Naruto and Nagato's Talk

[chickmashine]

So, what is to come from this talk? I'm not sure why Naruto is talking to Nagato but there has to be some kind of conclusion...

So there are two different options that are mutually exclusive to another.

1. • Obviously, option one must be Naruto and Nagato end in conflict. Naruto and Nagato envision two different concepts of peace. Naruto wants to achieve peace by forgiving all villages for their former mistakes as long as they also have peace as their ultimate goal. (If they oppose peace they must clearly be eliminated.)
     
     
   • Nagato on the other hand would have justice as his main goal. As an act of justice he would destroy all villages that attacked his village and for ever punish people who make mistakes. This conflicts with peace but justice is one of Nagato's main beliefs.
   Naruto would want to discard justice and forgive everyone. Nagato on the other hand would want to enfore justice upon everyone, only leaving those free of sins, excluding himself. Nagato and Naruto would have to fight to death.
   
   
   
2. Naruto has recognized the issue with Nagato's views on peace. To create peace, one must give up on constant justice. Because of the "chain of hatred" he repeatably speaks of. If one village commits a crime the affected village will react as an act of "justice." The logical consequence that Naruto has recognized is that he must give up on revenge and justice for Jiraya and only desire peace.
   
   If Naruto can explain this to Nagato and Nagato accepts this as true and a sincere way to peace then they may actually become allies. They share "Peace" as their ultimate goal and Nagato might rethink his misconception for Naruto's views if he recognizes them as true

I want to make you guys consider one thing.

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Notice that the sage says: "THEY" Maybe it's the power of both combined which would support the second scenario.

 

[rhin0]

thanks for this post.

yah i have to say thati cant see a member of akatsuki becoming freinds with the hidden leaf.
I wonder if the akatsuki is like a gang? blood in, blood out...haha

 

[Buu]

Nagato isn't going to like what he hears.

I think, untill Nagato and Madara get to talking, he won't change. His Ego has taken him too deep.

 

[Buu]

futhermore,

Nagato uses circlar logic.
It's tough

Naruto will forgive him then finish him.

 

[sandshark]

The entire "they" thing may just be a translation hiccup. Japanese to english is a little tricky.
I don't know what Nagato's reaction will be, I'm not even sure he's going to survive this ordeal. He's been coughing up a lot of blood.

 

[chickmashine]

The entire "they" thing may just be a translation hiccup. Japanese to english is a little tricky.
I don't know what Nagato's reaction will be, I'm not even sure he's going to survive this ordeal. He's been coughing up a lot of blood.

shit, you're right.

p.13
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G Toad: That apprentice will bring a great change to the shinobi world.
G Toad: I saw this in my dream.

Jiraiya: Change?

G Toad: He will bring either unprecedented peace...or unprecedented destruction to the world.
G Toad: One of these.

Jiraiya: One of them?
Jiraiya: What do you mean?

G Toad: You will guide the one to bring the change.
G Toad: And there will come a time when you must make a great decision.

Jiraiya: A decision?


p.14
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G Toad: That decision...
G Toad: will decide which change comes to pass.

Jiraiya: ...What...
Jiraiya: What should I do?
Jiraiya: How will I know what choice to make?

G Toad: In my dream, you were wandering the world, writing books.

Jiraiya: Books?
Jiraiya: Why that?

G Toad: I don't know meself.
G Toad: You travel the world and maybe even see all nature everywhere.

Jiraiya: Have your prophecies...
Jiraiya: ever not come to pass?

crap, this kind of overthrows my theory -.-"

 

[Koo]

Singular they
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"Singular" they is a popular, non-technical expression for uses of the pronoun they (and its inflected forms) when plurality is not required by the context. The Chicago Manual of Style notes:

"On the one hand, it is unacceptable to a great many reasonable readers to use the generic masculine pronoun (he in reference to no one in particular). On the other hand, it is unacceptable to a great many readers either to resort to nontraditional gimmicks to avoid the generic masculine (by using he/she or s/he, for example) or to use they as a kind of singular pronoun. Either way, credibility is lost with some readers."[1]

"Singular" they does, in fact, remain morphologically and syntactically plural (it still takes plural forms of verbs). However, it is often semantically indeterminate in number. More technically, these uses can be described as generic or epicene they.

 

[Orion]

we don't know what is the meaning of they here!!!!!!!!!!They may mean either both of them or either of them.............

 

[ThePain]

we don't know what is the meaning of they here!!!!!!!!!!They may mean either both of them or either of them.............

absolutely correct

 

[Emperor]

However, the possibility of one of the Akatsuki befriending Naruto could be Nagato/Pain since they both share the same b.ground.......it's possible, but not too likely.....

 

[FatBACKATTACK]

I'd rather Kisame have been a top secret undercover agent for Itachi because they became good friends or something. He ends up saving Sasuke AND Naruto from Madara.. Doubt it'd happen, but it would be SICK!

 

[icci20]

I think the talk is simply for the readers to learn why pain is the way he is, then naruto will give his answer....then Nagato will die from exhaustion.