Nagato vs. Tobi (READ)

[Pavoneo]

So, this isn't a general versus thread, this is discussing something else.

Here's the question I'm asking: Who had better usage of the Rinnegan?

I'm personally going to stay unbiased in this thread and see what you guys have to say about this.

Some feats. Not all.

Nagato
Mastered all five nature transformations at the age of 10.
Full Manipulation over Six Paths of Pain
Ability to use Outer Path

Tobi
Made Jinchuriki his Six Paths of Pain note: Couldn't use it as well as Nagato.
Improvement made to Outer Path
Ability to interrogate improved through Rennigan

 

[NOemotions]

Tobi is mastermind, there was reason he didnt dare to touch nagato while in akatsuki and he was shocked whens hear he died (betrayed him) xd i go nagato.

 

[Exaar]

Nagato still stands as the best user of the rinnegan besides the Sage, No one has better all round feats then him.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Nagato is the boss dude
hands down

 

[TheItachiUchiha]

The only reason Tobi had those amazing Jinchuriki paths was because of Kabuto, which are stronger than the paths of pain but like you said he didn't have full control. I think Pain showed us the true powers of the Rinnegan (Planetary Devastation, Shinra Tensei, Art of Rinne rebirth,universal pull, linked eyes,etc.). To me, Pain was the Rinnegan master.

 

[Pavoneo]

Nagato still stands as the best user of the rinnegan besides the Sage, No one has better all round feats then him.

"The Outer Path is the Rinnegan power which stands out the most. It is also coincidentally the most mysterious power too, hence I say it is worth noting that due to that Tobi's skill - with at least the Rinnegan's ocular powers - may possibly exceed Nagato's."

Meaning that the Outer Path (Gedo Mazo) is the Rinnegans most powerful and mysterious technique, and Tobi made improvements that Nagato hasn't thought of, which can be a standard argument used to say Tobi had superior feats over Nagato for improving the most powerful Rinnegan technique.

Someone said this in another thread, thought I'd carry it over.

[EDIT] Also, the fact that Tobi only has Rinnegan in one eye and is still able to do so much with it could be used to prove Tobi is superior. Imagine what he could do if he had Rinnegan in both eyes.

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

dont know if its a fair comparison because tobi didnt use any of the other paths because, as kakashi surmised, he probably judged it as a waste of chakra, but based off feats i say nagato

 

[TheSages456]

"The Outer Path is the Rinnegan power which stands out the most. It is also coincidentally the most mysterious power too, hence I say it is worth noting that due to that Tobi's skill - with at least the Rinnegan's ocular powers - may possibly exceed Nagato's."

Meaning that the Outer Path (Gedo Mazo) is the Rinnegans most powerful and mysterious technique, and Tobi made improvements that Nagato hasn't thought of, which can be a standard argument used to say Tobi had superior feats over Nagato for improving the most powerful Rinnegan technique.

Someone said this in another thread, thought I'd carry it over.

tobi hasnt made any improvements to gedo mazo. tobi is merely using the gedo mazo in battle with bijuus inside it.

 

[Blaze Release]

Feat and hype goes to nagato.
Not only has he shown us way more techniques with the rinnegan he was hyped to have mastered all the elements

 

[zombiejesus]

nagato so far maybe forever wait and see

 

[SasukeXbam]

Stop nd think though we haven't rele seen Tobi use his too much nd we got to see two major battles with Nagato using his I do believe tht Nagato uses his better so far but remember Tobi says he gave him those eyes so u would think he knows more bout the eyes than Nagato

 

[Pavoneo]

tobi hasnt made any improvements to gedo mazo. tobi is merely using the gedo mazo in battle with bijuus inside it.

He's improving the Gedo Mazo by being able to control multiple tailed beasts with a single chakra receiver. Nagato had to use multiple chakra receivers to gain full control over his Paths.

And if the Jinchuriki were ever to break loose/be in danger, Tobi had the ability to reseal them into him or the statue instantaneously. That seems like a bit of an improvement to me.

[EDIT]

Stop nd think though we haven't rele seen Tobi use his too much nd we got to see two major battles with Nagato using his I do believe tht Nagato uses his better so far but remember Tobi says he gave him those eyes so u would think he knows more bout the eyes than Nagato

As you said, Tobi was also said to give Nagato the Rinnegan. If we go off hype, Tobi should know a lot more about the Rinnegan than Nagato does, therefore he's able to use it for efficiently.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Nagato is the most proficient with the Rinnegan

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Nagato was better with it

 

[Exaar]

"The Outer Path is the Rinnegan power which stands out the most. It is also coincidentally the most mysterious power too, hence I say it is worth noting that due to that Tobi's skill - with at least the Rinnegan's ocular powers - may possibly exceed Nagato's."

Meaning that the Outer Path (Gedo Mazo) is the Rinnegans most powerful and mysterious technique, and Tobi made improvements that Nagato hasn't thought of, which can be a standard argument used to say Tobi had superior feats over Nagato for improving the most powerful Rinnegan technique.

