Nagato vs MS Obito

[blazekev90]

Dunno if nagato has faster sensory "reflexes" [can sense faster than others], but obito has already easily warped away a sensor, fu. [

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] I fail to see how obito can't apply the same strategy to quickly dispatch nagato.

Obito wins both scenarios, high diff for the first & mid for the 2nd.

Clearly ST to the face. -_-

Don't compare a fodder to Nagato. The moment he fully revealed himself, as shown in the scan he's plowed. Fu lacked the ability to counter such an incident, which is why he stood there helpless. he wasn't caught by surprise, he knew it was an inevitable defeat.

 

[Draphsin]

Clearly ST to the face. -_-

Don't compare a fodder to Nagato. The moment he fully revealed himself, as shown in the scan he's plowed. Fu lacked the ability to counter such incident, he wasn't caught by surprise.

A sensor is a sensor, unless you can show me that nagato's sensory abilities are faster then they will both react at the same time, fodder or not is irrelevant, I'm comparing their sensory abilities.

How do you know what jutsus fu had? Who knows if he had a counter or not the point is he couldn't possibly do anything due to being outsped.

Here's a better comparison, nagato is an uzumaki, well so is karin. Now tell me why in

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, karin couldn't even sense obito's chakra. Obito warped so fast that an uzumaki sensor couldn't even sense him as he saved sasuke, this shows that having sensory abilities are meaningless because kamui is simply that fast.

Karin & nagato seem to be a good comparison, & the chakra from the jinton wouldnt obstruct karin in any way since she can sense chakra signatures. So there's no excuse why she couldn't sense him, unless you want to disregard it as plot..

 

[Inert Brian]

No cool down for Scenario 1? Nagato med diffs.

Tobi's phasing centers on one area of the body. Shinra Tensei will hit every body part at the same time. He stands 0 chance, enough Shinra Tenseis will slow Tobi down which will make it even harder to pull off Kamui warps which of course is what he needs to win this fight. Add sensory on top of limitless ST and Tobi gets outlasted for the most part. Izanagi won't help when he won't even be able to touch him to begin with.

Scenario 2: Obito high diff. All Obito needs is one **** up with ST, and Nagato is done for. Uchiha flame formation counters summonings, and the other paths except for human path are a threat to Tobi (he can phase through Nagato's soul rip attempt).

Obito gets plenty of chances at Nagato screwing up ST due to Izanagi.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dunno if nagato has faster sensory "reflexes" [can sense faster than others], but obito has already easily warped away a sensor, fu. [

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] I fail to see how obito can't apply the same strategy to quickly dispatch nagato.

Obito wins both scenarios, high diff for the first & mid for the 2nd.

Lol....Nagato>Fu in speed all around, not to mention Fu didn't have a jutsu that can be activated at a thought. Nagato does, and it will repel Obito and he will get turned to paste. If you believe he had a jutsu, then get evidence.

A sensor is a sensor, unless you can show me that nagato's sensory abilities are faster then they will both react at the same time, fodder or not is irrelevant, I'm comparing their sensory abilities.

How do you know what jutsus fu had? Who knows if he had a counter or not the point is he couldn't possibly do anything due to being outsped.

Here's a better comparison, nagato is an uzumaki, well so is karin. Now tell me why in

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, karin couldn't even sense obito's chakra. Obito warped so fast that an uzumaki sensor couldn't even sense him as he saved sasuke, this shows that having sensory abilities are meaningless because kamui is simply that fast.

Karin & nagato seem to be a good comparison, & the chakra from the jinton wouldnt obstruct karin in any way since she can sense chakra signatures. So there's no excuse why she couldn't sense him, unless you want to disregard it as plot..

This is some bad logic you're using here. Since when did all sensors react at the same time? Will BM Naruto react as fast as Fu? Cause they are both sensors? Lmfao. Reflexes obviously play a part in reacting, not just sensing. Nagato's>>Fu's, so warping Fu with no reaction doesn't equate to warping Nagato with no reaction.

 

[Braiyan]

Konan was able to detonate her explosive tags while in the middle of being warped by Obito. And this is the same person who failed to dodge Jiraiya's Toad Oil Blast. Nagato not being able to react in time to an attack Konan could is laughable.

 

[KidGamer65]

Konan was able to detonate her explosive tags while in the middle of being warped by Obito. And this is the same person who failed to dodge Jiraiya's Toad Oil Blast. Nagato not being able to react in time to an attack Konan could is laughable.

