Nagato vs MS Obito

[KidGamer65]

Location: Madara vs. Gokage

Restrictions: Gedo Mazo.

Conditions: This is Obito with one 3-T Sharingan and one Mangekyo. Nagato doesn't have a cooldown on Deva Path's jutsu, except the large scale version of Shinra Tensei. Nagato is rejuvenated, but not an Edo Tensei.

Intel: Full

Distance: 20m

Scenario 2: Nagato's Deva Jutsu get a cool down.

Who wins?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

If he is quick to utilize the Asura Path in a similar manner to what the puppet corpse had, I'd give him the victory. Being able to see in every direction coupled with the ability to use Shinra Tensei the second you see (or sense,) your opponent's pretty valuable. He'd likely outlast Obito but I wouldn't blow off the chance of Obito being hit by a Shinra Tensei and having several of his bones broken in the end.

Without a continuous Shinra Tensei, Obito will manage to warp him inbetween seconds. Unless he is able to get off the Preta path in time to counter act the Kamui absorption - But even that's unlikely.

Scenario 1: Nagato mid to likely high difficulties.

Scenario 2: Obito Mid diff.

 

[ARGUS]

Conditions: This is Obito with one 3-T Sharingan and one Mangekyo. Nagato doesn't have a cooldown on Deva Path's jutsu, except the large scale version of Shinra Tensei. Nagato is rejuvenated, but not an Edo Tensei.

Nagato wins this scenario rather easily

--With no cool down on his Deva paths at all, whenever Obito would manifest physically in-order to warp, he simply gets blown away by ST, until he eventually gets pinned down, allowing nagato to finish him off

--Obito is also not standing back up from large scale ST within seconds either meaning that he wont be able to warp nagato during his Cool down

--Obito simply lacks any way to attackk nagato here, and jutsus such as his katons and tiny mokutons are not doing shit

--Full intel definitely helps nagato more than obito here, especially when the former has no CD

Scenario 2: Nagato's Deva Jutsu get a cool down.

Obito wins this more times than not

--Obito can now definitely warp nagato off during his CD,as a small ST simply wont suffice, therefore allowing obito to teleport right towards nagato through kamui, and warp him off,

 

[Demonic.]

No cool down period means Obito can't warp Nagato. The only reason Obito beats Nagato is because of his tricky Kamui, but in general Nagato is much more powerful than Obito.

Nagato wins due to no cool down.

 

[Beans2]

In an actual battle Nagato has no way to land a hit on Obito or counter Kamui. His sensing makes this difficult for Obito since the moment he materializes he will be sensed. Asura cannons are probably not quik enough to kill Obito before he warps Nagato away. Obito mid-high diff.

With your conditions of nagato having no cooldown time, nagato wins.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Nagato wins first scene. Shinra Tensei/bansho tenin without cool down is pretty dangerous

Obito win second one with moderate ease

 

[madvictory]

Nagato extremely high-diff on the first scenario.
Obito stomps on the second scenario, though.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Obito wins both scenarios. Removing the cooldown won't change the outcome as Nagato still lacks a way to hurt Obito.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Obito wins both scenarios. Removing the cooldown won't change the outcome as Nagato still lacks a way to hurt Obito.

@Bold, and Obito does?

 

[Touken]

Nagato wins both scenarios.

 

[RustledJimmies]

@Bold, and Obito does?

Phasing through all of his attacks until he runs out of chakra ?

 

[wael reda]

nagato wins first S but probably loses second one

 

[Unorthodox]

Phasing through all of his attacks until he runs out of chakra ?

Nagato and obito has about the same chakra furthermore nagato wont use shira tensei unless he absoulutely needs too

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Phasing through all of his attacks until he runs out of chakra ?

I asked, scenario 1, in what does Obito have to put Nagato down.

 

[Selan]

How can Nagato kill Obito? He actually can't hit him. Obito warps him with Kamui touch before or later.

 

[RustledJimmies]

I asked, scenario 1, in what does Obito have to put Nagato down.

Outlasting him with Kamui and finishing him off with Mokuton ?

 

[ARGUS]

Obito wins both scenarios. Removing the cooldown won't change the outcome as Nagato still lacks a way to hurt Obito.

Yes it will, it will change everything, as whenever obito even tries of attacking he gets blown awy by ST
the continous ST allows nagato to prevent himself from obito throughout the battle,

Phasing through all of his attacks until he runs out of chakra ?

Yeah thats not happening, when obito has no way of perceiving ST at all, not even a sensor such as SM naruto could,
Nagatos reserves are also superior to Obitos, and the toll on Obito getting blown away is clearly higher than nagato just using his ST,

Outlasting him with Kamui and finishing him off with Mokuton ?

he is not outlasting nagato especially when he gets blown away by ST the moment he solidifies to attack, and is taking more damage than nagato throughout the fight,
he is also not outlasting nagato especially when he has iintel on kamui and would know to only use ST when obito would manifest physically,

his mere mokutons are also not doing shit, they are either destroyed by shurado missiles or simply laughed at by ST

 

[RustledJimmies]

Yes it will, it will change everything, as whenever obito even tries of attacking he gets blown awy by ST
the continous ST allows nagato to prevent himself from obito throughout the battle,

He has full knowledge here, no reason to go straight for the kill.

Yeah thats not happening, when obito has no way of perceiving ST at all, not even a sensor such as SM naruto could,
Nagatos reserves are also superior to Obitos, and the toll on Obito getting blown away is clearly higher than nagato just using his ST,

Even if it does hit Obito, ST is just a repulsive force, on its own it has no DC at all (at least the weaker versions), it only does significant damage to the opponent when they collide with something (e.g. the ground), once Obito starts to get repelled, he activates Kamui, and thus stopping him from colliding with any objects and receiving any kind of significant damage. Or he simply activates Izanagi.

It doesn't matter if Nagato's reserves are higher. Nagato's techniques cost him considerably more chakra than Kamui costs from Obito, that is enough for him to outlast Nagato.

he is not outlasting nagato especially when he gets blown away by ST the moment he solidifies to attack, and is taking more damage than nagato throughout the fight,

Read above.

he is also not outlasting nagato especially when he has iintel on kamui and would know to only use ST when obito would manifest physically,

Obito doesn't manifest physically, in fact, he is always physically "manifested", he only warps his body parts (the ones that are about to get hit by the incoming attack) to Kamui dimension and warps them back immediately after the attack phases through, making it seem as if he phased through them, he doesn't need to be "tangible" to attack, as he doesn't warp all of his body parts when the enemy attacks, he only needs to be "tangible" to warp his opponents or himself.

Nagato having intel changes nothing, he can use ST all he wants, he isn't doing shit to Obito.

his mere mokutons are also not doing shit, they are either destroyed by shurado missiles or simply laughed at by ST

Outlasting = when Nagato runs out of chakra. He can't use ST or Shurado missiles if he has no chakra.

 

[Eternal Sage]

nagato wins scenario 1 because obito has no way to beat him and scenario 2 is debatable

 

[lucario14]

Obito still has izanagi/izanami at his disposal. 5 minutes of izanagi or he goes for izanami, which could turn the tide of the battle. Kamui absorption is pretty slow, even minato evaded so I think nagato can evade to by using asura path to fire a missile point blank. Could he even absorb kamui using preta path? It's tough but I give it to obito high diff 1st condition.