Naruto and Bee vs Obito and Kabuto

[Brother Numpsay]

War arc scenario.

Restriction: Mixing SM and BM for Naruto. Edo Tensei/Edo Paths.

Conditions: Obito has 6POP Paths feats. Makyō no Ran can be separated from Doki's (summon) body. Using Deva Path, MS gets 5 secs interval too.

New Restrictions: All forms of wide AoE offense that the Rinnegan gives Obito

Intel: Manga

 

[Null Man]

Jinchuriki win mid diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Jinchuriki win mid diff.

A mid diff battle means its not balance. Share how its a Mid diff battle?

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito and Kabuto win mid diff. Obito might even solo given the addition of the Rinnegan techniques.

-Killer B is shut down with Rinnegan's stakes if he enters Bijuu Mode. If not, Manda II crushes him, or Obito warps him with Kamui or he sucks his chakra dry with Preta Path and rips out his soul if he wants to solo. B can literally do nothing here.

-Naruto's clones are phased through with Kamui and then repelled and killed with Shinra Tensei. Countering Kamui with clones won't work since Obito can literally stand there and watch Naruto phase through him for 5 seconds only to repel and kill them all with Kamui again. This makes Obito almost untouchable by Naruto's clones.

-Any attack that isn't Bijuu Dama is absorbed via Preta Path or phased through with Kamui. Bijuu Dama itself is phased through using Kamui. If Naruto even decides to fight using the Kurama Avatar here, Kamui+Rinnegan stakes=Pinned down and suppressed BM Naruto. That's when Obito sucks his Avatar up with Preta Path and then warps him with Kamui or kills him with Human Path or a Full Power Shinra Tensei. If Naruto fights small scale with clones and Rasengan variants and Shunshin, then Gedo Mazo would stomp obliterate him. If he goes Kurama Mode to take out the Mazo, then once again, Rinnegan stakes pin him.

-Flash Shunshin is irrelevant as Kamui is automatic when the Mangekyo is active.

-Sage Mode clones are fodder here. No explanation necessary.

Yup. 100% sure that Obito solos these two. Mid difficulty. Kabuto's assistance only means that he doesn't need to deal with B, since Kabuto can solo.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Conditions changed a bit.

 

[KidGamer65]

So basically if Obito phases he has to wait for 5 seconds to do it again? If so then Obito might have some issues taking out Naruto. But even then, if Naruto rushes him and for some reason he can't react, he'd phase through it, then his Kamui is on the prescribed cooldown. Then if Naruto rushes him again Obito just responds with a Shinra Tensei to destroy the clones. The only way Naruto can truly shut down that combo is if he can attack Obito, phase through him, and then attack Obito, get repelled by ST only to attack again all before Kamui's 5 secs are up. But there's no way he can do that.

Obito still solos. Even if the restriction is too much on Obito, Kabuto's help is still here, and with that they definitely win since B is pretty much a non factor.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

New conditions... Lel.

 

[Draegod]

Obito and Kabuto win mid diff. Obito might even solo given the addition of the Rinnegan techniques.

-Killer B is shut down with Rinnegan's stakes if he enters Bijuu Mode. If not, Manda II crushes him, or Obito warps him with Kamui or he sucks his chakra dry with Preta Path and rips out his soul if he wants to solo. B can literally do nothing here.

-Naruto's clones are phased through with Kamui and then repelled and killed with Shinra Tensei. Countering Kamui with clones won't work since Obito can literally stand there and watch Naruto phase through him for 5 seconds only to repel and kill them all with Kamui again. This makes Obito almost untouchable by Naruto's clones.

-Any attack that isn't Bijuu Dama is absorbed via Preta Path or phased through with Kamui. Bijuu Dama itself is phased through using Kamui. If Naruto even decides to fight using the Kurama Avatar here, Kamui+Rinnegan stakes=Pinned down and suppressed BM Naruto. That's when Obito sucks his Avatar up with Preta Path and then warps him with Kamui or kills him with Human Path or a Full Power Shinra Tensei. If Naruto fights small scale with clones and Rasengan variants and Shunshin, then Gedo Mazo would stomp obliterate him. If he goes Kurama Mode to take out the Mazo, then once again, Rinnegan stakes pin him.

