Nagato vs SM Minato

[UchihaNagashi]

Bogard, does your hand ever tire.

 

[Touken]

Touken plz,I don't want to say this but what kind of BS it is? Dude is not focusing on the battle yet managed to counter Lawd Tobirama without even trying.He know that Minato is a Hokage as he is the teacher of Obito and do u really think Madara is stupid enough to think that a Kunai from a kage level shinobi would throw a random kunai to attack Juubi's jinchuriki and actually fail to hit him? Lmao.

And your point is? He did the same thing to Minato. Minato's title is completely irrelevant considering Madara's become a god. He could literally walk through any of Minato's attacks so why on earth would he bother countering Minato's kunai when he knows he can't do utter shit to him?

Lmao,once again should I remind u that Itachi managed to hit the eyes of Nagato's summons with his kunai? If those kunai are slow then Nagato would have reacted to them no matter what.

Oh my God. Did you not read anything I wrote? IT WAS KABUTO CONTROLLING NAGATO. Kabuto didn't notice Nagato's field of vision was being blinded due to focusing on capturing Naruto and Bee and also due to having no prior experience with the Rinnegan. Nagato's in control here.

He don't have time to use any jutsu to attack him and that's why he used taijutsu to attack Minato,it won't take a genius to understand that using taijutsu at a time like this is the best way due to the fact that one can't pull jutsu's that easily in this kind of sittuations.Go and read Gokage VS Madara again Mei failed to counter Madara's fire jutsu with her suiton because she don't have enough time to pull a jutsu at that time but Tsunade countered than with Taijutsu.Madara attacking Minato happend so fast despite of being seperated from Minato's body Rasengan in his hand didn't even disappeared.

So what's your point? FTG's instant, doesn't matter if it's being used against the Juubi's host or mere fodder. Minato was so slow against Madara that he was able to land 3 attacks before Minato could think of using FTG to teleport out.

All in all, Minato has nothing to damage Nagato. If he uses Rasengan then it's absorbed via Preta Path. If it's a kunai strike then Nagato reinforces that part of his body with Asura Path making his attacks moot. Base Minato beating Nagato is a laughable thought. Don't try, please.

 

[Optimistic]

ST fanboys have the most muscular fingers ever, how can you type so much for Minato Borgard?

 

[VongolaX]

Whether it be kcm minato, sm minato, or base minato...

Minato wins mid difficulty

FTG shouldn't be trifled with, especially when it can kill you before you realize what's going on.

 

[Avinash012]

And your point is? He did the same thing to Minato. Minato's title is completely irrelevant considering Madara's become a god. He could literally walk through any of Minato's attacks so why on earth would he bother countering Minato's kunai when he knows he can't do utter shit to him?

Lmao,There is a huge different b/w the Madara that fought Tobirama and the Madara that fought Minato and here my point is that Madara has no sigs of noticing Minato's kunai which plays a huge role against Nagato.Madara didn't noticed that Kunai coming = Minato's kunai throwing speed is out of charts and is anything above Nagato can follow and react.

Oh my God. Did you not read anything I wrote? IT WAS KABUTO CONTROLLING NAGATO. Kabuto didn't notice Nagato's field of vision was being blinded due to focusing on capturing Naruto and Bee and also due to having no prior experience with the Rinnegan. Nagato's in control here.

Lmao,Kabuto don't know about Nagato yet dude summoned all those shitty animals to cover Rinnegan's blind spots? Minato's Kunai throwing speed is just too much for Nagato,he ain't reacting to it,he never showed that kind of reactions to began with.

So what's your point? FTG's instant, doesn't matter if it's being used against the Juubi's host or mere fodder. Minato was so slow against Madara that he was able to land 3 attacks before Minato could think of using FTG to teleport out.

So u think fodders has the same reaction as Juubi's host to counter FTG?

My point: If Juubi's jinchuriki can't pull a jutsu to attack Minato and forced to use taijutusu to counter him then Nagato ain't doing shit against that kind of attack.I made it super clear in my last post but ur ignoring it because u don't want to accept it.

All in all, Minato has nothing to damage Nagato. If he uses Rasengan then it's absorbed via Preta Path. If it's a kunai strike then Nagato reinforces that part of his body with Asura Path making his attacks moot. Base Minato beating Nagato is a laughable thought. Don't try, please.

Physical attacks are rinnegan users weakness: Manga fact.

Rasengan works fine against Nagato as long as Minato managed to hit him b4 he pulls preta's ability.

