[VS] Nagato vs Kakashi and edo Itachi

[Eng nawashi]

Lol kamui snipe is their only chance .restrict it ,and they get trashed even without CT .

 

[Edogawa]

''Kamui one-shots Nagato'' - Retard.

No, because Rinnegan can see the build up Chakra within the Doujutsu, amplified that Nagato is an advanced sensor himself, indisputably able to tell when Kamui is cast. Shinra Tensei would then form as the perfect defense for Kamui, because powerful gravity is able to affect space time, which would lead to ST cancelling Kamui effortlessly.

While we're on it, Kakashi isn't wrapping the CT orb. The orb is shielded by attracted massive rocks, which would block Kakashi's sight; not to mention, it's stated you cannot aim properly at the orb while being pulled over. CT locks the team in a nice looking CT, which they can't get out of, regardless of your fanboy opinion.

Rinnegan is greater than anything Sharingan can offer.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

''Kamui one-shots Nagato'' - Retard.

No, because Rinnegan can see the build up Chakra within the Doujutsu, amplified that Nagato is an advanced sensor himself, indisputably able to tell when Kamui is cast. Shinra Tensei would then form as the perfect defense for Kamui, because powerful gravity is able to affect space time, which would lead to ST cancelling Kamui effortlessly.

While we're on it, Kakashi isn't wrapping the CT orb. The orb is shielded by attracted massive rocks, which would block Kakashi's sight; not to mention, it's stated you cannot aim properly at the orb while being pulled over. CT locks the team in a nice looking CT, which they can't get out of, regardless of your fanboy opinion.

Rinnegan is greater than anything Sharingan can offer.

gravity doesn't do anything to kamui, and until it gets bigger than the gedo mazo's head kakashi can warp it.

 

[Silent Hero]

gravity doesn't do anything to kamui, and until it gets bigger than the gedo mazo's head kakashi can warp it.

A simple panda summon does the trick of blocking Kakashi's LOS.

 

[EZQ]

''Kamui one-shots Nagato'' - Retard.

No, because Rinnegan can see the build up Chakra within the Doujutsu, amplified that Nagato is an advanced sensor himself, indisputably able to tell when Kamui is cast. Shinra Tensei would then form as the perfect defense for Kamui, because powerful gravity is able to affect space time, which would lead to ST cancelling Kamui effortlessly.

While we're on it, Kakashi isn't wrapping the CT orb. The orb is shielded by attracted massive rocks, which would block Kakashi's sight; not to mention, it's stated you cannot aim properly at the orb while being pulled over. CT locks the team in a nice looking CT, which they can't get out of, regardless of your fanboy opinion.

Rinnegan is greater than anything Sharingan can offer.

"see the build up" lol like if Nagato would actually see/sense - reac-t form a counter against a jutsu that has a shorter build up than a susano arrow covering 5-6 m..

Lmao, get off Nagato's **** for once

 

[BenjerminGaye]

A simple panda summon does the trick of blocking Kakashi's LOS.

so the panda is gonna follow the orb into the sky -_-

 

[EZQ]

"see the build up" lol like if Nagato would actually see/sense - reac-t form a counter against a jutsu that has a shorter build up than a susano arrow covering 5-6 m..

Lmao, get off Nagato's **** for once

And lmao, ST's gravity is no way even close to disort space. And still, Nagato doesn't have the speed sfeats to say he reacts to kamui when he took a lot of time to sense Itachi's jutu

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That's how much time Nagato's sensing takes, and as i adressed, Kamui is activated a lot faster than that, plus the fact that after that Nagato actually has to outspeed the kamui warping, which has amazing feats that don't need to be posted.

