Naruto 339, some things i noticed, minato alive?

[twistedlink]

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Now from my understanding of chakra, and jutsus, the person has to be alive for the jutsu to continue its actual effect am i correct?
The only example i can think of right now is filler with that chick looking after that 3 tail kid thing, whatever the names are, she said that crystallised flower will break if she dies, ergo, the jutsu ceases to be in death.

Im pretty sure death nullifies a jutsu (though the 4th showed thats not always true, thats thats a seal...so it is different)

Well if the sage of siz paths created the moon, and the moon is in fact still there as we can see, does this mean the sage of six paths (not pain, the original sage) is still alive?

While there is no actual proof, i would love if tobis existence was backward to what weve been guessing.

we keep guessing madara is using bodies.

Nobody guessed someones using madaras body, we always assumed madara is the one in control.

Maybe, and this is pure speculation, i just think itd be cool, considering the sage of six paths knows every jutsu, he must know orochimarus jutsu, maybe the sage has been taking over bodies of great power, e.g. madaras (tobis), and the reason he wears a mask is because his other eye has the rinnegan.

This may also explain how madara can rule over nagato/pain.


Another thing i noticed is this, and 9tails fans wont be pleased.

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Through this i dont think naruto will ever fully control the 9tails, it appears minato will never allow more than 8 tails, and he appears on the 8th tail too, so 7 may be the likely number, minatos talking to the fox also shows he detests it.

Though there is one thing that must be discussed........Is minato dead?

The coffin didnt work for orochimaru against the 3rd, and we all know that orochimarus technique for immortal life is to put his conscious into people, maybe minato gave his soul away to the demon god to seal the fox, but at the same time sealed his mental capacity into narutos conciousness, in other words, minato literally lives in naruto, like orochimaru would have lived in sasuke.

I reckon the 4th may still be alive.

Please remember when orochimaru wanted to become 4th hokage, minato challenged him, either orochimaru lost or orochimaru decided against fighting him.

We know orochimarus character, hes sickly displeased of itachi being stronger than he waaaay back in the series and he shows no backing off against 4tails or any opponent, so for him to fear the 4th, thats a lot, i think the 4th had many more tricks up his sleeve than rasengan and FTG and that sealing demon, he mustve had way more techniques, this is the man who surpassed jiraiya, the 3rd, orochimaru, pretty near every shinobi we know, and without cheap eye techniques.

I hope minato is alive, thatd be so freakin awesome

 

[BAN_KAI]

I dont think he is alive he said that him self that he would apear when the tails reach to 8 or 9
And about Madara having 1 rinegan and 1 Sharingan thats imposible

 

[twistedlink]

Just because he appears only at 8 tails doesnt mean hes dead, i just reckon minato lives in narutos body as a mentality only, please do remember this is also true with orochimaru, he stated he transfers everything into the bodies mind, and acts as a parasite and takes over there actions.

well guess what, minato appeared and took over narutos actions and stopped him from ripping the seal off.

I see no difference between orochimarus transfer and the possibility of minatos transfer to naruto.

Why is madara/tobi having 1 sharingan 1 rinnegan impossible?

I agree it is highly unlikely as what i mentioed was just pure speculation and what would be cool.

But to say impossible is a little ignorant to say the least

 

[zumorikato]

Just because he appears only at 8 tails doesnt mean hes dead, i just reckon minato lives in narutos body as a mentality only, please do remember this is also true with orochimaru, he stated he transfers everything into the bodies mind, and acts as a parasite and takes over there actions.

well guess what, minato appeared and took over narutos actions and stopped him from ripping the seal off.

I see no difference between orochimarus transfer and the possibility of minatos transfer to naruto.

Why is madara/tobi having 1 sharingan 1 rinnegan impossible?

I agree it is highly unlikely as what i mentioed was just pure speculation and what would be cool.

But to say impossible is a little ignorant to say the least

Hi Bro, I really like your theory, its very interesting and your looking the object from another point of view, which is going to be very interesting if it actually develops the way that you predict it.

I however dont think that by saying all jitsus will seize if the creator passes away, like you said before, about the Sage of the six paths that created the moon, and Shodaime that created Konoha the physical village. Even though Shodaime passed away the village still remained, well until a couple of chapters ago . SO I think it is save to assume, that certain jitus's disappear while others still remain.

