Nagato's Limitations

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I just finished re-watching the fights between Pain and Jiraiya and Pain and Naruto and something occured to me...

The chakra recievers that Nagato places each of the bodies in Pain transmit his own chakra into them, which is what allows them to move and to preform techniques as if they were alive when infact they're actually dead. The 6 paths of Pain and their bodies are nothing more then corpses that are being fed chakra and specific abilities. The abilities they have are all Nagato's abilities of the Rinningan. The actual bodies are being controled by him and they themselves aren't actually preforming the techniques. Nagato is the one using all of their techniques (The Almighty Push and pull, chakra absorption, Mind reading/soul extraction, Summoning, Ressurection, and I'm not sure about the Assura paths abilities). I assumed that Nagato's abilities to use his 6 Paths came after he was forced to kill Yahiko and summon Gedo Mazo as he would've been able to stop Hanzo before hand I believe. What I'm getting at is that Nagato is feeding all the techniques that these paths can use, into the bodies that control each path. It can also be assumed that they can be used simultaniously since the Paths went around in Konoha interrogating shinobi using their individual abilities to do so, all at once.

Now this may be common knowledge but my theory is (I apologize if I'm late to the party on it) about Nagato's level of mastery of his Rinningan. I don't believe that Nagato was capable of using the five or six (unsure with the Assura path being a robot basically) techniques that he feeds to the paths, through his one body, meaning in order for him to use the techniques simultainiously as he's done with them in their seprate bodies, he needs seprate bodies to use as focus points for each technique so he can concentrate his Rinningan's abilities individually. He can't comprehend how to use them through one source so he needs individual sources to focus them on. He's seen as a frail man (his true form) who can't even walk, for what I believe is because of the Demonic Statue, and his inibility control his chakra well enough to preform certain techniques that require great amounts of chakra (i.e Chibaku Tensai or his Great Almighty Push which he used on the village). His level of mastery of the Rinningan is limited to not actually being able to use the techniques he feeds to bodies, through his own body which I would see as being more useful and demonstrating more power. Although the Paths individual bodies out number their opponents and the ability of the linked vision is extreamly useful (really only in covering the blindspots of the other paths but 12 eyes are better then 2), if one shinobi were to be able to control all those powers into one singular form, the only real problem is the five second interval for his Almighty Push and pull. In a battle against multiple shinobi his primary weapon could be those techniques and during the five second interval, where he can't use the jutsu he could absorb chakra based ninjutsu, he still has his taijutsu and great deal of speed (as each body has demonstrated however his frail form could mean his physical being couldn't keep up), his summons, and not to mention his five elements which Jiraiya said he was able to master all by the time the boy was 10. I was thinking and I know the advantages of the 6 Paths are the numbers and the linked vission making them more difficult to take down but I still see that the one form may be more useful then the six individuals, seeing as if one of the paths are taken down that ability is useless but through one body the technique is only useless if the user is defeated. Without the paths there is the loss of the combined vision that allows the blind spots to be seen but even so I find it to be more minor the major in this situation.

This is my theory, I never really looked at it this way before so that's why I'm saying it. I ask that if you have something to criticize that you do it respectfully, thank you.
 

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lol everything you put was self explanitory in the manga
 

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lol everything you put was self explanitory in the manga

I know but I never really payed much attention that's why I just wanted to put it out there.
 

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I know but I never really payed much attention that's why I just wanted to put it out there.

lol put what out there? that you have no understanding of a theory? You cant call the explanation your theory when it was explained in the manga is the main point dude
 

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lol put what out there? that you have no understanding of a theory? You cant call the explanation your theory when it was explained in the manga is the main point dude

I didn't find where it said that Nagato couldn't use his own jutsu through his own body. I put this in case there was anybody else like me. I was thinking why he wouldn't use his own jutsu through his body unless he couldn't forgive me if I didn't process it right away and I'm the last to figure it out.
 

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He can use all the power with his own body ... watch Hanzo fight
 

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Nagato got crippled during the ambush by Hanzou. he was trying to save Konan and then Yahoko's body. He avoided the attack activating his rinnegan fast enough as he became aware that hanzou launched his fire on them- he was still recovering from the shock of dying Yahiko in his arm when hanzou threw Konan towards them and attacked.

He succeeded in saving his friends from the harm but, in the process his legs were badly burnt. hanzou was surprised that he was able to dodged the attack in the first place and said so.

