Nagato vs Minato
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Avinash012
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Minato needs chakra to perform FTG.
Can anyone that can absorb chankra/jutsu absorb FTG?
They are simple simple markings. The markings are the aftermate of the jutsu used to create them(jutsu shiki). To activate the hiraishin no jutsu, the user places a special seal or "technique formula" (術式, jutsu-shiki) to mark an intended destination. After this is done, they can enter a dimensional void at will that instantaneously transports them to the location of the seal.
Avinash012
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I don't care even if Bogard is a fanboy or Ur a hater but ur clearly wrong here.
Obito never used his ninjutsu cancillation ability b4 taking full control over Juubi to assume that he cancelled/get rid of marking with that ability and the most importent thing is that he didn't use that ability to get rid of Tobirama's seal which means that he don't have that kind of ability otherwise he would have removed that seal atleast after learning the fact that Senjutsu is his weakness.
Minato placed his seal on Obito's body which means that he can remove the seal by removing/damaging his skin at that part of his body since it is not possible to erase it normally.Anyone with minimum commonsense can understand this logic and as Bogard already stated in his post absorbing Juubi greatly effected Obito's body especially his skin which is why Minato's seal on Obito's body disappeared.
There are some jutsu's that can't be absorbed even if we need chakra to perform them.
examples are : FTG,Kamui and RDS,the same way seals can't be absorbed.
I would be surprised if Chakra in the form of a seal can exist for decades. Wouldn't this peace of Chakra vanish sometime? At least when Minato died. And if the seal was merely Chakra, Obito somehow would've been able to get rid off of it or at least track this place as it contained a piece of Chakra, but he seemingly didn't even notice he had the mark all the time.
Here is how it works in my opinion. The user marks the intended target with the seal, and the seal has no chakra. When the user wants to Hiraishin to the mark, they focus their chakra onto the seal, and that is how they jump.
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lol Funny that people are bashing Bogard even though he is correct, the Hiraishin mark isn't made of chakra. Saying its obvious that it is made of such is retarded considering Fuinjutsu markings aren't usually made of chakra.
They can be drawn as well, showing that they aren't all made of chakra, Minato placing it with his hand doesn't mean that its made of chakra, not at all, and Minato placing it with his hand doesn't mean its any different from what is shown above.
I'd like to point out that when he lost the Bijuu, his Jin body "collapsed" into a bunch of scales and revealed his original appearance. [
As Strict pointed out, Obito's Onmyoton ability should have helped to remove the seal Tobirama placed on him if it was mere chakra.
Or the Juubi's power simply made it vanish, who knows? These are all assumptions.
-He can teleport to a marking or anything that his chakra is touching. THAT is how it was described in the manga. Your explanation is pretty much an altered version of what was stated.
Since when were all Ninjutsu even made of chakra? This is something we should ALL know this far into the manga. You don't even have a legit argument explaining why its made of chakra. A seal that lingered on Obito's neck for 16 yrs being made of Minato's chakra (Who has been dead all those 16 years) isn't likely.
Danzo had a Reverse Four Symbols seal on his chest the whole time, yet Sasuke and Obito (Despite having Sharingan, which lets them see chakra) never noticed it until it was active. [
It being used for a jutsu that requires chakra to perform=/=Being made of chakra.
It being made using chakra=/=It being made of chakra.
They can be drawn as well, showing that they aren't all made of chakra, Minato placing it with his hand doesn't mean that its made of chakra, not at all, and Minato placing it with his hand doesn't mean its any different from what is shown above.
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You assume here that it needs to be made of chakra for it to disappear. Which is baseless.
I'd like to point out that when he lost the Bijuu, his Jin body "collapsed" into a bunch of scales and revealed his original appearance. [
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] That could have had something to do with the mark not working anymore, instead of it vanishing, it was "sealed".As Strict pointed out, Obito's Onmyoton ability should have helped to remove the seal Tobirama placed on him if it was mere chakra.
Or the Juubi's power simply made it vanish, who knows? These are all assumptions.
-All Fuinjutsu markings aren't made of chakra, so again, saying that Bogard's claim that it isn't made of chakra is idiotic, doesn't make sense.
-He can teleport to a marking or anything that his chakra is touching. THAT is how it was described in the manga. Your explanation is pretty much an altered version of what was stated.
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Since when were all Ninjutsu even made of chakra? This is something we should ALL know this far into the manga. You don't even have a legit argument explaining why its made of chakra. A seal that lingered on Obito's neck for 16 yrs being made of Minato's chakra (Who has been dead all those 16 years) isn't likely.
