruto got stuck in rocks and Sasuke was attack and wrapped in chains. He was not slammed, he rolled after landing.
No Naruto was stuck then momo incased him in bigger rocks. The difference is Sasuke was attack and Naruto captured himself... Before momo Attack him.

I had to look back at the scene you were referring to. Both Naruto/Sasuke were going to deal a lethal a blow but Momoshiki moved out of the way, used Kinshiki's laser weapon control to make chains to grab Sasuke and pushed him out of the way, since Momoshiki moved out of the way Naruto slammed himself into the rocks, and then Momoshiki used CT.

I don't really see "rust" here at all, Momoshiki bested them.

How do you think Boruto was able to get chakra from Naruto?? He just did free him because he was done.. I'm sure Sasuke said something like me and Boruto will finish this lol

What do you mean? Momoshiki attacked Naruto but he got himself away of the situation, Sasuke was with Boruto protecting him.

They both wanted Boruto to finish him off with his Rasengan, but Boruto said he wasn't strong enough and then you can picture the rest. Father/Son moments, and then the Rasengan blah blah xD.

Sasuke did say, "Let's go Boruto"

 

[DHOH]

Naruto went to his aid but he wasn't moving at all, his face did look like he was in pain but he was unresponsive. I'm not really sure what the explosion did to his body outside of what looked like knocking him out.

I can agree with most of that but if he was really knocked out don't you think going from unconscious to conscious in 4-5 seconds is extreme? I appreciate you acknowledging Sasuke express pain on his face.

I had to look back at the scene you were referring to. Both Naruto/Sasuke were going to deal a lethal a blow but Momoshiki moved out of the way, used Kinshiki's laser weapon control to make chains to grab Sasuke and pushed him out of the way, since Momoshiki moved out of the way Naruto slammed himself into the rocks, and then Momoshiki used CT.

I don't really see "rust" here at all, Momoshiki bested them.

See i must have missed Momkinshiki moving out the way of Naruto's attack.You are correct, no rust there.

What do you mean? Momoshiki attacked Naruto but he got himself away of the situation, Sasuke was with Boruto protecting him.

They both wanted Boruto to finish him off with his Rasengan, but Boruto said he wasn't strong enough and then you can picture the rest. Father/Son moments, and then the Rasengan blah blah xD.Sasuke did say, "Let's go Boruto"

I refering to after Momoshiki's attack. The part right after Naruto hit Momo with his invisible resengan... it looks like Naruto still had the rods pierce through him...

 

[lndra]

I can agree with most of that but if he was really knocked out don't you think going from unconscious to conscious in 4-5 seconds is extreme? I appreciate you acknowledging Sasuke express pain on his face.

My only logical guess is that Momoshiki heated the area to such a high level that when it exploded, the concussive force of the explosion temporarily knocked him out for a few seconds, or Sasuke was in a large amount of pain where he couldn't move yet.

See i must have missed Momkinshiki moving out the way of Naruto's attack.You are correct, no rust there.

When Sasuke fights Kinshiki in the movie, you'll see that they are quite fast, and on par with them to an extent (meaning that they can at least stand up to Naruto/Sasuke). Momoshiki after absorbing Kinshiki was able to move quite well too, I might be wrong on this one but from memory:

>He kept up with Naruto/Sasuke's footspeed, but Sasuke's Shunshin bested him
>He was able to attack and best Naruto/Sasuke once or twice in the itself
>I believe there was a scene (not in the footage you saw) but Sasuke used Amenotjikara and Momoshiki hit him right afterwards. I think that might indicate he has some level of sensing powers?

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I refering to after Momoshiki's attack. The part right after Naruto hit Momo with his invisible resengan... it looks like Naruto still had the rods pierce through him...

Yeah that's what I was talking about, it's a scene that wasn't shown yet in the NaruSasu vs Momo fight, it happened afterwards when Momoshiki regained his strength, and the lack of Bijuu power began to take it's toll. I believe Naruto lost the ability to use his chakra mode again because of his chakra was low (Momo/Kinshiki fusion attacked Base/Regular Naruto). I'm not sure if that was stated because I didn't understand what was being said.