My point is Nagato could use his talent even before the attack and permanent chakra rods. he had to resort to it because he lost his legs and lost his own mobility in the process. Since he couldn't move himself fast enough now and look around he resorted to using the dead bodies as a replacement. Just my opinion, based on Jiraiya's discription that Nagato could use all the jutsus and elements since age of 10 and with the perfection he used it through the dead bodies at the same time.
 

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Nagato got crippled during the ambush by Hanzou. he was trying to save Konan and then Yahoko's body. He avoided the attack activating his rinnegan fast enough as he became aware that hanzou launched his fire on them- he was still recovering from the shock of dying Yahiko in his arm when hanzou threw Konan towards them and attacked.

He succeeded in saving his friends from the harm but, in the process his legs were badly burnt. hanzou was surprised that he was able to dodged the attack in the first place and said so.

My point is Nagato could use his talent even before the attack and permanent chakra rods. he had to resort to it because he lost his legs and lost his own mobility in the process. Since he couldn't move himself fast enough now and look around he resorted to using the dead bodies as a replacement. Just my opinion, based on Jiraiya's discription that Nagato could use all the jutsus and elements since age of 10 and with the perfection he used it through the dead bodies at the same time.

I just finished watching the fight Nagato had with Hanzo and I was paying closer attention. He did use his Almighty Push to deflect the blades and I'm not saying he couldn't use his techniques individually but I'm talking about simultaniously in his own body. I'm saying simultanious like for example he has both chakra based attacks and physical attacks comeing at him, could he use both the Almighty push and the Pretta path's absorption technique at the same time? I have no doubt that he could use all his techniques before hand individually but I'm talking more about combining them for a better result, in his single body. He used his Almighty push before he had his legs blown off, I figured since Hanzo's technique was fire chakra orriented that Nagato could've used his chakra absorption technique before to prevent from loosing his legs, although since it was an explosion Idk i'm just saying. I process things slower then most people that's why I may not understand things at first glance. I understand your points though.
 

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I just finished watching the fight Nagato had with Hanzo and I was paying closer attention. He did use his Almighty Push to deflect the blades and I'm not saying he couldn't use his techniques individually but I'm talking about simultaniously in his own body. I'm saying simultanious like for example he has both chakra based attacks and physical attacks comeing at him, could he use both the Almighty push and the Pretta path's absorption technique at the same time? I have no doubt that he could use all his techniques before hand individually but I'm talking more about combining them for a better result, in his single body. He used his Almighty push before he had his legs blown off, I figured since Hanzo's technique was fire chakra orriented that Nagato could've used his chakra absorption technique before to prevent from loosing his legs, although since it was an explosion Idk i'm just saying. I process things slower then most people that's why I may not understand things at first glance. I understand your points though.

Yeah that might be so, but why waste the chakara when you don't have too? I'm pretty sure that if countered differently that move might have been next. Either that or some other new move...
 

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I just finished watching the fight Nagato had with Hanzo and I was paying closer attention. He did use his Almighty Push to deflect the blades and I'm not saying he couldn't use his techniques individually but I'm talking about simultaniously in his own body. I'm saying simultanious like for example he has both chakra based attacks and physical attacks comeing at him, could he use both the Almighty push and the Pretta path's absorption technique at the same time? I have no doubt that he could use all his techniques before hand individually but I'm talking more about combining them for a better result, in his single body. He used his Almighty push before he had his legs blown off, I figured since Hanzo's technique was fire chakra orriented that Nagato could've used his chakra absorption technique before to prevent from loosing his legs, although since it was an explosion Idk i'm just saying. I process things slower then most people that's why I may not understand things at first glance. I understand your points though.

it is possible to use more techniques at once ... look at enma prison technique ... transformation+shadow clones
 

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Ok Nagato can use every jutsu his paths can. He didn't fight with his own body because he was crippled. And also using the 6 paths of Pain would keep him unharmed.
Also there are some advantages in using 6 different bodies... because it is difficult for 1 person to take on 6... even if it would be 1v1 and he has all their abilities, it is still one person you have to focus on. If you fight against the 6 paths of Pain you have jutsu coming from 6 places instead of just 1.
 

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well honestly it has it's limitations (pros and cons)

When Nagato uses the six paths of pain, he is dividing his chakra in 1/6 per body (according to the 6 bodies). But if Nagato fights by himself he is using his entire chakra and not dividing it.

Conclusion= If Deva path uses a katon jutsu it will be used within the amount of 1/6 of deva's body........ But if Nagato uses it it will be the chakra in total used, making it 6 times more powerful


6paths= More versatility when being 6v1 and multitasking
Nagato= Stronger attacks due to more chakra......
 
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