This as well. lmao.

 

[Blunt]

Nagato wins the first scenario, his Rain technique and no CD with ST means Obito is never warping him as he will sense any attempts and react accordingly. Nagato can pressure him with Asura Path and Animal Path, forcing him to use his intangibility more often. In the end of it all, one well placed ST or chakra receiver can end this.

 

[ARGUS]

so there are ocular techs can't be sensed just like Deva path, sasuke’s rinn shifting and kamui ]

Yep, but not long range kamui

I don't know why you don't want to admit that kamui can't be sensed, never was sensed

even jiubi jin like madara couldn't know that kakashi and obito were going to use kamui together

Actually madara was anticipating them to use kamui, te only difference was that the speed of kamui was changed nothing more

even sm minato didn't know that kakashi warped his senpo rasengan away

He ran out of SM the moment he got attacked by madara, and lost his arm
which was why he couldnt sense the kakashi using kamui

when kakashi warped madara’s gudomas away, why didn't madara evade it by moving the gudoma ball which surround him?

Because madara was tryiing to protect himself from getting ragdolled by Guy,
the TSB were the shield for him,

saying kamui can be sensed just like amatrasu is a pure assumption, equalising kamui and amatrasu is totally unfair

what do you think?

Kamui requires the built up of chakra to form the void that connects the two dimensions,

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it can be sensed just like amaterasu, the only difference is that the chakra built up isnt that long,

 

[wael reda]

Yep, but not long range kamui


Actually madara was anticipating them to use kamui, te only difference was that the speed of kamui was changed nothing more


He ran out of SM the moment he got attacked by madara, and lost his arm
which was why he couldnt sense the kakashi using kamui


Because madara was tryiing to protect himself from getting ragdolled by Guy,
the TSB were the shield for him,

Kamui requires the built up of chakra to form the void that connects the two dimensions,

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it can be sensed just like amaterasu, the only difference is that the chakra built up isnt that long,

Madara didn't know that they were going to use kamui together but thought that one of them was going to use it

How do you know that he ran out of sm chakra at that exact second ,sm naruto was hit many times in the manga but he didn't lose his senjutsu as a result from that hitting
Even jiraya didn't lose sage mode when his arm was cut off

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Not to mention that minato is sensor at base

Madara couldn't evade kamui because he couldn't sense it and because it was fast to him to evade ,he didn't need to get out of the gudoma shield ,he could have moved the whole shield to evade kamui but he didn't and before you say it ,yes gudoma is as fast as madara himself seeing how gudomas balls accompany him all time even while using his shunshin

Even what you say makes no sense ,your saying madara really sensed kamui and he could have evaded it by going out but he didn't because he needed to be protected by this shield makes no sense because this shield was going to be erased anyway

Nothing in these scans supports your idea ,he made it at time ,that means he reacted at time
Also using the first time for kakashi to use kamui is a weak argument ,kakashi used kamui more than once the moment he needed it to warp objects like(senpo rasengan,susano arrows,gedo's arm,kaguya's portal...etc )

Not to mention that obi to never builded up chakra for intangibility or short range kamui which are versions of kamui and need connecting both dimensions ,neither it was Ever sensed when obi to uses his intangibility

The common thing between these ocular techs that can't be sensed is that thier outcome has no chakra ,deva path ability has no chakra ,means that the gravity he creates isn't chakra ,also kamui barrier has no chakra ,also sasuke's rinn shifting has no chakra ,he just disappears and reappears but on the other hand ,amatrasu is chakra and was described by hinata as a strong chakra

 

[Strict]

Konan was able to detonate her explosive tags while in the middle of being warped by Obito. And this is the same person who failed to dodge Jiraiya's Toad Oil Blast. Nagato not being able to react in time to an attack Konan could is laughable.

False. Konan prepared them to fire them the moment Obito absorb her, in order to kill him together with herself. Obito was the one to react and timely stopped his absorption before being killed. Nagato however has an interval of five seconds after each usage.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Minato had more than enough time to warp, and how is Obito going to touch Nagato to even begin warping him? Oh wait, he won't.

Obito warped Sakura without contact Nagato would suffer the same fate.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Minato had more than enough time to warp, and how is Obito going to touch Nagato to even begin warping him? Oh wait, he won't.