-Flash Shunshin is irrelevant as Kamui is automatic when the Mangekyo is active.

-Sage Mode clones are fodder here. No explanation necessary.

Yup. 100% sure that Obito solos these two. Mid difficulty. Kabuto's assistance only means that he doesn't need to deal with B, since Kabuto can solo.

Manda 2 solos bee now? Haha I remember when you and your friends laughed at me and ejblack for making a case how he would help aid kabuto let alone solo.

 

[KidGamer65]

Manda 2 solos bee now? Haha I remember when you and your friends laughed at me and ejblack for making a case how he would help aid kabuto let alone solo.

Never said Manda 2 solos B. I'll still laugh at anyone who claims that. I said that if B doesn't use Bijuu Mode, Manda II crushes him. So basically I'm saying that Manda II>V2 B.

Anyway, these new conditions make it harder for Obito to deal with clone spam and such, but he sitll has the Asura Path lasers. Naruto can't tank these and their wide AoE along with the fact that Obito can nuke himself and any clones in the area since he'd just phase through the explosion means that Naruto's clones would be toast if they rushed in. Kamui ensures that Naruto won't be able to touch him. Then there's the fact that most jutsu that would injure Obito to the point of death are useless since he'd just absorb them.

Obito still solos bruh. Restrict all forms of wide AoE offense that the Rinnegan gives Obito, because combined with Kamui, it's the perfect crowd control. Add that to the fact that the Kurama Avatar is useless here since he won't be able to hurt Obito, and Naruto doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Draegod]

Never said Manda 2 solos B. I'll still laugh at anyone who claims that. I said that if B doesn't use Bijuu Mode, Manda II crushes him. So basically I'm saying that Manda II>V2 B.

Anyway, these new conditions make it harder for Obito to deal with clone spam and such, but he sitll has the Asura Path lasers. Naruto can't tank these and their wide AoE along with the fact that Obito can nuke himself and any clones in the area since he'd just phase through the explosion means that Naruto's clones would be toast if they rushed in. Kamui ensures that Naruto won't be able to touch him. Then there's the fact that most jutsu that would injure Obito to the point of death are useless since he'd just absorb them.

Obito still solos bruh. Restrict all forms of wide AoE offense that the Rinnegan gives Obito, because combined with Kamui, it's the perfect crowd control. Add that to the fact that the Kurama Avatar is useless here since he won't be able to hurt Obito, and Naruto doesn't stand a chance.

Manda 2 goes under ground btw for any tbb attempt. But I do agree bee beats manda 2 overall

 

[Null Man]

A mid diff battle means its not balance. Share how its a Mid diff battle?

Sorry, I just realised from KG's post that you gave Obito 6PoP Rinnegan jutsu instead of his 6PoP jins in your initial conditions.

Obito definitely solos if he gets all Nagato's feats. Like KG said Kamui combined with all Rinnegan techs is so hax it completely tips the scales on Obito's team favor.

If Naruto fights small scale with clones and Rasengan variants and Shunshin, then Gedo Mazo would stomp obliterate him.

Wouldn't a barrage of FRS or giant FRS take GM out of the commission though?

 

[KidGamer65]

Sorry, I just realised from KG's post that you gave Obito 6PoP Rinnegan jutsu instead of his 6PoP jins in your initial conditions.

Obito definitely solos if he gets all Nagato's feats. Like KG said Kamui combined with all Rinnegan techs is so hax it completely tips the scales on Obito's team favor.



Wouldn't a barrage of FRS or giant FRS take GM out of the commission though?

Naruto can't use a barrage of FRS like he does with Rasengan, especially not Giant FRS. If Naruto uses multiple FRS, then the Gedo Mazo's roar/shockwave should be enough to blow them away. If he uses Giant FRS, then Obito intercepts and absorbs it.

 

[Null Man]

Naruto can't use a barrage of FRS like he does with Rasengan, especially not Giant FRS.

