Naruto and sasuke now

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Hi guys. I'm going to discuss here a little bit of naruto and sasuke, their current powers, and the relation between these powers. Differently from my other threads, I'll try to make it small this time, but I can't guarantee this. Let's go.

We've seen that in the lastest chapter, it seems that sasuke finally took his susanoo to the final lvl, the final PS. His susanoo is like madara's now(the stage of the susanoo).
We know that the PS has enough power to rival the bijuus. What does this mean? It does NOT mean that PS= 1 bijuu, this is a mistaken thought. But it does NOT mean that PS= all bijuus either. It's likely that the PS has the power to face and even beat most bijuus. The PS is most likely beyond the hachibi, as we've seen by feats. Considering the destruction range of the atacks, the PS must be below kurama, but not by far. We've seen that the PS can even a reflected bijuu dama of the kyuubi.
This is sasuke's new power, so we have to keep in mind all the abilities he displayed.
Another thing, sasuke is now "borrowing" juugo's senjutsu power, so that powers up his susanoo even more, as we've seen what the CM can do.

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Naruto, on the other hand, has recently mastered the BM, he mastered the chakra of the kyuubi inside of him(50% kurama). We've seen that naruto BM also can rival the bijuus. He managed to face 5 bijuus together, as we've seen.
Naruto also managed to enter the BSM, he managed to sync the natural energy with kurama's chakra perfectly, entering SM while in BM. So, we apply the SM multipliers to the BM Naruto, and he is now even more powerful.

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Now, how is the relation between those 2? We've got naruto with his BM and sasuke with his PS, both being powers that rivals the bijuus. Sasuke's PS might reveal itself to be beyond 50% kurama, maybe equal to 100%, but not with what we've seen. Sasuke has the potential to surpass madara, so this might happen, but to have the potential doesn't mean that he is already beyond madara, it means that he can/will, one day, surpass madara. So, for now. Naruto BM= Sasuke PS
Both are also using senjutsu. Naruto is using his SM, sasuke, however, is using the power of juugo's sage transformation. The CM is a version of juugo's sage transformation, which is an incomplete SM. This means that naruto's control over natural energy is bigger. So the PS with juugo is slightly below a PS with an SM user, for exemple.
This puts us with Naruto BSM>/= Sasuke senjutsu PS

So, we've got, for now
Naruto BM(50% kurama)= Sasuke PS
Naruto BM(100% kurama)> Sasuke PS
Naruto BSM(50% kurama)>/= Sasuke senjutsu PS
Naruto BSM(100% kurama)> Sasuke senjutsu PS

As I said, sasuke can still improve his susanoo to take it to full kurama lvl, which would put him as equal to naruto BM 100% kurama. But his PS is new, he has still a lot to master about it. He might also gain another power up(in exchange for juugo's power) that would establish the equality between Naruto BSM(100% kurama) and future sasuke PS.
Thanks for the attention. Again, I wanted to make a small thread, but it didn't work. Sorry for the long post.
Remember, no fanboyism. Make smart repplies. Thanks again.
 
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Hi guys. I'm going to discuss here a little bit of naruto and sasuke, their current powers, and the relation between these powers. Differently from my other threads, I'll try to make it small this time, but I can't guarantee this. Let's go.

We've seen that in the lastest chapter, it seems that sasuke finally took his susanoo to the final lvl, the final PS. His susanoo is like madara's now(the stage of the susanoo).
We know that the PS has enough power to rival the bijuus. What does this mean? It does NOT mean that PS= 1 bijuu, this is a mistaken thought. But it does NOT mean that PS= all bijuus either. It's likely that the PS has the power to face and even beat most bijuus. The PS is most likely beyond the hachibi, as we've seen by feats. Considering the destruction range of the atacks, the PS must be below kurama, but not by far. We've seen that the PS can even a reflected bijuu dama of the kyuubi.
This is sasuke's new power, so we have to keep in mind all the abilities he displayed.
Another thing, sasuke is now "borrowing" juugo's senjutsu power, so that powers up his susanoo even more, as we've seen what the CM can do.

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Naruto, on the other hand, has recently mastered the BM, he mastered the chakra of the kyuubi inside of him(50% kurama). We've seen that naruto BM also can rival the bijuus. He managed to face 5 bijuus together, as we've seen.
Naruto also managed to enter the BSM, he managed to sync the natural energy with kurama's chakra perfectly, entering SM while in BM. So, we apply the SM multipliers to the BM Naruto, and he is now even more powerful.

