Nagato vs MS Obito
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Last i checked,obito's "intangibility" worked only by warping parts of his body, shinra tensei affects the whole body,ergo intangibility is useless as the part that is still here will be pasted.
If obito chooses to warp his entire body,then that means he will teleport himself to the kamui land which is longer than warping another person,or intangibility,thus shinra tensei breaks every bone in his body if he tries that.
Thus either way,kamui is of no defence to an ST
asura laser beam from the puppet carries an aoe of a city block,one from nagato will be much bigger,allowing him to easily attack from a distance without needing ST
Rain tiger at will tech,tells nagato which body part is still in this dimension at any point in time,this,accompanied by his sensory abilities,(one which allowed him find kabuto kilometres away despite a barrier meant to disrupt sensing),and his multpile eyes via 2 extra faces and summons and his reflexes,allowing him to react to An FRS at point blank while basically splitting his attention between deva and his main body,means obito is not even getting close,and even if he does,the moment he lays a hand on nagato,he gets pasted.
Obito tricking nagato into using an ST wont work because nagato will know just when he is there and not there,infact,nagato with the rinnegan can see his chakra,thus he can easily tell which body parts are here and whats not.
Also tricking him is futile because an ST will hit obito regardless of whether he goes intangible as it will either
- affect his whole body,thus pasting the part that is not warped or
- nagato focuses an ST on the part still here and still pastes him
also whats obito's counter to the chamelion if nagato should hide inside it?,how is he gonna know when nagato wants to attack?.
If nagato chooses to attack with an ST,obito cant counter,unless he is already intangible before then,cuz while intangibility might be instant,his reflexes and reactions are not,so an instant attack like ST will hit him if he isnt already intangible and even if he is,he will still be hit.
Nagato both scenarios
If obito chooses to warp his entire body,then that means he will teleport himself to the kamui land which is longer than warping another person,or intangibility,thus shinra tensei breaks every bone in his body if he tries that.
Thus either way,kamui is of no defence to an ST
asura laser beam from the puppet carries an aoe of a city block,one from nagato will be much bigger,allowing him to easily attack from a distance without needing ST
Rain tiger at will tech,tells nagato which body part is still in this dimension at any point in time,this,accompanied by his sensory abilities,(one which allowed him find kabuto kilometres away despite a barrier meant to disrupt sensing),and his multpile eyes via 2 extra faces and summons and his reflexes,allowing him to react to An FRS at point blank while basically splitting his attention between deva and his main body,means obito is not even getting close,and even if he does,the moment he lays a hand on nagato,he gets pasted.
Obito tricking nagato into using an ST wont work because nagato will know just when he is there and not there,infact,nagato with the rinnegan can see his chakra,thus he can easily tell which body parts are here and whats not.
Also tricking him is futile because an ST will hit obito regardless of whether he goes intangible as it will either
- affect his whole body,thus pasting the part that is not warped or
- nagato focuses an ST on the part still here and still pastes him
also whats obito's counter to the chamelion if nagato should hide inside it?,how is he gonna know when nagato wants to attack?.
If nagato chooses to attack with an ST,obito cant counter,unless he is already intangible before then,cuz while intangibility might be instant,his reflexes and reactions are not,so an instant attack like ST will hit him if he isnt already intangible and even if he is,he will still be hit.
Nagato both scenarios
You clearly don't understand the mechanism of Kamui's intangibility. While in Kamui mode, the body parts getting into physical contact overlap with the object and BECOME intangible. It's not Obito manually navigating it (which he could).
Attacks aren't working on Obito. He is immune to it. Forget about Asura-Laser etc.
Attacks aren't working on Obito. He is immune to it. Forget about Asura-Laser etc.
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Last i checled gravity isnt exactly a physical object,its just a space-time distortion,nor is an explosion,which is why he had to run to his dimension to evade an exploding mini bijudama. His body wont be overlapping anything because it wont touch anything.
It dosent really matter anyway,once he tries to warp nagato,he has to materialize,he gets pasted,
if he tries to trick an ST,it wont work,cuz nagato can both sense and see that he is either materialized or intangible,and if he chooses to materialize he gets pasted,because shinra tensei is instant,faster than his reactions can perceieve.