 

[Touken]

Lmao,There is a huge different b/w the Madara that fought Tobirama and the Madara that fought Minato and here my point is that Madara has no sigs of noticing Minato's kunai which plays a huge role against Nagato.Madara didn't noticed that Kunai coming = Minato's kunai throwing speed is out of charts and is anything above Nagato can follow and react.

Keep believing that. You're insinuating that Minato throws his kunai at speeds which Madara can't even react to which is an utter load of nonsense.

Lmao,Kabuto don't know about Nagato yet dude summoned all those shitty animals to cover Rinnegan's blind spots? Minato's Kunai throwing speed is just too much for Nagato,he ain't reacting to it,he never showed that kind of reactions to began with.

Did I say he had no knowledge on the Rinnegan? No, I was talking about experience.

"kunai throwing speed"

How do I debate against someone who believes Minato's kunai are thrown at light speeds?

So u think fodders has the same reaction as Juubi's host to counter FTG?

My point: If Juubi's jinchuriki can't pull a jutsu to attack Minato and forced to use taijutusu to counter him then Nagato ain't doing shit against that kind of attack.I made it super clear in my last post but ur ignoring it because u don't want to accept it.

Did I say that? Hell, did I even imply that? Madara didn't react to FTG, he reacted to Minato's striking speed. Major difference. One is instant, the latter isn't.

You're making it super clear that Madara can't react to Minato's thrown kunai. I refuse to accept it because it's honestly nonsense.

Physical attacks are rinnegan users weakness: Manga fact.

Rasengan works fine against Nagato as long as Minato managed to hit him b4 he pulls preta's ability.

No, physical attacks are Edo Madara's weakness who didn't display any of the Paths except from Preta Path. Rinnegan users have no weakness except from being overwhelmed by devastating techniques. Taijutsu's rendered moot by Deva Path and Human Path. Ninjutsu's rendered moot by Preta Path. Rinnegan users' weakness: Genjutsu.

Yeah, that isn't happening. All Nagato has to do is think to activate Preta Path which is far faster than Minato's striking speed.

 

[Avinash012]

Keep believing that. You're insinuating that Minato throws his kunai at speeds which Madara can't even react to which is an utter load of nonsense.

So u have no argument other than this? First of all I have never said that Madara cannot counter Minato's kunai I said he didn't noticed it until Minato appeared b4 Madara,It happend in manga and saying otherwise is same as going against manga facts.Madara can beat the crap out of Minato even after that because he is Madara but Nagato can't do that.

Ur thinking that Nagato can pull something on Madara's level which is even more nonsense than my nonsense.

Did I say he had no knowledge on the Rinnegan? No, I was talking about experience.

"kunai throwing speed"

How do I debate against someone who believes Minato's kunai are thrown at light speeds?

1.Used every ability of every kage super effectively.
2.Used rinnegan more versatile than Nagato himself ever did.
3.Naruto prised that his abilities are on a whole new level.

Yet u thinks Kabuto is inexperienced,where does Kabuto said that Nagato failed because of his fault? He blamed Nagato's inability for losing and prised Itachi's skill means that he lost because of Itachi's skill and Nagato's inability.Hell Kabuto even provided backup with summons but still u think he is inexperienced?

Did I say that? Hell, did I even imply that? Madara didn't react to FTG, he reacted to Minato's striking speed. Major difference. One is instant, the latter isn't.
You're making it super clear that Madara can't react to Minato's thrown kunai. I refuse to accept it because it's honestly nonsense.

Twisting my point to another topic won't help u here.

I have never said that he can't react I said that he don't have time to pull a jutsu:big difference there.

The very fact that Madara managed to land more than one hit on Minato proves that he reacted to him.Iam pretty sure Iam not dumb enough to go against something so obviously like this.

No, physical attacks are Edo Madara's weakness who didn't display any of the Paths except from Preta Path.

And here our problem is preta,Madara's words says that physical attacks can bypassing preta which is more than enough.

Rinnegan users have no weakness except from being overwhelmed by devastating techniques. Taijutsu's rendered moot by Deva Path and Human Path. Ninjutsu's rendered moot by Preta Path. Rinnegan users' weakness: Genjutsu.

Can U plz provide the evidences for those claims.
Iam pretty sure physical attacks works on Rinnegan users and Ninjutsu also works on them as long as opponent can strike them b4 they can activate preta.

