Nagato was meant to be more haxxed than Hashi and Madara.

[Owarij]

the meteor was right next to madaras susano

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Shinra tensei would have more than blown everything in the area away.... the entire earth would have been bloown away like the scan shown

 

[arv993]

As you said swords aren't supposed to cause much damage. The difference from a regular swing and when you're giving it 100% isn't much unlike shinra and chou shinra tensei.

and like i said it doesnt seem to be a 100% as he did only small swing not really using all his sussano arms and all. it seems like that doesnt seem to be his extent of power is all i am saying. it isnt any normal sword is what i meant

 

[Capn FlapJak]

the meteor was right next to madaras susano

I think or I'm pretty sure that been broke since it impact on top of the first 1

 

[arv993]

I would still have my bet on shinra tensei. In terms of pure destructive force, but i guess we shall see when the next chp comes out.

Theres still chibaku tensei, The size of it was massive (in his fight with 6tailed naruto).
Yet he stated he could of made it even bigger,

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if i had to pick i really wouldnt kno due to not seeing its full extent yet. but madara's tech is a lot faster to use and doesnt have a wait time(at least so far as we kno). And would crush techs like CT.

But in terms of size CT is the biggest tech as it makes a mini moon

 

[arv993]

But to the main point nagato is not more haxxed than Madara(at least with rinnegan) as well as these ppl

Kabuto definitely
Naruto most likely beats him
Tobi definitely

Hashi is questionable but he has no feats but i think he can beat nagato since he has techs like bringer of darkness which hits one of nagato's weakness.

Dont overrate the guy he has some of the best feats but is not more powerful than madara or the others i have mentioned bar hashi as we need feats

 

[Owarij]

It's funny , noone has countered nagato's soul dragon technique

 

[arv993]

It's funny , noone has countered nagato's soul dragon technique

well if u attack the source aka nagato and kill him since he is decently vulnerable at that point yes ppl can beat that.

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[Exaar]

But to the main point nagato is not more haxxed than Madara(at least with rinnegan) as well as these ppl

Kabuto definitely
Naruto most likely beats him
Tobi definitely

Hashi is questionable but he has no feats but i think he can beat nagato since he has techs like bringer of darkness which hits one of nagato's weakness.

Dont overrate the guy he has some of the best feats but is not more powerful than madara or the others i have mentioned bar hashi as we need feats

Nagato is also a sensor, So bringer of darkness wouldn't hinder him that much, Also it's a Short-Mid range Tech, So if hashi uses it he is in range for a shinra tensei or Bansho Ten'in

 

[arv993]

Nagato is also a sensor, So bringer of darkness wouldn't hinder him that much, Also it's a Short-Mid range Tech, So if hashi uses it he is in range for a shinra tensei or Bansho Ten'in

ofc it does just because ur a sensor doesnt mean u can dodge attacks fast and he has low mobility to boot and hashi even has swords to use which u cant even sense.

naruto is a sensor in km mode and also in sm yet he cant just simply avoid all techs dont overrate being a sensor. if he can't see as kabuto mentioned without his shared vision he is very vulnerable he wouldnt know where the attacks would come from and hashi even has kenjutsu(swords) that he uses and his mokuton is too fast for someone like nagato to avoid

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he easily got hit by itachi's techs when his shared vision is disabled so bringer of darkness puts him in a very bad position

and bansho tenin can be stopped by holding on to something or one pushing himself away by using an object or in this case hashi's wood like naruto used chakra arms and pushed himself away

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few examples of where nagato couldnt avoid techs

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even ninjutsu techs hit him when he didnt have shared vision

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and in this scenario not only does he lose shared vision but he would have no vision whatsoever giving hashi a good opportunity to strike

i still want to see hashi's full arsenal as its incredibly powerful according to madara but his bringer of darkness puts nagato in a big disadvantage

 

[Owarij]

well if u attack the source aka nagato and kill him since he is decently vulnerable at that point yes ppl can beat that.

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Attack the source? Good, would love to see them attack nagato when he can

1) Absorb ninjutsu via preta path

2) Repell attacks via shinra tensei


And oh , lets not forget , they have to do this all while a purple dragon is flying at them, and if it even grazes them it's over.


