Nagato vs Madara

Nagato(Full health, legs work) Vs Madara (EMS,no rinnegan)


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senjuONem

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but think of it this way Madara with ems has way more exp then full strength nagato and he was the one who gave him rinnegan so why would he give a oscular power like that to someone that could turn around and betray him with ease or be a great threat ........... madara FTW :cool:
 

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But it still don't prove my point of what other techniques does Madara/Tobi has besides Space/Time Ninjutsu that can actual say he won the fight against Nagato. Yea, sure his Space/Time Technique can absorb him, but that's not a real fight. Madara/Tobi only wins by default, which makes the fight unfair.
yea i understand it seems pretty cheap, but that is all he has shown otherwise we have to assume he has things like susano, amaterasu and tsukiyomi and stuff. From what we hav seen all he shows us is his kamui and unless nagato is fast as naruto or minato he can't beat him. We cxan only base it off of what we saw from them.
 

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nagato why bc konan f up madara lol which btw she hot favorite character in ninja storm two to use bc he has that paper wind bomb thing awesome so yeah and nagato can just take uh madara soul rinnegan beats sharigan in my book why bc its the eye of the master sage
 

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nagato why bc konan f up madara lol which btw she hot favorite character in ninja storm two to use bc he has that paper wind bomb thing awesome so yeah and nagato can just take uh madara soul rinnegan beats sharigan in my book why bc its the eye of the master sage
Hate wen ppl say "Rinnegan better than Sharingan" THAT DOSENT MATTER
Its not like having a Rinnegan is gonna garuntee an automatic win.
Naruto had No eye Technique yet he won, So ppl need to stop mentioning that.
 

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nagato why bc konan f up madara lol which btw she hot favorite character in ninja storm two to use bc he has that paper wind bomb thing awesome so yeah and nagato can just take uh madara soul rinnegan beats sharigan in my book why bc its the eye of the master sage
he has to be near him to suck up his soul.
And rinnegan is not just an automatic win.
 
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his left eye became completly blind after using Izangi Then he took Rinnegan. But as for him having susano'o i dont know bout that. He definatly dont have it now, Cuz rinnegan is in his other eye and Susano'o is a result of both MS eys
he said madara has EMS not rennigan so dat should mean he has sussan'o
 

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The point about the rinnegan being more powerful is pretty much about the six paths techniques only a rinnegan user can use. If he has EMS he wouldn't have that teleportation jutsu. If you notice the eye that does the jutsu is not transplanted or used for anything but that jutsu and is just a regular sharingan. He had to break his mask off and risk being destroyed by konan as proof of its worth. That eye has some special connection to that jutsu. It is also safe to assume he also wouldn't have senju chakra either and this would be pre-hashirama madara vs young fully healthy nagato. We've seen shinra tensei blow away amaterasu, we've seen his ability to absorb any attack, we've seen all his paths basic abilities except demon. Since he would have the power of the six paths he could counter tsukuyomi with izanagi. It's also not known if his was near itachi's level either so its effectiveness is not known. Anytime I've ever seen visual genjutsu used the user is put at risk because he/she has to stay still, which isn't the case in other genjutsu. There is a reason tsuki no me was implemented after he died, and not while he was living. Also nagato probably has a space time jutsu. In episode 166 or 167 he is about to transport both tendou and naruto but is interrupted by hinata. Nagato could use any jutsu he wanted since age 10, and this is testimony from jiraiya. If its a battle of eyes, jutsu, chakara and power, nagato would win hands down especially against the madara in the description. Now current madara is another story because we don't know if the sages rinnegan had tome in it like the drawing during in his fight with konan shows or not, and if the combination of the two means anything specific. He lost to hashirama and states that the senju clan was the strongest clan. Which means not matter what he says hasirama was stronger then him as he admired him for his strength and is the only person he admired. His excuse for losing is well a losers excuse, and he probably didn't initially figure out the solution until he made a replacement body out of hashirama's cells. that was also rushed as a ditch effort to stave off death and later turned into something more. As for him giving nagato the rinnegan, its unlikely. The manga and anime both show it being activated first when he killed the guys who killed his parents and then fully when he killed that tsuchigakuri no sato chuunin. If he implanted them, when? It couldn't have been during the same time frame and you take take how long sasukes recovery is taking as proof he wouldn't be able to use them if it was. Nagato also says it activated in him and he didn't know why. Its more figuratively saying he gave them to his as he is the reason for the war that allowed them to manifest in him.
 
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Nagato...Madara without the rinnegan had actually difficulties in fighting Konan, so Nagato would probably win. (of course Madara with the rinnegan is a different story). :)
 