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For more details, make a quick visit to these 2 threads


Now, how is the relation between those 2? We've got naruto with his BM and sasuke with his PS, both being powers that rivals the bijuus. Sasuke's PS might reveal itself to be beyond 50% kurama, maybe equal to 100%, but not with what we've seen. Sasuke has the potential to surpass madara, so this might happen, but to have the potential doesn't mean that he is already beyond madara, it means that he can/will, one day, surpass madara. So, for now. Naruto BM= Sasuke PS
Both are also using senjutsu. Naruto is using his SM, sasuke, however, is using the power of juugo's sage transformation. The CM is a version of juugo's sage transformation, which is an incomplete SM. This means that naruto's control over natural energy is bigger. So the PS with juugo is slightly below a PS with an SM user, for exemple.
This puts us with Naruto BSM>/= Sasuke senjutsu PS

So, we've got, for now
Naruto BM(50% kurama)= Sasuke PS
Naruto BM(100% kurama)> Sasuke PS
Naruto BSM(50% kurama)>/= Sasuke senjutsu PS
Naruto BSM(100% kurama)> Sasuke senjutsu PS

As I said, sasuke can still improve his susanoo to take it to full kurama lvl, which would put him as equal to naruto BM 100% kurama. But his PS is new, he has still a lot to master about it. He might also gain another power up(in exchange for juugo's power) that would establish the equality between Naruto BSM(100% kurama) and future sasuke PS.
Thanks for the attention. Again, I wanted to make a small thread, but it didn't work. Sorry for the long post.
Remember, no fanboyism. Make smart repplies. Thanks again.
That's all you had to say really, I agree.
 
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Sasuke is equal to Naruto.
Nothing you say can change that unless Sasuke and naruto is hit by the same move and sasuke stays down. Then we will know.

They actually just got owned into the ground...and Juugo is even standing. You people are looking at power, not the overall person. Naruto has changed a lot around some of you people. They are equal and always will be, I don't care for personal power opinions or w/e.
 

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It's all opinion on there power difference. We can argue that one is stronger than the other until we are blue in the face, yet that doesnt mean Sasuke>Naruto or Naruto>Sasuke. In this anime I've learned power is not everything, knowing hax jutsu is not everything, and more importantly no matter how strong you are you can always be beat. In Naruto and Sasuke case ON THIS BASE it will always be Naruto>Sasuke no matter if kishi says they are equal the base will say Naruto>Sasuke.
 

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Sasuke is equal to Naruto.
Nothing you say can change that unless Sasuke and naruto is hit by the same move and sasuke stays down. Then we will know.

They actually just got owned into the ground...and Juugo is even standing. You people are looking at power, not the overall person. Naruto has changed a lot around some of you people. They are equal and always will be, I don't care for personal power opinions or w/e.
No, he is not. They make progress as pairs. This way of thinking is a result of a missintepretation of what kishi said. It's no an opinion. I backed up my post with evidences, explanations, logic. You just stated something and didn't even care to prove.
 

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It's all opinion on there power difference. We can argue that one is stronger than the other until we are blue in the face, yet that doesnt mean Sasuke>Naruto or Naruto>Sasuke. In this anime I've learned power is not everything, knowing hax jutsu is not everything, and more importantly no matter how strong you are you can always be beat. In Naruto and Sasuke case ON THIS BASE it will always be Naruto>Sasuke no matter if kishi says they are equal the base will say Naruto>Sasuke.
I'm basically putting them as equals or almost equals. And it's just opinions. If it was my opinion, I would've said only the math relations.I made explanations, I used logic, evidences to suport my point. That's how an argument is made.
 

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So, we've got, for now
Naruto BM(50% kurama)= Sasuke PS
Naruto BM(100% kurama)> Sasuke PS
Naruto BSM(50% kurama)>/= Sasuke senjutsu PS
Naruto BSM(100% kurama)> Sasuke senjutsu PS
Yo dude. Nice thread. I agree with you on some parts, besides the ones listed above. I believe that Sasuke will not have "senjutsu" after this battle with Jubito. This is a borrowed power from Jugo, and the only reason why he can handle it easily is because he use to have CM. This is how I believe the Naruto series will play out between Naruto and Sasuke.

Naruto--------Sasuke
Initial Form--------CM1 3T
KC V1--------CM2 3T
KC V2--------MS
SM--------MS FS
KCM--------EMS
BM(50%)--------EMS S
SM + BM--------EMS FS
BM(100%)--------PS

CM - Curse Mark
3T - 3 Tomtoe
FS - Full Susanoo
KC - Kyuubi Chakra

-The reason why this list is so accurate is because it follows a chronological pattern. Each "power up" is written down as the manga progressed.
-This list does contain some flaws;
1) We haven't seen Sasuke's true powers with his EMS FS
2) We haven't seen Sasuke's ability to produce PS (chapter 650 kinda confirmed it, but its better to wait till next week instead of jumping to conclusions)
3) We haven't seen Naruto's full Bijuu Mode with Yin and Yang.
4) Bijuu mode (100%) should be Naruto's strongest form, equal to that of PS. However, Naruto has demonstrated the ability to use Sage Mode while in Bijuu mode, however, hes only shown us him using this with 50% of Kurama. When he uses 100% Kurama, the amount of power is will increase as well as how fast he can enter sage mode.

Thanks for reading.
 
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