And don't bring of bringer of darkness, Breaking it is done by landing a blow on the target, and nagato has deva path, making that incredibly easy

 

[Owarij]

ofc it does just because ur a sensor doesnt mean u can dodge attacks fast and he has low mobility to boot and hashi even has swords to use which u cant even sense.

naruto is a sensor in km mode and also in sm yet he cant just simply avoid all techs dont overrate being a sensor. if he can't see as kabuto mentioned without his shared vision he is very vulnerable he wouldnt know where the attacks would come from and hashi even has kenjutsu(swords) that he uses and his mokuton is too fast for someone like nagato to avoid

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he easily got hit by itachi's techs when his shared vision is disabled so bringer of darkness puts him in a very bad position

and bansho tenin can be stopped by holding on to something or one pushing himself away by using an object or in this case hashi's wood like naruto used chakra arms and pushed himself away

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even ninjutsu techs hit him when he didnt have shared vision

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and in this scenario not only does he lose shared vision but he would have no vision whatsoever giving hashi a good opportunity to strike

i still want to see hashi's full arsenal as its incredibly powerful according to madara but his bringer of darkness puts nagato in a big disadvantage

Most if not all your argument is invalid due to KABUTO being in direct control of nagato in that fight . Try again

 

[arv993]

Attack the source? Good, would love to see them attack nagato when he can

1) Absorb ninjutsu via preta path

2) Repell attacks via shinra tensei


And oh , lets not forget , they have to do this all while a purple dragon is flying at them, and if it even grazes them it's over.


And don't bring of bringer of darkness, Breaking it is done by landing a blow on the target, and nagato has deva path, making that incredibly easy

i am not talking about hashi first of all at least in that post.

oh yea nagato is really not vulnerable at all when he is in excruciating pain

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madara can use his ps and kill him where he stand in that position.

naruto and his multiple clones can beat him especially considering naruto's speed.

kabuto and tobi still beat him regardless.

hashi can defend against shinra tensei by using mokuton as shield so no bringer of drakness cant be taken down that easily

 

[Exaar]

ofc it does just because ur a sensor doesnt mean u can dodge attacks fast and he has low mobility to boot and hashi even has swords to use which u cant even sense.

naruto is a sensor in km mode and also in sm yet he cant just simply avoid all techs dont overrate being a sensor. if he can't see as kabuto mentioned without his shared vision he is very vulnerable he wouldnt know where the attacks would come from and hashi even has kenjutsu(swords) that he uses and his mokuton is too fast for someone like nagato to avoid

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he easily got hit by itachi's techs when his shared vision is disabled so bringer of darkness puts him in a very bad position

and bansho tenin can be stopped by holding on to something or one pushing himself away by using an object or in this case hashi's wood like naruto used chakra arms and pushed himself away

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few examples of where nagato couldnt avoid techs

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even ninjutsu techs hit him when he didnt have shared vision

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and in this scenario not only does he lose shared vision but he would have no vision whatsoever giving hashi a good opportunity to strike

i still want to see hashi's full arsenal as its incredibly powerful according to madara but his bringer of darkness puts nagato in a big disadvantage

He couldn't/Didn't avoid amaterasu because he didn't know itachi had broken free of edo tensei as was going to target him by the time he realised what had happened Amaterasu was already being used, and that was Kabuto in controll of nagato in his fight with Itachi/Naruto/Bee, Nagato was not incontroll of his own abilities.

Also as Bringer of darkness is a short-Mid tech if nagato's Flying summon stays out of range he will still have vision outside of the Genjutsu.

 

[Owarij]

i am not talking about hashi first of all at least in that post.

oh yea nagato is really not vulnerable at all when he is in excruciating pain

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madara can use his ps and kill him where he stand in that position.

naruto and his multiple clones can beat him especially considering naruto's speed.

kabuto and tobi still beat him regardless.

hashi can defend against shinra tensei by using mokuton as shield so no bringer of drakness cant be taken down that easily

Kid, Gedo mazo runs off of chakra

it used nagato as its source in that fight...

Since then nagato has stored 7 , count them, 7 bijuu's in gedo mazo, and it can run off of them, as we see in the tobi fight


I'll repeat how this fight will go

- Kuchiyose no jutsu- Gedo mazo
- Soul dragon
-Deva path to pull him in

GG

on both counts , madara anad hashirama

You underestimate Nagato's opness

 

[arv993]

Most if not all your argument is invalid due to KABUTO being in direct control of nagato in that fight . Try again

its still nagato's feats and shared vision is crucial to him due to his mobility. And hashi simply takes shared vision away that puts him in a disadvantage.

kabuto clearly mentions it here

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so no my argument that it puts nagato in a disadvantage stands

 

[Owarij]

its still nagato's feats and shared vision is crucial to him due to his mobility. And hashi simply takes shared vision away that puts him in a disadvantage.

kabuto clearly mentions it here

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so no my argument that it puts nagato in a disadvantage stands

The abilities are nagato's feats. but not the fighting...
He wasn't fighting like nagato, he was fighting like kabuto would ..