Obito warped Sakura without contact Nagato would suffer the same fate.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito warped Sakura without contact Nagato would suffer the same fate.

He was in his dimension. He warps things from there without contact all the time (Shuriken, Kunai, etc), Sakura isn't any different. Not to mention contact doesn't change the fact that he needs to be tangible, thus ST to the face, thus he dies in one strike.

 

[Strict]

He was in his dimension. He warps things from there without contact all the time (Shuriken, Kunai, etc), Sakura isn't any different. Not to mention contact doesn't change the fact that he needs to be tangible, thus ST to the face, thus he dies in one strike.

And if Obito simulates to lay a hand on Nagato

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? Nagato's Shinra Tensei would then come to nothing. At least when Obito increases the surprise-effect by appearing

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him, Nagato would probably react with a Shinra Tensei as the fastest option to get rid of Obito. One miss by Nagato and he is done, and Obito is decidedly capable of implementing those tactics.

 

[Braiyan]

False. Konan prepared them to fire them the moment Obito absorb her,

Not false. The mere fact that they detonated at all before the warp was completed means she had the reflexes to activate them before she could be warped, which is what I said in the post you replied to.

in order to kill him together with herself. Obito was the one to react and timely stopped his absorption before being killed.

... after losing an arm in the process.

Nagato however has an interval of five seconds after each usage.

Not sure what this has to do with my original post.

 

[blazekev90]

A sensor is a sensor, unless you can show me that nagato's sensory abilities are faster then they will both react at the same time, fodder or not is irrelevant, I'm comparing their sensory abilities.

How do you know what jutsus fu had? Who knows if he had a counter or not the point is he couldn't possibly do anything due to being outsped.

Here's a better comparison, nagato is an uzumaki, well so is karin. Now tell me why in

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, karin couldn't even sense obito's chakra. Obito warped so fast that an uzumaki sensor couldn't even sense him as he saved sasuke, this shows that having sensory abilities are meaningless because kamui is simply that fast.

Karin & nagato seem to be a good comparison, & the chakra from the jinton wouldnt obstruct karin in any way since she can sense chakra signatures. So there's no excuse why she couldn't sense him, unless you want to disregard it as plot..

Irrelevant post. It's not a matter of whether their sensing ability differs, it's their ability to counter Kamui. The scan you provided illustrated Fu's inability to counter Obito, hence his reason for standing their hopelessly as Obito; reappear, spoke and wrapped him. Nagato, on the other hand, has the ability to counter Obito in that instance.

Also, Nagato has shown automatic sensing, while others have had to manually activate it. This important for many reasons, reasons I'm sure you could think of.

 

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@Braiyan

That's absolutely false and has nothing to do with speed and reflexes. Konan surrounded Obito with paper, partly dissolving herself in paper as well, which she mixed with paper bomb tags. Obito ended up absorbing Konan together with the swarm of papers, which were mixed with paper bombs exploding in reaction. That was a prepared suicide assassination and has nothing to do with reflexes and speed. Obito managed to safe Sasuke's ass from the Jinton and reacted to Ay's speed; it's foolish to talk about Konan.

 

[blazekev90]

@Braiyan

That's absolutely false and has nothing to do with speed and reflexes. Konan surrounded Obito with paper, partly dissolving herself in paper as well, which she mixed with paper bomb tags. Obito ended up absorbing Konan together with the swarm of papers, which were mixed with paper bombs exploding in reaction. That was a prepared suicide assassination and has nothing to do with reflexes and speed. Obito managed to safe Sasuke's ass from the Jinton and reacted to Ay's speed; it's foolish to talk about Konan.

Obito's kamui only requires mental preparation. The reason he can easily avoid such direct attacks, it's nearly instant. However, his speed/reflexes generally are just above average. We witness against Gai and Kakashi.

 

[Braiyan]

That was a prepared suicide assassination and has nothing to do with reflexes and speed.

Except for the part where

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[Strict]

Except for the part where

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Your own first scan disagrees with your argumentation based on Kamui's warping speed. Obito did not just warp Konan, but in fact a far larger entity of paper.

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That, in fact, wasn't made unintended by Konan, as she enforced a lengthened absorption, which gave her the chance to detonate the bombs which she mixed with that entity. Absorbing only a human takes a second.

Don't get me wrong; Nagato would use his Shinra Tensei before Obito absorbs him, but the 5 seconds interval will be his downfall, as Obito has his ways to provoke it.