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Kyuubi described the juubis chakra as an incomprehensible power of the natural world. Naruto proved this by sensing it. And the juubi IS and always was kaguya.Anyway Naruto does not have 10 tails chakra. Rather each of the 9 bijuu tails chakra respectively. Only Six Paths Senjutsu(Sage Mode State of Being) is reqcuired for TSB its the only thing each of them ALL had in common and DB confirms this fact
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The juubi is not made up of natural energy it clearly has chakra or the above won't make sense. I never said naruto did have juubi chakra, but those who have the juubi's chakra gain the six paths powers, fact. Like I said the DB contradicts the manga more often then not. I have given you examples of temari and naruto.
 

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The juubi is not made up of natural energy it clearly has chakra or the above won't make sense. I never said naruto did have juubi chakra, but those who have the juubi's chakra gain the six paths powers, fact. Like I said the DB contradicts the manga more often then not. I have given you examples of temari and naruto.
Yes I see. But its still obvious the only thing needed for TSB is six paths senjutsu. And also they write the DB according to current hype and revealed power levels. They even got rid of the scoring to be fair to every character. Its not contridicting. Its updating
 

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How can the juubi be just endless natural energy when naruto clearly said kaguya had more chakra than the juubi?

Nothing can be greater than endless/infinite. If something is then the former was never endless. The juubi=kaguya+shinju.
I think it's like saying there are near infinite stars in the universe but if our solar system were to be packed full of stars the solar system would crumble and fall apart. You can have infinite of something but not all at the same time, I think. I might have made myself look like an idiot but oh wells.

OT: pretty sure they have 10 TSBs not 9.
 

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The juubi is not made up of natural energy it clearly has chakra or the above won't make sense. I never said naruto did have juubi chakra, but those who have the juubi's chakra gain the six paths powers, fact. Like I said the DB contradicts the manga more often then not. I have given you examples of temari and naruto.
It is Natural energy I just reread and kyuubi says its the same energy that circulates the entire world in the earth, water and air. He states its a bit different than hermit mode though. Thats why when the juubi appeared nobody could sense its power. Naruto then went into sage mode and said "well if thats natural energy". Here is the link you read the rest.

 

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Yes.



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Agreed.



This is where I am confused, are you saying naruto's chakra has been replaced completely by rikudo chakra? If so then what makes RSM different from the SM you described in the above?
Yes, Naruto's chakra has definitely been replaced by Rikodou chakra. So the Rikodou chakra is basically Naruto's new chakra. This has been proved by Naruto's augmented base mode. If Naruto received Rikodou chakra like an addition as he received bijuus chakra, his base mode wouldn't be enhanced.

It's also a bit confusing to me. Naruto's power ups in general are confusing. So I can make assumptions and basically put everything that should be put into perspective. So it'll indicate my perspective and open up things so you can also put your thought into it.

Firstly, Rikodou chakra possession buffed every single attribute of Naruto. 1) Which means all of his forms including Base Mode, SM, BM and BSM have been empowered. But you can't use the prefix of "Rikodou" for those power upgrades because then we will also have to call Naruto's base mode as "Rikodou Base Mode". 2) Plus, none of the Rikodou enhanced modes have visually changed which means Rikodou enhanced SM is also visually the same, which proves that RSM =/= Rikodou chakra + NE.

Secondly, RSM was called to be a gift from Hagoromo which means not everyone who has Rikodou chakra and SM will be able to achieve it. What they will achieve will be SM enhanced with Rikodou's chakra.

Thirdly, Naruto's eyes in RSM are plus signed, which could mean that in addition to SM (natural energy), Kurama's chakra is also involved. So if we're looking at as something not exclusively given, but is attained by combining few powers, then it's possible that even non-TSB RSM is attained by combining Rikodou chakra+NE+9 Bijuus chakra. TSB RSM could just be a secondary state, just like how BM's primary state is the cloaked version and the secondary state is the manifestation of the Avatar.

Otherwise, it could be possible that Naruto can use Rikodou's chakra in two different ways. One is for regular power upgrade and one grants a special power. Moreover, if we correspond Naruto's power up to Sasuke's power up, we see that Sasuke gained Yin Rikodou chakra (power source) AND Rinnegan (power to be used with that power source). So Naruto also gained Yang Rikodou chakra (power source) AND RSM (power to be used with that power source). That makes RSM an exclusive power granted along with (not by) Rikodou chakra that utilizes the Rikodou chakra for application just like the Rinnegan. In other words, this means RSM is an ability, not a state. And it also means not everyone who has Rikodou chakra and knows NE can use it.

It is the key, hogoromo is kaguya's son and she is the juubi pretty much so he inherited some of her power. This is why those who become jinchuriki of the juubi are said to have the same power as the sage of six paths. Rikudo chakra came from kaguya so it all fits.

I can ignore DB when the manga doesn't support it an example is temari blowing away the universe or naruto comprehending all of creation. Comprehending all of creation means having knowledge of all creation, this includes past, present and future which are part of creation. It is obvious naruto doesn't have that power. The DB in my view should only be used when it doesn't contradict the manga and only when the manga supports it.
The conceptual idea of this post is perfect. The only thing is that a Juubi Jin does not have the same power as Hagoromo right from the beginning. If their chakra fully matures, then yes, they'll have power equal to Hagoromo.
 

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No, it comes from Six Paths Senjutsu, not Six Paths Sage Mode; closely related, but not the same. Hence why they didn't manifest in Gaiden, because he was using Rikudou chakra, but not Rikudou Senjutsu, as explained by the lack of markings on his back.

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Yhea I was mistaken ,it comes with Rikudo senjutsu not RSM ,Obito and Madara have Rikudo senjutsu but not RSM, RSM is a tech gifted from hagromo allows Naruto to quickly grasp nature energy with the skill of well studied ,madara and obito cant even grasp nature energy as they have never learned to do so unlike naruto while Rikudo senjutsu seems to be a mode that Jiubi/All Biju jin can manifest, that means there is no contradiction between manga and DB ,Madara and obito are really not RSM users despite Madara statement about him having rikudo senjutsu ,Adult naruto seems to no having rikudo senjutsu due to the lack of all biju chakra but he still has RSM though .
 

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Huh? Isn't rikudo senjutsu just rikudo chakra+natural energy, since even regular senjutsu is chakra+natural energy. If naruto is using RSM he must be using rikudo senjutsu as well.

Senjutsu can be used without SM but SM can't be used without senjutsu. I don't know why he doesn't have the markings though
its not the same. Naruto takes the rikudo chakra he got from haro to go sage mode....again
 

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truthseeker orbs can be manifested when an individual awakens six paths senjutsu. narutos six paths sage mode comes from being a human pillar for all of the biju, effectively making him a ten tails jinchuriki.
im not really sure where this "six paths chakra in base" nonsense is coming from. :lol
 

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truthseeker orbs can be manifested when an individual awakens six paths senjutsu. narutos six paths sage mode comes from being a human pillar for all of the biju, effectively making him a ten tails jinchuriki.
im not really sure where this "six paths chakra in base" nonsense is coming from. :lol
Rikudo senjutsu and RSM are completely two different powers IMO
Rikudo senjutsu is what comes from naruto having all biju chakra just like obito and madara who had Rikudo senjutsu but not RSM , RSM is a technique which allows Naruto to grasp nature energy quickly and with a high skill
 
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