I highly doubt that Madara/tobi/whatever he wants to call himself, have both doujitsu's.
I mean having one Kekkei Genkai is already a genetic trait that only certain individuals share, now trying to have 2 Kekkei Genkai I think is nearly impossible. I also consider the fact to transfer bodies. But then again, I dont think that even if you transfer bodies, which is actually a soul transfer technique if Im not mistaken, would have the ability to bring the DNA of the previous body with, so even if Orichimaru would have had the chance of obtaining the sharingan from Sasuke, I doubt that he would have ability to transfer the physical sharingan over to a new host if that body started to reject him. But to be honest that is just my opinion.

But still I think that you are correct in saying that somebody are using somebody else's body, the real Q is just whom is in control at that moment.

 

[Zenryoku]

minato is not alive he died performing the sealing jutsu on nine tails

 

[zumorikato]

minato is not alive he died performing the sealing jutsu on nine tails

We know casey

he is just saying that there is the possibility that minato sealed his concious in Naruto while he was performing the ritual, similar to how Oro's body transfer is working. Which I agree, I think that there is the possibility that some of Minato's conciouns is sealed in Naruto's mind, and that is only triggered when certain conditions are met, like if Naruto reaches 8 tails ect.

Imagen Naruto wanting to get laid for the first time, and suddenly his dad pops in his conciouns and says to him ; 'Son, I sealed myself into you, to prevent you from breaking the "seal"'

I would really laugh my @ss off!!!!!

Good thread Twisty!!!!!

 

[Glam_boy]

minato is not alive he died performing the sealing jutsu on nine tails

YEAH that true, he only shows up because the kyubii turns to 8 tails,,

 

[zagubus]

I like it! i think it's possible. how else would the Minato in Naruto's consciousness have any memories or knowledge to pass on to Naruto? I guess we'll wait to see. If the image of Minato is able to react to it's environment then there must be some intelligence to it and to me that would mean that there's at least a sliver of Minato's consciousness within Naruto. If it were just a recorded message type of thing then it would just say and do the same thing over and over again.

 

[Zenryoku]

minato is not alive

 

[Chakra]

I don't think Minato in Naruto's consciousness is similar to that of Oro living in Sasuke. Oro wanted complete control of Sasuke's body. And we can see in Kabuto, Oro is taking over his body. That is not the case with Naruto.

I think when it comes to seals, whether the maker of the seal is alive or dead has no effect. When written on paper and infused with chakra to make a seal, I think the jutsu will remain to exist. You're relating seals to jutsu, and I don't think they're the same. I think a seal is a way for a jutsu to be stored, like a file on a USB storage device.

As for the 4th's coffin not summoning, Sarutobi wouldn't have been afraid for it to come up and try with all his might to stop the 4th's coffin from coming up if he didn't think Minato was dead. Sarutobi of all people in Konoha would have ordered people to put Minato's body in the coffin and bury him.

 

[twistedlink]

lol, i know the tobi thing is a long shot, but id love for it to be the case.

As to minato being KIND OF alive...as a consciousness, im holding my ground on that one and use this persons post for its logic

I like it! i think it's possible. how else would the Minato in Naruto's consciousness have any memories or knowledge to pass on to Naruto? I guess we'll wait to see. If the image of Minato is able to react to it's environment then there must be some intelligence to it and to me that would mean that there's at least a sliver of Minato's consciousness within Naruto. If it were just a recorded message type of thing then it would just say and do the same thing over and over again.

Orochimaru is parasitic and takes over the entire body, minato i believe has done a similar jutsu thats more passive, yes his father turns up during 8tails, but the fact he touched naruto, stopped his physical being lifting the seal means minatos presence in his conscious right now does have a very profound physical effect on naruto, otherwise the kyuubi would be loose right now.

As to the 3rd, he doesnt nesecarily know everything, remember the 4th invented the death god jutsu, the 3rd didnt know if it left a body behind or not until he used it on oro, and even then he didnt know for sure because he died lol.

The 4th had an amazing array of jutsu, and the coffin thing was weird, the manga showed it failed, the anime showed the 3rd fighting to make sure it didnt open, either way, the 4th wasnt summoned-I find that suspicious.

