Naruto and Sasuke are not equals. Kishi has been showing from thebegining...

[mayibongwe]

The manga is about cooperation and teamwork. And how you can't achieve everything alone. OP is clearly too simple minded to get it.

you see thats what happens when you chiose to reply to one part part of a thread.

I said that is just Kishimoto's philosphy, what he wants to tell the world.

but that dpes not make it imminent or true. a person who succed alone will preach self training/motivation or wateva...

and a spoonfed person will sayyou need help...

thats theme of story cool... but its annoying.

 

[5Gazer]

I like both naruto and sasuke but the way ya ride sasuke meat stick is disgraceful at the end of the day they both work for their powers specially naruto, naruto never forced kurama to give him power or the other 8 bijuu's they willingly gave it to him, if some one give you $100 it belongs to you can do what you won't with it that goes for naruto kurama is his power rather you like it or not deal with it naruto and sasuke have they own way of obtaining power. Ps if you wanna talk about stolen power you need to talk about MADARA, OROCHIMARU and KABUTO

 

[Leinad Sotam]

I think the morality of the story is friendship, cooperation and being one just not with only ourselves but others to...

That´s my perspective on the message.

 

[Ultimateone]

let me simplify even further:
kyuubi -> living, breathing, character with brain and chakra.

Naruto -> kekkei genkai:uzumaki blood sage body basically

Sasuke -> kekkei genkai : sharingan sage eyes basically

why does Naruto need another living enctity with its own kekkei genkai to fight one character

uzumaki's large chakra pools are not considered kekkei. why? because you don't have to be born a senju or uzumaki to have large chakra pools. take Ay and his father for example, they have no connection to the sage that we know of and they have bijuu level chakra. so naruto has no kekkei.

also sasuke receiving EMS is him gaining an outside power. when you get EMS you get extra eyes, and their power mixes with that of what was already in the eyes. hence why they evolve into new ones making a combined pattern. sure they have to use their own chakra to use it, but it doesn't matter as they still gain new power. also, with naruto's own power he gained sage mode which put him at o beyond the power of sasuke's MS. sasuke had to gain the power of EMS, which is his brothers eye's, in order to go beyond sage mode naruto. thus BM naruto goes beyond EMS, and you have to people with a power that came externally. so in reality they are either equals, or naruto surpasses him, because naruto can combine sage mode with BM.

 

[mayibongwe]

I like both naruto and sasuke but the way ya ride sasuke meat stick is disgraceful at the end of the day they both work for their powers specially naruto, naruto never forced kurama to give him power or the other 8 bijuu's they willingly gave it to him, if some one give you $100 it belongs to you can do what you won't with it that goes for naruto kurama is his power rather you like it or not deal with it naruto and sasuke have they own way of obtaining power. Ps if you wanna talk about stolen power you need to talk about MADARA, OROCHIMARU and KABUTO

Yoh dude, my questions is.... WHY IS IT THE MAIN CHARACTER THAT IS SPOONFED.

dude yeah Naruto never forced the kyuubi.... but minato did.

No1 will force another person to give me $100. what are you talking about. as if, if Kyuubi was gonna decide to dwell in a Kid's bell.

why cant Naruto actually train hard to as powerfull as he is.

what is happening is bs -> a genie out Nowhere comes and grants them powers, thats bs man.

 

[5Gazer]

sorry that doesn't make sense as an argument, because you say that then you have to concede that everyone has chakra from Juubi so everyone has something from a tailed beast

Ok so why are we still debating about this for so if that's the fact everyone in NV have borrowed powers including the uchiha the uchiha power came from the juubi and the 9tails so what's the point in this whole borrowed power shit

 

[ex killer]

Naruto and Sasuke are not equals. let me put it in php code:

$Naruto != Sasuke; //this means naruto is not equal to Sasuke.

$Naruto + $bijuu == Sasuke; // this means naruto plus bijuu is equal to sasuke.

now this is not some praise Sasuke crapy-post bcoz i dont like the idea of that type of main character.

but i believe that the sooner we accept Kishimoto's philosophy the sooner these Naruto vs Sasuke threads stop.

Kishimoto has programmed people reach a state of mind where they consolidate themselves and their naruto solos statements - which is crap. the only powerfull powerup naruto archieved on his own is the sage mode, which Kishi rendered it not effective, which is why he needs kyuubi to maintain it longer.