Yeah, that isn't happening. All Nagato has to do is think to activate Preta Path which is far faster than Minato's striking speed.

Lmao,good joke U got there.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nagato is so overrated now, simply because of flashy techniques. When the manga clearly shows that flashy techs are pointless when there is a skill gap between the opponents.

A master can beat an amateur who has more weapons, with just a dagger. Why? Skill gap.

Same thing here.

Old generation > newer generation.

 

[Bronze]

Nagato is so overrated now, simply because of flashy techniques. When the manga clearly shows that flashy techs are pointless when there is a skill gap between the opponents.

A master can beat an amateur who has more weapons, with just a dagger. Why? Skill gap.

Same thing here.

Old generation > newer generation.

Pretty sure Minato and Nagato are about the same age ._.

 

[Avinash012]

Nagato is so overrated now, simply because of flashy techniques. When the manga clearly shows that flashy techs are pointless when there is a skill gap between the opponents.

A master can beat an amateur who has more weapons, with just a dagger. Why? Skill gap.

Same thing here.

Old generation > newer generation.

Nagato and Minato are about the same age though.

Pretty sure Minato and Nagato are about the same age ._.

Lmao,U got me there.

& No need to mention Nagato has more experience than Minato though Minato has more battle experience IMO.


@Touken: Seems like we are not going anywhere with this so lets stop this.

End of the day:No matter how badly u look at it Nagato ain't reacting to that move like Madara did unless u think Nagato has current Madara level reactions.

OT:To avoid future misunderstandings "Nagato wins IMO and Iam only debating about Nagato reacting to FTG attack that was trolled by Madara."

 

[Touken]

So u have no argument other than this? First of all I have never said that Madara cannot counter Minato's kunai I said he didn't noticed it until Minato appeared b4 Madara,It happend in manga and saying otherwise is same as going against manga facts.Madara can beat the crap out of Minato even after that because he is Madara but Nagato can't do that.

Ur thinking that Nagato can pull something on Madara's level which is even more nonsense than my nonsense.

And why the balls do you think he didn't notice the thrown kunai? There's 2 conclusions:
-He couldn't react to the thrown kunai (which is what you're implying).
-He wasn't concentrating on Minato, Kakashi and Gaara due to talking to Obito which seems much, much more logical.

You don't have to be the host of the Juubi to react to Minato's kunai. It's ludicrous.

1.Used every ability of every kage super effectively.
2.Used rinnegan more versatile than Nagato himself ever did.
3.Naruto prised that his abilities are on a whole new level.

Yet u thinks Kabuto is inexperienced,where does Kabuto said that Nagato failed because of his fault? He blamed Nagato's inability for losing and prised Itachi's skill means that he lost because of Itachi's skill and Nagato's inability.Hell Kabuto even provided backup with summons but still u think he is inexperienced?

-Didn't know about the Sandaime's blind spot which led to the sealing of him.
-Which is based on the claim that we've never seen Nagato himself use the Rinnegan's powers. The claim you're making is also ludicrous because unlike Nagato, Kabuto doesn't have 20+ years of using the Rinnegan.
-Praised Kabuto's abilities? Don't recall this.

Nagato's immobility was gone as soon as he healed himself through absorbing Bee's chakra. It wasn't the immobility that led to Nagato's downfall, it's the fact that he didn't notice Nagato's field of vision was gone, and because of that he didn't see Itachi's Totsuka strike coming. Kabuto's never used the Rinnegan before and you've gotta be kidding me if you're claiming he's better with using the Rinnegan than Nagato.

Twisting my point to another topic won't help u here.

I have never said that he can't react I said that he don't have time to pull a jutsu:big difference there.

The very fact that Madara managed to land more than one hit on Minato proves that he reacted to him.Iam pretty sure Iam not dumb enough to go against something so obviously like this.

lmao, that's exactly what you're doing pal.

Why would he pull a jutsu? Honestly, why? When his mere attacks are enough to immobilize Minato? If he wanted to use his Onmyouten orbs then he could have, considering they

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even when Tobirama used FTG. The fact that he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't.

And here our problem is preta,Madara's words says that physical attacks can bypassing preta which is more than enough.

No, it's Preta, Asura and Deva.

Can U plz provide the evidences for those claims.
Iam pretty sure physical attacks works on Rinnegan users and Ninjutsu also works on them as long as opponent can strike them b4 they can activate preta.