I meant as in throwing multiple RS from his clones not like Rasen Tarengan and definitely not a a Chou FRS Rasen Tarengan barrage lol. Either several of regular RS or a Chou FRS should be able to damage GM.

If Naruto uses multiple FRS, then the Gedo Mazo's roar/shockwave should be enough to blow them away. If he uses Giant FRS, then Obito intercepts and absorbs it.

Ohk, just wanted to point out that in a small scale fight between GM vs BM clones w/o the BM avatar.

 

[KidGamer65]

I meant as in throwing multiple RS from his clones not like Rasen Tarengan and definitely not a a Chou FRS Rasen Tarengan barrage lol. Either several of regular RS or a Chou FRS should be able to damage GM.



Ohk, just wanted to point out that in a small scale fight between GM vs BM clones w/o the BM avatar.

Oh. Lmao. Alright, then Mazo's Roar would blow the FRS away considering a simple Shinra Tensei from Deva Path blew Naruto's RS away.

If it's Gedo Mazo alone vs. BM Naruto w/o his Avatar then I'd agree that Naruto can possibly defeat it. But with Obito's support? Nah.

 

[Null Man]

If it's Gedo Mazo alone vs. BM Naruto w/o his Avatar then I'd agree that Naruto can possibly defeat it. But with Obito's support? Nah.

I know, that's why I only replied to the part you said GM would obliterate BM w/o avatar in a small scale fight.

 

[Rιver]

Obito and Kabuto win mid diff. Obito might even solo given the addition of the Rinnegan techniques.

-Killer B is shut down with Rinnegan's stakes if he enters Bijuu Mode. If not, Manda II crushes him, or Obito warps him with Kamui or he sucks his chakra dry with Preta Path and rips out his soul if he wants to solo. B can literally do nothing here.

-Naruto's clones are phased through with Kamui and then repelled and killed with Shinra Tensei. Countering Kamui with clones won't work since Obito can literally stand there and watch Naruto phase through him for 5 seconds only to repel and kill them all with Kamui again. This makes Obito almost untouchable by Naruto's clones.

-Any attack that isn't Bijuu Dama is absorbed via Preta Path or phased through with Kamui. Bijuu Dama itself is phased through using Kamui. If Naruto even decides to fight using the Kurama Avatar here, Kamui+Rinnegan stakes=Pinned down and suppressed BM Naruto. That's when Obito sucks his Avatar up with Preta Path and then warps him with Kamui or kills him with Human Path or a Full Power Shinra Tensei. If Naruto fights small scale with clones and Rasengan variants and Shunshin, then Gedo Mazo would stomp obliterate him. If he goes Kurama Mode to take out the Mazo, then once again, Rinnegan stakes pin him.

-Flash Shunshin is irrelevant as Kamui is automatic when the Mangekyo is active.

-Sage Mode clones are fodder here. No explanation necessary.

Yup. 100% sure that Obito solos these two. Mid difficulty. Kabuto's assistance only means that he doesn't need to deal with B, since Kabuto can solo.

Obito's intangibility shouldn't be passive.

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[Haizaki]

Obito solos.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito's intangibility shouldn't be passive.

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He most likely didn't have MS active then or he wanted to remain tangible then, cause the explanation Kakashi gave makes it sound like it's passive.

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Whenever something hits Obito, the part that is being hit is moved to the other dimension, giving the effect

Then there's the little incident with Rin where he tried to grab her, but failed to do so because he slipped through her.

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And when he consciously turned it off or whatever, he was able to touch her. The subject has always confused me tbh.

 

[Rιver]

He most likely didn't have MS active then or he wanted to remain tangible then, cause the explanation Kakashi gave makes it sound like it's passive.

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Whenever something hits Obito, the part that is being hit is moved to the other dimension, giving the effect

Then there's the little incident with Rin where he tried to grab her, but failed to do so because he slipped through her.

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And when he consciously turned it off or whatever, he was able to touch her. The subject has always confused me tbh.

Actually, I think now that intangibility is a mode where user remotely activates the intangibility. It would make perfect sense, but then again that means Obito would have to react and remotely activate it against enemies.

 

[Xlad]

Obito solos so damn hard. But not better than Tobidara though.