I believe his body is dead and truly gone, but i do believe similar to orochimarus technique, minato has sealed a lot of mental capacity into naruto, his mind perhaps, or soul, or whatever, the point is this minato is powerful enough to force naruto to stop pulling off the seal, which rocks.

 

[ssanimo]

ev1's forgetting the most obvious reply............the third sealed oro's arms remember????/ it was definitly still in effect after his death........also if that was the case anyone,in any village who had ever sealed a bijuu would have had to live forever for the seal to last...

 

[mathura1484]

hmm......hey didnt the third say that after the demon eats your soul and the soul of the other that the 2 will be in some kind of limbo place fighting eatch other ..........if thats the case mabe the 4th is alive, and made the seal to temporarily bring himself back from the limbo or whatever its called as soon as naruto released 8 tails and about madara being one of the sage of 6's puppet.....wont his eyes show the rings of rinnegan instead

 

[Burn One Twice]

Seal - Anything that tightly or completely closes or secures a thing, as closures or fastenings for doors and railroad cars, adhesive stamps and tapes used to secure the flap of an envelope, etc.

Hmm.... Think of this. I just received $5000 in a sealed envelope from my dying grandmother. She dies, but the letter is still sealed seeing as how I haven't manually removed it. A Seal has nothing to do with a jutsu (Ex Sealing Jutsu) and once your target is sealed it doesnt matter if you die, get imprisoned, go mentally insane. If You do not find a way to peal the seal off it will ALWAYS be there.

 

[FlashKID124]

i like how ur thinking outside the box here twistedlink. the whole madara thing you brought up, although i too kinda think its unlikely, but its very different from anything we've thought up of til now. the ONLY reason we all assume that madara is transferring bodies is because we know that its something thats possible in the naruto universe. i mean, before orochimaru introduced us to that concept, i think we would have thought that was rediculous, and that it would give one character too much power or something like that. i do wonder what exactly makes a washed up uchiha more dominant than a rinnegan user. we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Orion]

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Now from my understanding of chakra, and jutsus, the person has to be alive for the jutsu to continue its actual effect am i correct?
The only example i can think of right now is filler with that chick looking after that 3 tail kid thing, whatever the names are, she said that crystallised flower will break if she dies, ergo, the jutsu ceases to be in death.

Im pretty sure death nullifies a jutsu (though the 4th showed thats not always true, thats thats a seal...so it is different)

Well if the sage of siz paths created the moon, and the moon is in fact still there as we can see, does this mean the sage of six paths (not pain, the original sage) is still alive?

While there is no actual proof, i would love if tobis existence was backward to what weve been guessing.

we keep guessing madara is using bodies.

Nobody guessed someones using madaras body, we always assumed madara is the one in control.

Maybe, and this is pure speculation, i just think itd be cool, considering the sage of six paths knows every jutsu, he must know orochimarus jutsu, maybe the sage has been taking over bodies of great power, e.g. madaras (tobis), and the reason he wears a mask is because his other eye has the rinnegan.

This may also explain how madara can rule over nagato/pain.


Another thing i noticed is this, and 9tails fans wont be pleased.

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Through this i dont think naruto will ever fully control the 9tails, it appears minato will never allow more than 8 tails, and he appears on the 8th tail too, so 7 may be the likely number, minatos talking to the fox also shows he detests it.

Though there is one thing that must be discussed........Is minato dead?

The coffin didnt work for orochimaru against the 3rd, and we all know that orochimarus technique for immortal life is to put his conscious into people, maybe minato gave his soul away to the demon god to seal the fox, but at the same time sealed his mental capacity into narutos conciousness, in other words, minato literally lives in naruto, like orochimaru would have lived in sasuke.

I reckon the 4th may still be alive.

Please remember when orochimaru wanted to become 4th hokage, minato challenged him, either orochimaru lost or orochimaru decided against fighting him.

We know orochimarus character, hes sickly displeased of itachi being stronger than he waaaay back in the series and he shows no backing off against 4tails or any opponent, so for him to fear the 4th, thats a lot, i think the 4th had many more tricks up his sleeve than rasengan and FTG and that sealing demon, he mustve had way more techniques, this is the man who surpassed jiraiya, the 3rd, orochimaru, pretty near every shinobi we know, and without cheap eye techniques.