Danzo had a Reverse Four Symbols seal on his chest the whole time, yet Sasuke and Obito (Despite having Sharingan, which lets them see chakra) never noticed it until it was active. [
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]It being used for a jutsu that requires chakra to perform=/=Being made of chakra.
It being made using chakra=/=It being made of chakra.
Minato wins this. Why ??. Even though Minato has more to show, in my opinion he has shown feats enough to defeat Nagato. So let's begin Minato(Alive) vs Nagato(Full Mobility).
Nagato fanboys often say that Nagato's summons will be a problem for Minato, but they won't. Minato can use his shadow clones to easily get pass them plus if he marks some of the summons he can teleport them to another mark without touching them. So in fact he could make two of Nagato's summons smash into each other without touching either of them. If Nagato summons his Gedo Mazou, than Minato would just use food cart destroyer, to hold it down. Plus Minato is wise enough to know that while Nagato has summons on the field it's a pretty dump idea to use Shinra Tensei, because it will blow his own summons away. Minato is the fastest ninja in history, so he is the perfect man to fight Nagato!!!! Why? Because of the 5 second interval between Nagato's jutsus. Maybe even more if Nagato choose to use a bigger Shinra Tensei. Chibaku Tensei!! Minato has shown himself able to teleport bigger things than Chibaku Tensei, so it should not be a problem. And should i be honest than I don't even think Minato will let Nagato do the seals for Chibaku Tensei, since Minato has been shown to travel distances in a blink of an eye without Flying Thunder God Jutsu. Bansho Tenin... Seriously come on. Minato has Space Time Barrier which counters Nagato Asura Path. Minato can simply dodge everything that Nagato has. And at some point using his crazy speed he will get to Nagato. And if you still don't think Minato wins!! Than just wait to see him in the next many chapters! NOHATE
Nagato fanboys often say that Nagato's summons will be a problem for Minato, but they won't. Minato can use his shadow clones to easily get pass them plus if he marks some of the summons he can teleport them to another mark without touching them. So in fact he could make two of Nagato's summons smash into each other without touching either of them. If Nagato summons his Gedo Mazou, than Minato would just use food cart destroyer, to hold it down. Plus Minato is wise enough to know that while Nagato has summons on the field it's a pretty dump idea to use Shinra Tensei, because it will blow his own summons away. Minato is the fastest ninja in history, so he is the perfect man to fight Nagato!!!! Why? Because of the 5 second interval between Nagato's jutsus. Maybe even more if Nagato choose to use a bigger Shinra Tensei. Chibaku Tensei!! Minato has shown himself able to teleport bigger things than Chibaku Tensei, so it should not be a problem. And should i be honest than I don't even think Minato will let Nagato do the seals for Chibaku Tensei, since Minato has been shown to travel distances in a blink of an eye without Flying Thunder God Jutsu. Bansho Tenin... Seriously come on. Minato has Space Time Barrier which counters Nagato Asura Path. Minato can simply dodge everything that Nagato has. And at some point using his crazy speed he will get to Nagato. And if you still don't think Minato wins!! Than just wait to see him in the next many chapters! NOHATE
closecombat22
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Minato baby shake nagato easy the problem is minato's FTG is to broken and to well balanced but the 6 path of pain can give minato a close match
namikaze12
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All versions of Minato wins High Diff, he's smarter may not have many techniques like Nagato but he knows how to use them to good use and not recklessly, if Naruto can beat him then 100% so can Minato shouldn't even have to debate about this psht
FTG is not created from Chakra. It is rather, needs Chakra to perform it. Its creation is similar to Genjutsu and Kamui. Obito managed to remove it, because he obtained a new body upon becoming a Jinchuuriki. The fact of the matter that Tobirama's mark didn't disappear from his body is a proof FTG's creation is not Chakra nor it can be absorbed. It is a misconception for a disagreement.
Moving on...Bijuu mode Minato comfortably wins this. As he does not waste any time marking a battlefield with enough size to surround the gigantic version 3 Juubi [
BM Minato mid difficulty.
Moving on...Bijuu mode Minato comfortably wins this. As he does not waste any time marking a battlefield with enough size to surround the gigantic version 3 Juubi [
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] as well as marking an area even bigger than Obito's barrier [
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]. With conditions like that, Namikaze Minato will show no trouble in avoiding Nagato's large scale attacks such as Chou Shinra Tensie and Chibaku Tensie. Techniques like Shurado's mechanical arms is taken care of Chakra arms that stretches longer than Bijuu sized [
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]. Chibaku Tensie is either avoided through FTG or destroyed by multiple TBB. Either way, the match will end up with Nagato being blown up or speedblitz.BM Minato mid difficulty.