naruto 9tsb
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The coffin seal is just the jutsu to turn u into the jinchuriki right?
Anyway I concede Obito was using RSM and TSB at that time, but the DB is still bunk and TSB being related to Juubi chakra is the only logical assumption
And the name of the form madara and obito take according to the DB, but if we disregard the DB then the name of both modes is just rikudo senjutsu not RSM or coffin seal.
Yeah it does make more sense and it also explains why naruto didn't have it in his initial RSM(before he started glowing) and also why he doesn't have it now.
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This is not right. Six Paths Sage Mode is a state in which the user utilizes Six Paths Senjutsu chakra and use Six Paths Senjutsu. It's the same.
@bold Not really. Naruto did not retain his former chakra after meeting the Sage, yet he retained his regular Sage Mode (as shown in Gaiden). So basically, Rikodou chakra buffs everything belonging to Naruto including his Base Mode, Sage Mode etc but there are no visual differences, just boost in power. Rikodou chakra + natural energy is just Sage Mode, not Six Paths Sage Mode.
I guess the conclusion is Six Paths Sage Mode and Coffin Seal both produce rikudou senjutsu. Basically Naruto recieved all of what Maddy and Obito had plus the heightened Mental State of Hagaromo himself.
Hagaromos Mental Wisdom being the only difference.
Hagaromos Mental Wisdom being the only difference.
Not quite, naruto's doesn't have toad eye markings something only previously observed when RSM was in use. All rikudo senjutsu users have rikudo chakra just as all rinnegan users have rikudo chakra. This is seen with obito, despite no longer being a jinchuriki he still retained the six paths chakra. U_U
Naruto still has TSM but he did retain his RSM just not in the form it was during the war.
This is valuable right here ^^^ Thanks man. This is what that other guy was trying to say. This could mean that his eyes really dont consider him in RSM, rather only if the TSB are present.
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No, it's ashura mode that grant tsb. I know what you are thinking...HASHIRAMA right? Well it's safe to say hashi and maddy haven't reached their prime during their era that was why hashi had no rsm and maddy had no rinnegan
I think he is right as the DB portrays RSM as the form with the orbs in his back.
Of course he still has RSM as Sasuke still has Rinnegan. The last movie cannot be used as proof of loss because only taijutsu worked against Momoshiki
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Ignore the DB it makes a distinction between naruto's mode and madara's something the manga doesn't support. Rikudo chakra or juubi chakra is the key component to rikudo senjutsu. If naruto loses the rikudo chakra than he doesn't have RSM anymore. One can't have a form called rikudo sage mode without rikudo chakra.
It is not the key as Hagaromo had it b4 even becoming a Jubbi Jin and also Tenseigan has them. The Juubi is NOT needed. And you cant ignore DB facts. One thing they ALL have in common is Six Paths Chakra not Juubi chakra.
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Are you talking about RSM? If yes, then Naruto still has the plus signed eyes without pigmentation in RSM.
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And this is Rikodou chakra + natural energy ^^^.
Yes, I'm aware of that.
His RSM was the same form as it was in the war i.e. plus signed eyes without pigmentation. His cloak was created because of the 9 bijuus chakra which is not so important for RSM.
And if he still has TSM and he does not have his former chakra, then obviously he's using TSM with Rikodou chakra. Which proves my point that Rikodou chakra + natural energy = SM. RSM is different.
Basically, what I meant was that Rikodou chakra buffs everything including Base Mode, Sage Mode etc. So everything is empowered by Rikodou chakra, but they are still what they are i.e. SM with Rikodou chakra is still SM, not RSM. RSM =/= SM + Rikodou chakra, it's different.
@bold No, eyes do tell which mode Naruto is in. Whether it is SM, BM, BSM, RSM, all is signified by the eyes. TSB are present probably because either drawing the bijuus chakra or if Naruto chooses to manifest them himself. In RSM, TSBs can be present or not depending upon Naruto's choice, so we can't know whether he's in RSM based on that. But eyes will never lie.
Yes.
Agreed.
Agreed.
This is where I am confused, are you saying naruto's chakra has been replaced completely by rikudo chakra? If so then what makes RSM different from the SM you described in the above?
It is the key, hogoromo is kaguya's son and she is the juubi pretty much so he inherited some of her power. This is why those who become jinchuriki of the juubi are said to have the same power as the sage of six paths. Rikudo chakra came from kaguya so it all fits.
I can ignore DB when the manga doesn't support it an example is temari blowing away the universe or naruto comprehending all of creation. Comprehending all of creation means having knowledge of all creation, this includes past, present and future which are part of creation. It is obvious naruto doesn't have that power. The DB in my view should only be used when it doesn't contradict the manga and only when the manga supports it.
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How can the juubi be just endless natural energy when naruto clearly said kaguya had more chakra than the juubi?
Nothing can be greater than endless/infinite. If something is then the former was never endless. The juubi=kaguya+shinju.
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Naruto still has RSM and TSBs as well.
The Reason naruto didn't use it in Gaiden(which is not a part of Main Story and it was a side story) its because it would one shot anyone I.e. Shins and Momoshiki as neither of them possess Senjutsu to be able to touch TSBs.
In order to make the fight interesting and to make naruto look on par with Momoshiki,Kishi degrade Naruto.
Its the same as Naruto didn't use any of his Other 8 bijuu's chakra after kaguya arc even when Hagoromo pointed out that naruto still had their chakra.
Its the same as Madara didn't use any of his wood techniques after juubi's revival even when madara still had hashi's cells.
The Reason naruto didn't use it in Gaiden(which is not a part of Main Story and it was a side story) its because it would one shot anyone I.e. Shins and Momoshiki as neither of them possess Senjutsu to be able to touch TSBs.
In order to make the fight interesting and to make naruto look on par with Momoshiki,Kishi degrade Naruto.
Its the same as Naruto didn't use any of his Other 8 bijuu's chakra after kaguya arc even when Hagoromo pointed out that naruto still had their chakra.
Its the same as Madara didn't use any of his wood techniques after juubi's revival even when madara still had hashi's cells.
Kyuubi described the juubis chakra as an incomprehensible power of the natural world. Naruto proved this by sensing it. And the juubi IS and always was kaguya.Anyway Naruto does not have 10 tails chakra. Rather each of the 9 bijuu tails chakra respectively. Only Six Paths Senjutsu(Sage Mode State of Being) is reqcuired for TSB its the only thing each of them ALL had in common and DB confirms this fact
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