I hope minato is alive, thatd be so freakin awesome

This is not necessary!!!!!!1st hokage created forst around konoha with his wood jutsu................1st is dead. So konoha should have become desert. But it is not........4th knowing more jutsu.......Come one he was a hokage...Isn't it said in manga hokage knows thousands of jutsus..............So 4th must have other techciques.........

 

[platinum69]

WOW... what a kick ass thread... Very intelligent on all your views...

We all know the 4th Dead by sealing the Kyuubi into Naruto... But that dose not mean that when he created his seal on/in Naruto... that he could have fused part of his life energy + chakra to create a barrier type of effect... so if ever the 8tials of the Kyuubi was ever released he would indeed appear as an image in Naruto’s consciousness to help stop Naruto from being overwhelmed... WOW what a father...


Also jutsu don’t dispel after death... Sasuke and Itachi... how Itachi made a barrier with Amaterasu to attack Madara at first sight of his Sharingan... but maybe these aren’t normal Jutsu’s but Sealing/ barrier like jutsus where a certain part of your chakra is sealed in someone to be trigged by an event... even after death... same thing as Brother ssanimo said about the 3rd and Orochimarus Arms... which was also sealed.

NORMAL JUTSU (non sealing and barrier Jutsu) will dispel as soon as the creator is dead or out of chakra... which is the same thing...


What this all means is that Kakashi will be the Next White Fang of Kohona after he and his dad have there chat and the White Fang will releases his seal in Kakashi to make him the new White fang... MUHhahahahahahahhahahaaa

Self promotion; Read I’m fanfic to learn more.... but not this overpowered...

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Also I cant come around the fact Naruto might not be able to master the kyuubis Chakra... if you know me you will know this is a big thing for me...



Truly an awesome thread cant remember when last my post was this long...

 

[zumorikato]

lol, i know the tobi thing is a long shot, but id love for it to be the case.

As to minato being KIND OF alive...as a consciousness, im holding my ground on that one and use this persons post for its logic




Orochimaru is parasitic and takes over the entire body, minato i believe has done a similar jutsu thats more passive, yes his father turns up during 8tails, but the fact he touched naruto, stopped his physical being lifting the seal means minatos presence in his conscious right now does have a very profound physical effect on naruto, otherwise the kyuubi would be loose right now.

As to the 3rd, he doesnt nesecarily know everything, remember the 4th invented the death god jutsu, the 3rd didnt know if it left a body behind or not until he used it on oro, and even then he didnt know for sure because he died lol.

The 4th had an amazing array of jutsu, and the coffin thing was weird, the manga showed it failed, the anime showed the 3rd fighting to make sure it didnt open, either way, the 4th wasnt summoned-I find that suspicious.

I believe his body is dead and truly gone, but i do believe similar to orochimarus technique, minato has sealed a lot of mental capacity into naruto, his mind perhaps, or soul, or whatever, the point is this minato is powerful enough to force naruto to stop pulling off the seal, which rocks.

I agree with you, I think that this is the best explanation for what is pulling down with the manga!

I dont think that this is just a simple seal, we will see in the next manga but if Minato actually interacts with Naruto in his subconciouns it will be a totally awesome, I doubt that its just a plain simple pre recording that is fixed and sealed into Naruto.

 

[platinum69]

This is not necessary!!!!!!1st hokage created forst around konoha with his wood jutsu................1st is dead. So konoha should have become desert. But it is not........4th knowing more jutsu.......Come one he was a hokage...Isn't it said in manga hokage knows thousands of jutsus..............So 4th must have other techciques.........

SUp bro?

What I think is when you use an element chakra which is alive like trees are... then your just giving life to them using your own chakra... and then they grow on there own will and energy... as trees (wood) a alive they breath, mate and so on... so well after the creator is dead Im sure they still will be able to grow and reproduce at there own will...

 

[platinum69]

I agree with you, I think that this is the best explanation for what is pulling down with the manga!

I dont think that this is just a simple seal, we will see in the next manga but if Minato actually interacts with Naruto in his subconciouns it will be a totally awesome, I doubt that its just a plain simple pre recording that is fixed and sealed into Naruto.

Brother Im fully down...


Thats so true... the 4th appearing isnt just a recording... but the 4th himself as he did say; I looked forward to seeing how my son had grown So you could call it even

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What I think this means is that he wanted to see his son so he put a large amount of his Life Energy as a barrier to be created and to summon the real 4th to the table...