A laser will kepp him intangible,meaning he cant touch nagato either. So its quite useful.
No matter any way you play it,he isnt getting the drop on nagato
It dosent really matter anyway,once he tries to warp nagato,he has to materialize,he gets pasted,
if he tries to trick an ST,it wont work,cuz nagato can both sense and see that he is either materialized or intangible,and if he chooses to materialize he gets pasted,because shinra tensei is instant,faster than his reactions can perceieve.
A laser will kepp him intangible,meaning he cant touch nagato either. So its quite useful.
No matter any way you play it,he isnt getting the drop on nagato
Nagato may be faster than fu, but that doesn't mean he can sense faster than him. Speed & reflexes =/= sensory speed, as far as we know there is no distinction between how fast someone can sense chakra as opposed to another sensor [as far as I can recall, I don't believe I'm missing anything].
Nagato may have a jutsu that can be activated by thought, however he first has to think about using it, & that thought comes after sensing that there's an enemy nearby. Okay I will admit that using fu wasn't the best example seeing as he doesn't have any significant reaction feats, but I dropped that example & moved on to karin who should be able to sense just as fast as nagato.
Lol How is this bad logic? Smh you didn't even address my karin example which applies to my point better than the fu one did. I obviously know that there's a difference between reflexes & sensing, I was talking about their "sensing speed". All sensors sense chakra at the exact same time. The factor which determines if they can prepare for the jutsu or not is their reflexes, but that's not what I'm talking about here.
I don't see [or remember] anything which states that there is a difference between the speeds of sensors picking up on chakra, so the most likely conclusion is that there is none. If that's the case then nagato will find himself in the same situation as karin who couldn't sense obito as he saved sasuke from the jinton.
Lol Of course it's relevant, you're just failing to see the validity in it.
As I told KG, I moved on to the karin example [which makes your first paragraph irrelevant].
@Bold: Mu disagrees. [
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]& In any case, even if karin doesn't have passive sensing, she was sensing during the time that sasuke got rescued. [
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] That means she was unable to detect him despite having her sensing active. & As I already said since there is no implied distinction regarding the sensing speed between the various sensor ninja, then nagato will be in the same boat as her [which makes the last paragraph of your post irrelevant].
We've seen that it takes some people at least a while to sense
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Nagato was able to sense Amaterasu building up. There's every indication that he's much faster than Fuu when it comes to sensing. Not to mention Fuu did Notice him as soon as he appeared and reacted despite having no intel on his abilities
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. He gets blasted away as long as there's no cool down.
Sensing? Itachi cut off Nagato's arm. Sensing only helps when the user is using sensing.
Shinra Tensei is an physical attack; it affects the physical body of the object and Obito, while he has Kamui activated, will just overlap with the blast and go intangible.
Shinra Tensei is an physical attack; it affects the physical body of the object and Obito, while he has Kamui activated, will just overlap with the blast and go intangible.
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Like I said, Nagato reacts faster than Fu, because he is faster. Not because of his sensing speed, which doesn't exist.
The Karin example is still bad logic because Nagato is faster than her. You sense and then react. The reacting part depends on your reactions, not your sensing speed, which again, isn't even a real term. Nagato>>>>Karin when it comes to reactions. So that still isn't a good example.
Don't know why you aren't talking about this when reflexes is the reason why Nagato will be able to react after sensing Obito.
I know there isn't, but Karin's reactions aren't as good as Nagato's, so why are you using her as an example? And no, he won't be in the same position as Karin. Obito's chakra isn't able to be sensed when he's intangible, which he was for most of the time when he saved Sasuke. Not to mention the two scenarios aren't even remotely the same thing. Karin wasn't focused on Obito, at all, nor did she know he was even there, and she had the distraction of the Gokage, and Sasuke's being seemingly killed. Nagato is going to be focused on Obito 100% of the time, and he needs to become tangible long enough to touch Nagato and suck him in, during that time period, S/T pastes him.
Which is what he'd be doing when Obito suddenly disappears. Not to mention Nagato has shown to sense during battle. No reason why he'd not do the same here.
You already stated this yourself, when in "Kamui Mode" that happens. He needs to turn that off to attempt to warp. Couple that with the fact he won't see Shinra Tensei coming, he gets hit just how Minato hit him.