And lol at Kakashi not being able to warp CT orb when:

1- The rocks take some time to start lifting, Kakashi reacts faster

2- Difficult to aim a jutsu =/= difficult to just look at the orb, which is te only thing Kakashi has to do to use Kamui with it

3- Kakashi jumps along the rocks to avoid these getting in a closer position to the orb than him aand block his LoS

4- Kakashi's warping capability is 2/3rds of the Hachibi (he warped 2 times the Hachibi with a 3x chakra boost), so he can managa CT when it's in initial state

 

[TRE MERCER]

Stops Kakashi from using it and Kamui can still be stopped even after it's activated if the user is hit in a way that their line of sight changes.

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If Kakashi does something like that, however unlikely, Nagato learns from this and fires missles from Asura path to block line of sight while he sets up the core.
Nagato was already shown using Asura path and forming CT simultaneously.

Useless when Nagato can't move or react faster enough to move Kakashi los. You realize how fast all that happened right? SM Minato arm was still in swinging motion we've seen a slower version of Minato cannonly move his arm while Ei was charging his fastest attack. Nagato can't do anything that fast.

The moment Kakashi see's The orb in Nagato hand it's sniped further more Itachi could use Amaterasu while he's trying to hit Kakashi with Asura missiles etc.

 

[TRE MERCER]

And lmao, ST's gravity is no way even close to disort space. And still, Nagato doesn't have the speed sfeats to say he reacts to kamui when he took a lot of time to sense Itachi's jutu

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That's how much time Nagato's sensing takes, and as i adressed, Kamui is activated a lot faster than that, plus the fact that after that Nagato actually has to outspeed the kamui warping, which has amazing feats that don't need to be posted.

And lol at Kakashi not being able to warp CT orb when:

1- The rocks take some time to start lifting, Kakashi reacts faster

2- Difficult to aim a jutsu =/= difficult to just look at the orb, which is te only thing Kakashi has to do to use Kamui with it

3- Kakashi jumps along the rocks to avoid these getting in a closer position to the orb than him aand block his LoS

4- Kakashi's warping capability is 2/3rds of the Hachibi (he warped 2 times the Hachibi with a 3x chakra boost), so he can managa CT when it's in initial state

This not to mention Kakashi already warped moving objects as fast as Susanoo arrows.

 

[TheSages456]

Useless when Nagato can't move or react faster enough to move Kakashi los. You realize how fast all that happened right? SM Minato arm was still in swinging motion we've seen a slower version of Minato cannonly move his arm while Ei was charging his fastest attack. Nagato can't do anything that fast.

This doesn't even make sense. All 3 started moving simultaneously and all of their actions were simultaneous. Gaara managed to put up a sand wall before Kakashi's Kamui even fully manifested.

Nagato can sense the buildup and he can use Shinra Tensei to stop Kakashi even if it were to be activated.

The moment Kakashi see's The orb in Nagato hand it's sniped further more Itachi could use Amaterasu while he's trying to hit Kakashi with Asura missiles etc.

Amaterasu is a nonfactor due to Preta path.

 

[TRE MERCER]

This doesn't even make sense. All 3 started moving simultaneously and all of their actions were simultaneous. Gaara managed to put up a sand wall before Kakashi's Kamui even fully manifested

No your completely wrong here. Gaara's sand wall was already u[ before Kakashi even used Kamui as it was shown in the panel above.

Nagato can sense the buildup and he can use Shinra Tensei to stop Kakashi even if it were to be activated.
Amaterasu is a nonfactor due to Preta path.

No it's not Nagato didn't even sense Amaterasu until there was blood already coming down Itachi face[

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]. Kakashi was cannonly caught off guard from Sasuke Susanoo arrows and yet he went to MS and warp two arrows while being at about 20-30. Nagato isn't reacting to kamui his sensing isn't going to work. Since Kamui build up time is non-existent.

 

[TRE MERCER]

''Kamui one-shots Nagato'' - Retard.

No, because Rinnegan can see the build up Chakra within the Doujutsu, amplified that Nagato is an advanced sensor himself, indisputably able to tell when Kamui is cast. Shinra Tensei would then form as the perfect defense for Kamui, because powerful gravity is able to affect space time, which would lead to ST cancelling Kamui effortlessly.