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The point about the rinnegan being more powerful is pretty much about the six paths techniques only a rinnegan user can use. If he has EMS he wouldn't have that teleportation jutsu. If you notice the eye that does the jutsu is not transplanted or used for anything but that jutsu and is just a regular sharingan. He had to break his mask off and risk being destroyed by konan as proof of its worth. That eye has some special connection to that jutsu. It is also safe to assume he also wouldn't have senju chakra either and this would be pre-hashirama madara vs young fully healthy nagato. We've seen shinra tensei blow away amaterasu, we've seen his ability to absorb any attack, we've seen all his paths basic abilities except demon. Since he would have the power of the six paths he could counter tsukuyomi with izanagi. It's also not known if his was near itachi's level either so its effectiveness is not known. Anytime I've ever seen visual genjutsu used the user is put at risk because he/she has to stay still, which isn't the case in other genjutsu. There is a reason tsuki no me was implemented after he died, and not while he was living. Also nagato probably has a space time jutsu. In episode 166 or 167 he is about to transport both tendou and naruto but is interrupted by hinata. Nagato could use any jutsu he wanted since age 10, and this is testimony from jiraiya. If its a battle of eyes, jutsu, chakara and power, nagato would win hands down especially against the madara in the description. Now current madara is another story because we don't know if the sages rinnegan had tome in it like the drawing during in his fight with konan shows or not, and if the combination of the two means anything specific. He lost to hashirama and states that the senju clan was the strongest clan. Which means not matter what he says hasirama was stronger then him as he admired him for his strength and is the only person he admired. His excuse for losing is well a losers excuse, and he probably didn't initially figure out the solution until he made a replacement body out of hashirama's cells. that was also rushed as a ditch effort to stave off death and later turned into something more. As for him giving nagato the rinnegan, its unlikely. The manga and anime both show it being activated first when he killed the guys who killed his parents and then fully when he killed that tsuchigakuri no sato chuunin. If he implanted them, when? It couldn't have been during the same time frame and you take take how long sasukes recovery is taking as proof he wouldn't be able to use them if it was. Nagato also says it activated in him and he didn't know why. Its more figuratively saying he gave them to his as he is the reason for the war that allowed them to manifest in him.
dude some of your theories may be right. but just becos nagato has the power of the 6 paths does not mean he can break tsukiyomi or izangi that is just not supported by anything, ppl just say that he has the rinnegan and can counter anything, i understand that it might be able to break tsukiyomi but how izangi, the user gives up an eye and can make any dream a reality, when ppl use that they atre not putting a genjutsu on anyone but just makig everything a dream as if it never existed. But we hav no proof that he has any of the abilities to counter genjutsu or anything. And tsuki no me is said to the kages by madara becus he wants all the bijus so by scaring them he wished that he would get it. he even mentioned that he never expected nagato to die and even goes and asks naruto what caused him to change his mind and betray madara. He was planning on doing it either way. Dude nagato can learn any jutsu becus he had all nature transformations but if he had space time techs he would have used against naruto to avoid waste of chakra to capture him. How is he supposed to beat madara who can be intangible for up to 5 minutes at one go, none of his attacks can hit and madara can easily absorb him. The only way to really beat madara is to be as fast as naruto and minato and both receive blows or set up a plan like konan who made a billion paper bombs and contiguously make an explosion or a continous stream of attacks which would last longer than 5 minutes.
 

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It is probably only because he has the power of the six paths and the rinnegan that he would win. He only lost to naruto because he had already destroyed a whole village and before that fought and kill several jounin ranked ninja. His chakara was already low at the start of the fight and the main fighting pein was unable to battle. When he did he captured naruto, killed a sage toad, and injured the rest in a few moves. He wasn't technically beaten seeing as nagato was left and could have taken him but didn't. Blame his week heart, he thought naruto's side was a better way and died to undo some of the damage he caused.

Izanagi is a jutsu used by having the power of the sage, i.e this pre-valley of the end madara wouldn't have it. This jutsu can turn genjutsu into reality hence he could make it out as if nothing happened at all. Did you seriously not read or watch the danzo vs sasuke fight or the konan vs madara fight? If madara has EMS he wouldn't have the eye used for his jutsu and would not yet have gotten the power of the senju. Remember the rinnegan is the most powerful doujutsu and all other doujutsu are descendants of it. Watch episode 166 near the middle and tell me with a straight face that he wasn't about to use a space time jutsu to transport both of them.
 
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Nagato for sure wins he has the advantage with the rinegan
Nagato...Madara without the rinnegan had actually difficulties in fighting Konan, so Nagato would probably win. (of course Madara with the rinnegan is a different story). :)

rinnegan is not an automatic win, ppl with no kkg still beat ppl with gret ones like the sharingan

konan had a set up with a billion paper bombs which was a contionous attack that lasted for 10 minutes, she planned it just becus one character just gave another character a difficulty it doesn't mean madara won't beat pain. Its like saying since guy won against kisame, guy can probably beat killerbee becus he had difficulties with him.
 

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It is probably only because he has the power of the six paths and the rinnegan that he would win. He only lost to naruto because he had already destroyed a whole village and before that fought and kill several jounin ranked ninja. His chakara was already low at the start of the fight and the main fighting pein was unable to battle. When he did he captured naruto, killed a sage toad, and injured the rest in a few moves. He wasn't technically beaten seeing as nagato was left and could have taken him but didn't. Blame his week heart, he thought naruto's side was a better way and died to undo some of the damage he caused.
dude but from what nagato has shown us he can't beat madara. rinnegan is not an automatic win, that is just absurd. Its like saying oh sasuke has the sharingan he can definitely win against anyone who does not have a sharingan, it is possible to win against someone with a better kkg. if you insist pain wins tell me how that is possible against madara who can be intangible and teleports and can only beat with real fast speed and brains like minato.
 
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rinnegan is not an automatic win, ppl with no kkg still beat ppl with gret ones like the sharingan

konan had a set up with a billion paper bombs which was a contionous attack that lasted for 10 minutes, she planned it just becus one character just gave another character a difficulty it doesn't mean madara won't beat pain. Its like saying since guy won against kisame, guy can probably beat killerbee becus he had difficulties with him.
i dnt get ur comment man u say the rinnegan is not an automatic win but yet u said that madara could beat pein if he had the rinnegan how is that? Madara knows nothing about the rinnegan and it powers but so many people over hype him because he has this eye and plus pein had it his whole life and couldnt master it and you guys think he can master it just in a few weeks
 
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