They only work on Rinnegan users if they can get close enough to them in the 5 second interval between each Shinra Tensei usage and that itself is extremely difficult, especially against Nagato who can use Asura Path apply pressure between those intervals. Preta Path can activate with just a thought. No opponent can strike a Rinnegan user before he can activate Preta Path.

Lmao,good joke U got there.

Trust me, I've read a few things that have made me laugh even more.

I guess I'll stop too then. If you reply to this post I won't reply back. It's taking up time watching HxH.

 

[Omar19992010]

Nagato High Difficulty

 

[Avinash012]

And why the balls do you think he didn't notice the thrown kunai? There's 2 conclusions:
-He couldn't react to the thrown kunai (which is what you're implying).
-He wasn't concentrating on Minato, Kakashi and Gaara due to talking to Obito which seems much, much more logical.

You don't have to be the host of the Juubi to react to Minato's kunai. It's ludicrous.

There is a huge difference b/w not noticing and not reacting u won't get my point as long as u don't know the difference.

-Didn't know about the Sandaime's blind spot which led to the sealing of him.

Lmao,who said that it is his blind spot ? Did anyone other than Raikage knew about it? and who expected Naruto to come up with such an idea?

-Which is based on the claim that we've never seen Nagato himself use the Rinnegan's powers. The claim you're making is also ludicrous because unlike Nagato, Kabuto doesn't have 20+ years of using the Rinnegan.
-Praised Kabuto's abilities? Don't recall this.

Lmao,Ur obviously not even reading my posts properly Naruto prised Nagato's rinnegen abilities for being on a whole new level.
If ur going to call my argument ludicrous then U need to back ur point up with manga proofs so plz give me the scans of Nagato using rinnegan abilities better than his EDO self then we can talk.

Nagato's immobility was gone as soon as he healed himself through absorbing Bee's chakra. It wasn't the immobility that led to Nagato's downfall, it's the fact that he didn't notice Nagato's field of vision was gone, and because of that he didn't see Itachi's Totsuka strike coming. Kabuto's never used the Rinnegan before and you've gotta be kidding me if you're claiming he's better with using the Rinnegan than Nagato.

Manga stated otherwise:

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lmao, that's exactly what you're doing pal.

Why would he pull a jutsu? Honestly, why? When his mere attacks are enough to immobilize Minato? If he wanted to use his Onmyouten orbs then he could have, considering they

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even when Tobirama used FTG. The fact that he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't.

Can u prove that he can? Should I give u the scans of Obito defending himself with Orbs even after team Naruto managed to hit him with Enton FRS?

No, it's Preta, Asura and Deva.

How could this proves that physical attacks are useless? Yes,I know that they can provide defence but the is a difference b/w attacks not working and being countered so physical attacks can hurt Nagato as long as Minato managed to hit him.

They only work on Rinnegan users if they can get close enough to them in the 5 second interval between each Shinra Tensei usage and that itself is extremely difficult, especially against Nagato who can use Asura Path apply pressure between those intervals. Preta Path can activate with just a thought. No opponent can strike a Rinnegan user before he can activate Preta Path.

Throwing the kunai and getting near Madara took far less than 5 Secns for Minato.

I guess I'll stop too then. If you reply to this post I won't reply back. It's taking up time watching HxH.

Fine by me & sorry I didn't noticed this point at first otherwise I wouldn't have answered to ur post.

Have a good day.

 

[Gold Lightning]

My bad if my arguments are weak right now, countering three people on another thread. v_v

No worries.

 

[shelke]

Nagato low-mid difference. Any close Ranged attack is countered with Petra. Nagato can use his Chameleon Summon to drag Minato in and use Human path as well if Minato gets too close for comfort. In terms of lasting the other out, then Nagato's chakra reserves give him this luxury.

 

[Minator93]

Lel, Base Minato wins against Nagato with Med to High Diff, SM Minato stomps him U_U

 

[End of Days]

Preta path can neither absorb metals

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nor can it can do anything against invisible frog kata punches

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[Drax]

SM Minato high-diff.You people overrate Nagato way too much.

 

[HNIC]

Is this really a discussion? Nagato wins, the man was never defeated and never had the intent to kill.

 

[Excite]

Nagato knows all 6 elements he mastered techinques down to Kyōmen Shūja no Jutsu & genjutsu his arsenal is berserk
, We seen how deva put the beat on Minato 3 giant summonings and Fukasaku on top of that has a higher chakra level on took on the whole leaf village so his stamina is way higher.


Nagato win Mid diff