While we're on it, Kakashi isn't wrapping the CT orb. The orb is shielded by attracted massive rocks, which would block Kakashi's sight; not to mention, it's stated you cannot aim properly at the orb while being pulled over. CT locks the team in a nice looking CT, which they can't get out of, regardless of your fanboy opinion.

Rinnegan is greater than anything Sharingan can offer.

Except the Manga completely disagree with you.

 

[TheSages456]

No your completely wrong here. Gaara's sand wall was already u[ before Kakashi even used Kamui as it was shown in the panel above.

-Kakashi activates Kamui when Gaara puts his hand on the ground.
-The sand wall comes up before Kakashi's Kamui can complete. The sand wall doesn't come up until the middle panel, which is after Kakashi activates Kamui. This isn't hard to understand.

No it's not Nagato didn't even sense Amaterasu until there was blood already coming down Itachi face[

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]. Kakashi was cannonly caught off guard from Sasuke Susanoo arrows and yet he went to MS and warp two arrows while being at about 20-30. Nagato isn't reacting to kamui his sensing isn't going to work. Since Kamui build up time is non-existent.

So he sensed the buildup. Blood is a sign of Amaterasu's chakra buildup generally, so I'm not seeing the problem. Saying that Nagato didn't sense it until Itachi's eye started bleeding makes no sense.

Not sure how Kakashi warping Sasuke's arrows makes it too fast for Nagato. Sasuke's arrows aren't even close to being fast enough to where Nagato wouldn't perceive them.

 

[TRE MERCER]

-Kakashi activates Kamui when Gaara puts his hand on the ground.
-The sand wall comes up before Kakashi's Kamui can complete. The sand wall doesn't come up until the middle panel, which is after Kakashi activates Kamui. This isn't hard to understand.

Except we can see the swirly marks already forming around Obito[

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So he sensed the buildup. Blood is a sign of Amaterasu's chakra buildup generally, so I'm not seeing the problem. Saying that Nagato didn't sense it until Itachi's eye started bleeding makes no sense.

How come it doesn't make sense when Nagato didn't scream out till blood was already down his face. Why would Nagato hold his tongue even for a second when he wanted Naruto to win?

Not sure how Kakashi warping Sasuke's arrows makes it too fast for Nagato. Sasuke's arrows aren't even close to being fast enough to where Nagato wouldn't perceive them.

Sasuke warping Susanoo arrows means sensing Kamui isn't going to happen for Nagato. Never said Nagato wouldn't be able to see Susanoo arrows but Kamui is fast enough that MS can't even see it being used.

 

[TheSages456]

Except we can see the swirly marks already forming around Obito[

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] in the same scan.

In the bottom panel. Gaara's wall was up before that and it formed after Kakashi activated Kamui.

How come it doesn't make sense when Nagato didn't scream out till blood was already down his face. Why would Nagato hold his tongue even for a second when he wanted Naruto to win?

I don't see why this matters. Seems like a reach. The chakra buildup wasn't significant enough for Nagato to make a comment at that point presumably.

Sasuke warping Susanoo arrows means sensing Kamui isn't going to happen for Nagato. Never said Nagato wouldn't be able to see Susanoo arrows but Kamui is fast enough that MS can't even see it being used.

These 2 ideas don't make sense. Kakashi warped Sasuke's arrows. That would in no way mean that Nagato can't sense Kamui's buildup.
Obito saw Kakashi's Kamui activating on Naruto's Rasengan. He thought that Kakashi was only trying to warp the Rasengan, but he warped Naruto's entire clone.

 

[TRE MERCER]

In the bottom panel. Gaara's wall was up before that and it formed after Kakashi activated Kamui.

This still doesn't change the speed feats that Kamui already has.

I don't see why this matters. Seems like a reach. The chakra buildup wasn't significant enough for Nagato to make a comment at that point presumably.