Now, why must the main actor, the one that the story is named after: always rely on people and bijuus (which is another living enctity), why cant the main actor be original for once, atleast the end...

and some may argue that Sasuke is using his brother's eyes however - bottom line is... his brother never gave him all that chakra he is spamming and his taijutsu. as a matter of fact Sasuke has been training to surpass his brother from a very tender age., while Naruto was running around with paint buckets.

you see, Kishimoto is very comfortable with that, maybe thats the message he wants to send because maybe thats how he succeded. he never did on his own - maybe.

So lets just accept it and enjoy other manga aswell. i mean e.g look at bleach Ichigo is so original right now its awesome. look at Goku, look at Erin, a weak titan - combat wise but its good.

Even Ashura was using bijuu to fight his brother. thats just how Kishi wants. hashirama was an ecception.

Thank You!

okay let me make it simple

in terms of chakra

naruto chakra>sasuke chakra
because naruto is from uzumaki clan an well know for there strong chakra
and do u know why kasuma(naruto mother)was the host of karama ??
beacuse she has a strong chakra type and only people with strong chakra can host a tail beast
if u dont believe it go check the manga
another fact only people with strong chakra can learn sage mode
if u dont believe go check the manga

naruto sage mode>ms susuke
even zetsu said that during naruto vs pain

susuke should be blind by now if it wasn't for his brother eyes

so deal with it without any power up
naruto>sasuke

with power up
naruto==sasuke

 

[Sennin007]

naruto tamed 9tailed beast and befriended him + sage earned by trainning and strong jutsu odama rasenshuriken.. best sensor type aliveand the fastest has BSM BM KCM SM > Sasuke blessed with a kekkei genkai sharingan +curse mode earned by orochimaru bite+ems stolen from his dead brother + jugo senjutsu

 

[YellowFang]

I don't get from where people get that Ashura was way weaker than Indra and needed strong cooperation[power of Bijuu] to even stand his ground...

A/c to sage, Ashura trained himself hard to be able to get closer to his brother and

In the end, Ashura was fairly equal to Indra. That's why the war they raged never ended till now...

 

[mayibongwe]

read this --> narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=479120

 

[Enialus]

don't get me wrong here the manga is named Naruto for a reason. what does it matter if the powers are borrowed or not. isnt their most current form of either Naruto or Sasuke all that matters. By that point view them gaining power at same time almost all the time mean their equal

 

[Reboryushon]

Equals.

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[WreckRolled]

OP is clearly too ignorant to understand the themes in Naruto.

Let me explain this in a way you can understand.

Your beloved Itachi tried everything by himself and he failed- he even admited that much, Itachi realized they you need help in order to succeed. That's a real life message, good luck getting by solo- cause in the real world nobody gives a dam how you make it.

Allowing others to help you is a pro not a weakness moron. Clearly, you can't take your retard lens off to realize that.

Your case is clear bigotry, obviously having people want to help you is a good thing, deal with it, power is power, nobody gives a shit how you get it. Do you think military leaders conquered nations solo? No, they had armies.

Go complain about kaguya becoming a god by eating a fruit, Blackbeard stealing devil fruits, etc...

Even if you were right about your so called "borrowed power" your conclusion is completely erroneous.

Lets compare Sasuke without friendship powerups to Naruto under the same criteria.

Naruto looses kuruma.

Sasuke looses EMS since it is itachi's eyes.

So basically, without other people bestowing power, We have sage mode naruto vs MS Sasuke.

Furthmore, after kage summit, so after a few battles, Sasuke basically went blind.

Without outside help, we have sage mode naruto who is kage level vs blind Sasuke who is zetsu level.

GTFO--; SM naruto babyshakes blind Sasuke.

How is EMS borrowed power ?

 

[Tobi98]

How is EMS borrowed power ?

One of the MS is not his.... :|

 

[Mahesvara]

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plus sasuke need juugo senjutsu, kyuubi chakra for half BSM level.

Exactly! The OP has been schooled.

 

[Flakez]

How is EMS borrowed power ?

Okay, it's stolen power.

 

[Mahesvara]

How is EMS borrowed power ?

Itachi's eye's increased the power of Sasuke's MS abilities to add to the fact it keeps him from being blind. It's considered borrowed power because they eye's are Itachi's not his.

 

[WreckRolled]

One of the MS is not his.... :|

it wasn't his, he took it, now he has it, it's not borrowed, it's his now

 

[WreckRolled]

Okay, it's stolen power.

stolen, not borrowed

 

[WreckRolled]

Itachi's eye's increased the power of Sasuke's MS abilities to add to the fact it keeps him from being blind. It's considered borrowed power because they eye's are Itachi's not his.

naruto has another living and intelligent being in him, it's 2v1 basically, bm is not his power, not his chakra, it's his pal kurama helping out, sasuke gained power that is now his own