Someone said this in another thread, thought I'd carry it over.

[EDIT] Also, the fact that Tobi only has Rinnegan in one eye and is still able to do so much with it could be used to prove Tobi is superior. Imagine what he could do if he had Rinnegan in both eyes.

I'm not sure if having only one Rinnegan effects the power of the techniques.

Kakashi only having one sharingan doesn't seem to affect the Abilites it has such as Genjutsu, Tracking, Copying, Ms and so on.

Also Unlike Nagato, Tobi has 7bijuu inside Gedo mazo, so he has a clear advantage over nagato in that area.

 

[TheSages456]

He's improving the Gedo Mazo by being able to control multiple tailed beasts with a single chakra receiver. Nagato had to use multiple chakra receivers to gain full control over his Paths.

And if the Jinchuriki were ever to break loose/be in danger, Tobi had the ability to reseal them into him or the statue instantaneously. That seems like a bit of an improvement to me.

the chakra rods to control the beasts have nothing to do with gedo mazo. his chakra rods are just stronger than nagatos. the controller can seal the beasts in gedo mazo whenever they want after they are sealed inside since the tailed beasts are connected to it. nagato couldve done the same exact thing as tobi did but he would need alive hosts to turn into jinchuriki. he would need more chakra rods though.

 

[Pavoneo]

I'm not sure if having only one Rinnegan effects the power of the techniques.

Kakashi only having one sharingan doesn't seem to affect the Abilites it has such as Genjutsu, Tracking, Copying, Ms and so on.

Also Unlike Nagato, Tobi has 7bijuu inside Gedo mazo, so he has a clear advantage over nagato in that area.

Hmm, that's understandable. And Gedo Mazo is a big part of Rinnegan Techniques, so it's a large part of why possibly Tobi has better usage :shrug:

the chakra rods to control the beasts have nothing to do with gedo mazo. his chakra rods are just stronger than nagatos. the controller can seal the beasts in gedo mazo whenever they want after they are sealed inside since the tailed beasts are connected to it. nagato couldve done the same exact thing as tobi did but he would need alive hosts to turn into jinchuriki. he would need more chakra rods though.

Now, this may look bad.. But you seem to know about this a lot and I have a quick question..

For Nagato to gain complete control over the Gedo Mazo, he needed to have multiple chakra receivers pierced into his back. Meanwhile, to the best of my memory, Tobi didn't have to do that. Why? There's probably a logical explanation but I probably forgot.

 

[Exaar]

Hmm, that's understandable. And Gedo Mazo is a big part of Rinnegan Techniques, so it's a large part of why possibly Tobi has better usage :shrug:.

I don't think that makes his overall useage of the Rinnegan better.

It's like saying naruto is better than Kakashi at Ninjutsu because he has mastered one Super high level Jutsu. Yet kakashi has mastered 3 elements while Naruto has like 1 Fuuton jutsu.

For me, Having skills in multiple area's > Being Highly skilled in just One Area.

Now, this may look bad.. But you seem to know about this a lot and I have a quick question..

For Nagato to gain complete control over the Gedo Mazo, he needed to have multiple chakra receivers pierced into his back. Meanwhile, to the best of my memory, Tobi didn't have to do that. Why? There's probably a logical explanation but I probably forgot.

Well Gedo Mazo seemed to need chakra, Tobi has 7bijuu's Sealed inside it, So Gedo mazo could be Feeding of the bijuu chakra's instead of the summoners.

 

[Pavoneo]

I don't think that makes his overall useage of the Rinnegan better.

It's like saying naruto is better than Kakashi at Ninjutsu because he has mastered one Super high level Jutsu. Yet kakashi has mastered 3 elements while Naruto has like 1 Fuuton jutsu.

For me, Having skills in multiple area's > Being Highly skilled in just One Area.



Well Gedo Mazo seemed to need chakra, Tobi has 7bijuu's Sealed inside it, So Gedo mazo could be Feeding of the bijuu chakra's instead of the summoners.

Ahh, thank you. And I understand where you're coming from in the first part.

I see my mistakes and I humbly accept defeat U_U

I was just curious as to how the base felt about this matter. I expected at least one person to say Tobi xD Guess not.

 

[TheSages456]

Hmm, that's understandable. And Gedo Mazo is a big part of Rinnegan Techniques, so it's a large part of why possibly Tobi has better usage :shrug:



Now, this may look bad.. But you seem to know about this a lot and I have a quick question..

For Nagato to gain complete control over the Gedo Mazo, he needed to have multiple chakra receivers pierced into his back. Meanwhile, to the best of my memory, Tobi didn't have to do that. Why? There's probably a logical explanation but I probably forgot.

gedo mazo pierced nagatos back to gain chakra. otherwise its powerless. tobi has gedo mazo pumped full of bijuu chakra which is why tobi didnt get stabbed in the back.