Kabuto even forgot that he had chibaku tensei , and then used it..

Nothing there suggests how nagato would fight...

KABUTO was the one who didn't dodge itachi's amaterasu, Nagato already knew itachi was using it, he didn't move because kabuto was controlling him

so no my argument that it puts nagato in a disadvantage stands

Everyone knows nagato has mobility problems, How does that matter?
He can go invisible with his summoning

He can fly with his summoning

Moukoton won't get near to him due to preta,

Try again

 

[Kira was Righteous]

well if u attack the source aka nagato and kill him since he is decently vulnerable at that point yes ppl can beat that.

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Every Nagato vs thread you are always on the other side your opinion is biased at best

Mokuton would be absorbed as its ninjutsu

Bringer of darkness can be countered by using his rinnegan to see the colours of chakra

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hes always a chakra sensor so he is able to notice any change to the enviroment proven that when Itachi blinked and used a MS technique vs Naruto he noticed it

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His Summons would make bringer of darkness ineffective as well because they can see for him and Nagato can fight with his eyes his closed even without Summons

Hashirama or Madara cant counter this

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and every attack from Perfect Susanoo can be absorbed which makes it kind of pointless + Nagato can fly making it even more hopeless

its still nagato's feats and shared vision is crucial to him due to his mobility. And hashi simply takes shared vision away that puts him in a disadvantage.

kabuto clearly mentions it here

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so no my argument that it puts nagato in a disadvantage stands

Your selectively quoting parts what about the other part where he says damn even i couldnt dodge that? Hes admitting it was his fault about the whole fight thats why he starting getting angry like a child and hit that board

 

[arv993]

Kid, Gedo mazo runs off of chakra

it used nagato as its source in that fight...

Since then nagato has stored 7 , count them, 7 bijuu's in gedo mazo, and it can run off of them, as we see in the tobi fight


I'll repeat how this fight will go

- Kuchiyose no jutsu- Gedo mazo
- Soul dragon
-Deva path to pull him in

GG

on both counts , madara anad hashirama

You underestimate Nagato's opness

kid i am talking about nagato from what we saw tobi later on took control of gedo mazo and has the 7 tailed beasts so i am not including that in his arsenal. but one with no 7 tailed beasts yes madara can beat that. he is the trump card madara is more OP kabuto is not an idiot.

i never hashi would win but has a good chance and i'll leave it to if we feats from him to decide

 

[Owarij]

kid i am talking about nagato from what we saw tobi later on took control of gedo mazo and has the 7 tailed beasts so i am not including that in his arsenal. but one with no 7 tailed beasts yes madara can beat that. he is the trump card madara is more OP kabuto is not an idiot

i never hashi would win but has a good chance and i'll leave it to if we feats from him to decide

Are you stupid? Nagato before he died, which is obviously what this Thread is about, Not edo nagato,

Has gedo mazo, with 7 bijuu he collected..

 

[arv993]

The abilities are nagato's feats. but not the fighting...
He wasn't fighting like nagato, he was fighting like kabuto would ..

Kabuto even forgot that he had chibaku tensei , and then used it..

Nothing there suggests how nagato would fight...

KABUTO was the one who didn't dodge itachi's amaterasu, Nagato already knew itachi was using it, he didn't move because kabuto was controlling him

Everyone knows nagato has mobility problems, How does that matter?
He can go invisible with his summoning

He can fly with his summoning

Moukoton won't get near to him due to preta,

Try again

nagato cant dodge because he lacks mobility. u think kabuto justt likes all his edos getting hit by attacks ofc not. he will do what the edos can do within their power


i am not going to argue about hashi winning like i said we didnt see all his feats but hashi's tech puts him in a disadvantage. dont make it into a hashi vs nagato thread

we dont all his powers all we kno is that he has mokuton, he heals himself and has bringer of darkness but thats not all of it as its been clear in the manga. but his bringer of darkness puts a serious dent even his summons cant see due to it and its a decently fast tech making everyone blind it gives hashi an advantage

but u go in a full detailed matchup which is not what i was even trying to do but only explain how one power is very effective on nagato