This matters because it means Nagato isn't sensing Kamui since the build up is not existent.

These 2 ideas don't make sense. Kakashi warped Sasuke's arrows. That would in no way mean that Nagato can't sense Kamui's buildup.
Obito saw Kakashi's Kamui activating on Naruto's Rasengan. He thought that Kakashi was only trying to warp the Rasengan, but he warped Naruto's entire clone.

How come it doesn't We know the speed of Susanoo arrows. Danzo who's easily on MS Sasuke level in Taijutsu couldn't dodge a Susanoo arrow. Obito couldn't didn't see Kamui he thought Naruto let his Rasengan down[

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[Jugram Haschwalth]

In the bottom panel. Gaara's wall was up before that and it formed after Kakashi activated Kamui.
I don't see why this matters. Seems like a reach. The chakra buildup wasn't significant enough for Nagato to make a comment at that point presumably.

If im correct wouldn't that be speed feat bonus for Gaara? How could that be a reach when it was presented in cannon? Nagato would be able to see chakra build up but what would he do to retaliate and stop himself from being warped? Shinra Tensei? That would work but Shinra Tensei has to travel which means Kakashi would have to be relativly close to Nagato to be hit by Shinra tensei before he's snipes Nagato. This would leave an opening for Itachi to use Totsuka on Naruto while his Deva abilities are on it's interval.

These 2 ideas don't make sense. Kakashi warped Sasuke's arrows. That would in no way mean that Nagato can't sense Kamui's buildup.
Obito saw Kakashi's Kamui activating on Naruto's Rasengan. He thought that Kakashi was only trying to warp the Rasengan, but he warped Naruto's entire clone.

He's trying to say that Nagato window of counter attacking Kakashi after sensing Kamui would be extremely small which it actually is. Obito didn't see Kamui in action Twice actually.

 

[Silent Hero]

so the panda is gonna follow the orb into the sky -_-

whoops thought the topic was on Amaterasu for some reason.

Ignore me, carry on lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

so the panda is gonna follow the orb into the sky -_-

L0l the ****ery doesn't stop with these guys. It's not my fault that Kishi overpowered kamui.

 

[TheSages456]

This still doesn't change the speed feats that Kamui already has.

So what? It's speed is the same in all instances it was used. The only reason for any difference in warp time is due to the size of the target.

This matters because it means Nagato isn't sensing Kamui since the build up is not existent.

Yes, there is buildup. Every single eye technique that is released through the eye itself requires buildup. Kamui isn't excluded. This buildup will increase or decrease depending on the size of the Kamui that Kakashi uses.

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How come it doesn't We know the speed of Susanoo arrows. Danzo who's easily on MS Sasuke level in Taijutsu couldn't dodge a Susanoo arrow.

This doesn't prove anything about Kamui not being perceivable to Nagato.
Nagato not being able to physically dodge something that Kamui intercepted isn't evidence for Nagato not mentally reacting to Kamui. It just means that he can't dodge it.

Obito couldn't didn't see Kamui he thought Naruto let his Rasengan down[

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That wasn't the instance I was referring to.

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If im correct wouldn't that be speed feat bonus for Gaara? How could that be a reach when it was presented in cannon? Nagato would be able to see chakra build up but what would he do to retaliate and stop himself from being warped? Shinra Tensei? That would work but Shinra Tensei has to travel which means Kakashi would have to be relativly close to Nagato to be hit by Shinra tensei before he's snipes Nagato. This would leave an opening for Itachi to use Totsuka on Naruto while his Deva abilities are on it's interval.

Shinra Tensei can be omnidirectional. If Kakashi is getting repelled, so is Itachi.

He's trying to say that Nagato window of counter attacking Kakashi after sensing Kamui would be extremely small which it actually is. Obito didn't see Kamui in action Twice actually.

He has the time before it's used where Kakashi builds up chakra. He has the time before Kamui completes. If Gaara's sand wall can form in that time, then Nagato can use Shinra Tensei.