 

[DHOH]

My only logical guess is that Momoshiki heated the area to such a high level that when it exploded, the concussive force of the explosion temporarily knocked him out for a few seconds, or Sasuke was in a large amount of pain where he couldn't move yet.


When Sasuke fights Kinshiki in the movie, you'll see that they are quite fast, and on par with them to an extent (meaning that they can at least stand up to Naruto/Sasuke). Momoshiki after absorbing Kinshiki was able to move quite well too, I might be wrong on this one but from memory:

>He kept up with Naruto/Sasuke's footspeed, but Sasuke's Shunshin bested him
>He was able to attack and best Naruto/Sasuke once or twice in the itself
>I believe there was a scene (not in the footage you saw) but Sasuke used Amenotjikara and Momoshiki hit him right afterwards. I think that might indicate he has some level of sensing powers?

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Yeah that's what I was talking about, it's a scene that wasn't shown yet in the NaruSasu vs Momo fight, it happened afterwards when Momoshiki regained his strength, and the lack of Bijuu power began to take it's toll. I believe Naruto lost the ability to use his chakra mode again because of his chakra was low (Momo/Kinshiki fusion attacked Base/Regular Naruto). I'm not sure if that was stated because I didn't understand what was being said.

I've seen theat scene before but i didnt realize Momo hit Sasuke without even looking at him.. lol You are right again, he must have some type of sensing ability. lol thanks for the lesson

 

[lndra]

I've seen theat scene before but i didnt realize Momo hit Sasuke without even looking at him.. lol You are right again, he must have some type of sensing ability. lol thanks for the lesson

Maybe you can help me with this.

The ONE thing that doesn't make sense in this movie is Boruto's Rasengan. Sasuke said in the movie that "Boruto applied an elemental nature to his Rasengan" and in the movie Boruto uses it to best Momoshiki for a moment.

Momoshiki:

>Looks in the direction of the Rasengan with both of his eyes, and his Third Rinnegan eye + Possibly has sensing powers

BUT he doesn't notice it? Does this mean that Boruto's Rasengan literally vanishes from that space and time? Because I can't make a logical conclusion otherwise, if it just vanishes for good then he should of been able to sense it or see it with his Rinnegan eye. I'm so confused. It only makes sense if Momoshiki wasn't able to sense it because it literally disappears for good.

 

[DHOH]

Maybe you can help me with this.

The ONE thing that doesn't make sense in this movie is Boruto's Rasengan. Sasuke said in the movie that "Boruto applied an elemental nature to his Rasengan" and in the movie Boruto uses it to best Momoshiki for a moment.

Momoshiki:

>Looks in the direction of the Rasengan with both of his eyes, and his Third Rinnegan eye + Possibly has sensing powers

BUT he doesn't notice it? Does this mean that Boruto's Rasengan literally vanishes from that space and time? Because I can't make a logical conclusion otherwise, if it just vanishes for good then he should of been able to sense it or see it with his Rinnegan eye. I'm so confused. It only makes sense if Momoshiki wasn't able to sense it because it literally disappears for good.

That could very well be the case.. i guess my only problem is that i don't think Momshiki's Rinnegan doesn't work for sight purposes... but even if my theory is right Momo still should've been able to sense it.. So yea, Boruto's Resengan vanishes from time and space and comes back.

Another part of the movie that i never thought to think about..

 

[lndra]

That could very well be the case.. i guess my only problem is that i don't think Momshiki's Rinnegan doesn't work for sight purposes... but even if my theory is right Momo still should've been able to sense it.. So yea, Boruto's Resengan vanishes from time and space and comes back.

Another part of the movie that i never thought to think about..

I'd have to look back at the fight itself and look at Madara/Kaguya's use of their Third Rinnegan eye. I'm not sure if it was directly implied if they could see through it or not, but I can only assume since it sprouts from their head. If it was in a body part like the arms, hands, legs, etc., then I would just assume no...

Madara was able to sense chakra too, right? After absorbing the Shinju Tree I mean.

I feared movie rasengans because they would involve large amounts of bull. I thought we were safe because Boruto had a "RasendDori" type move to defeat Momoshiki which wouldn't result in that much of a pain. Until we were hit with the spoilers... But yeah his Rasengan defies the logic of the Naruto-Verse if so... because Kishimoto needs to explain how an elemental nature can break through time and space now :|