[VS] Nagato Uzumaki vs Kabuto Yakushi .
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NarutoIndra
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You can't, you would be literally attempting to absorb the person, which in turn will transform Nagato from human to stone.
NarutoIndra
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Plese provide scan to support this, as I don't recall this ever having been stated or claimed. His abilities are strengthened but that does not mean it has reduced the intervals.
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Lul,what. Laser as a charge time. Kabuto fires Waterfall, forcing Nagato to switch to Pretra Path.
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]<-- No its not. Stating that its Toad Sage exclusive is rather bias when the Manga never even applied:No it doesn't, evidence that suggest he can do it at long range? Infact, if he destroys it, it will just explode much faster[
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]<--Example. No its not, it counter Nagato himself. Kabuto passively absorbs nature. Nagato turns to Snake Stone.
Come on dude 90% of it is rocks, don't play that. Kabuto sucessfuly counters it.
Manda II rapes:
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] According to Kabuto, the Nidaime Manda is bigger than the original Manda who was as big as Gamabunta. [
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] Now there is the fact that Gamabunta is as large as a Bijū [Shukaku]. [
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] Gamabunta also seems to be larger than small mountains. [
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] This tells us how exactly huge Nidaime Manda is. There is now the fact that Nidaime Manda is big enough for a human figure [Kabuto] to fit inside her nostril. [
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] And if that doesn't make Nidaime Manda large enough; Kabuto has shown the ability to make his Snakes grow bigger. [
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] If he does that on Nidaime Manda, she will become huge and she would dwarf even something like a Bijū.Concerning Nidaime Manda's strenght, let's look at the original Manda's strenght feats first. He was capable of enveloping Katsuyu and holding her while not allowing her to make movements. [
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] And then he was also capable of stopping Gamabunta's Sword slash with just his mouths which in return shocked Gamabunta. [
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] That's not all he is capable of. He also shown to easily tear throught the ground [
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] and he also managed to destroy the ground with just a single smack with his tail. [
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] Now concerning Nidaime Manda's strenght feats. She was capable of bitting the Turtle Island's tail and yanking it back, not allowing it to swim further. [
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] Then a moment after, she was capable of enveloping the Turtle, restricting it's movements. [
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]How hard can an Anaconda squeeze?
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Nidaime Manda's Other Abilities:
→ Swallowing: Manda has shown the ability to open his mouth big enough for Katsuyu [
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] and then later also for Gamabunta to fit in. [
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] In other words; Nidaime Manda can easily swallow Bijū sized enemies and with her ability to go underground, she could easily poke out from beneath the enemy and swallow him.→ Speed: In Manda's battle with Katsuyu and Gamabunta, we have seen that Manda is quite fast since he easily evaded Katsuyu's Acid [
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1] and later he even shocked Gamabunta with his speed. [
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] He even managed to quickly land a hit on Gamabunta. [
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] Nidaime Manda was also quick enough to coil around the Turtle Island's spikes before Deidara made it flip with his bomb. [
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]→ Skin: As we know, the original Manda was capable of tanking a part of Deidara's final exploison [Even though he died] [
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] and Nidaime Manda's skin is even harder than the original's, seeing as how she was capable of moving throught the Turtle Island's spikes and they didn't damage her at all. [
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] And finally, if she is damaged by a fire attack by some chance of if she is hit with Amaterasu, she could easily shed her skin like the original Manda did after being hit with a Katon. [
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]→ Immunity to Visual Genjutsu: In most debates against Kabuto, people usuallyt try to counter the Nidaime Manda with visual Genjutsu because Sasuke controlled Manda with it, however, that is not an option since Kabuto has already shown that Snakes can easily block their vision [
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] so that visual Genjutsu won't work and Nidaime Manda will do the same exact thing.
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Brother Numpsay
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Kabuto has two options:
-Muki Tensei the rocks, by either making stair way back down. Or giving it life to break the orb.
-Manda II, by either making a stair way back down. Or Having it dwarf, coil and smash.
NarutoIndra
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Lul, what? I fear you believe this is the 6POP and not Nagato. Nagato has shown to use Preta while using human, Naraka while using human, and asura while using human. Nothing implies he cannot switch around with his paths considering he can use several at the same time [
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]. Nagato can create 2 additional arms as well. 2 of which are to restrain Kabuto with Asura and blast his head off, while one is always ready to absorb any jutsu Kabuto decides to use. You claiming a jutsu like great waterfall jutsu will force Nagato to put a halt to his other abilities is fallacious, considering Nagato will not only sense it, but will also absorb it considering it comes from the
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instead of a ground source (he could absorb that too if he willed). That scan proved literally nothing. He bit it off, that is a snake attribute.. Every SM doesn't give similar abilities. That is like saying Naruto can use abilities Hashirama uses while in SM. That would mean DSM Kabuto is immune to Naruto's Frog genjutsu and frog paralysis. That would mean Naruto in sage mode would be capable of being immune to the white light and control his inorganic surroundings via Muki tensei. All SM's have differences, and I believe taijutsu in Naruto's SM is the difference between the others. He can use frog kata and extreme strength, which the others have not shown to be capable of doing.
Is this enough range for you?
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When has it been suggested that Kabuto can passively absorb senjutsu while fully liquefied, that is a baseless assumption.. Moreover, he does not need to use Preta, I was simply providing plausible options. If you indeed claim he is still passively absorbing chakra, that would mean he keeps all his natural intangible characteristics apart from his bodily characteristics. Implying Nagato can easily should rip Kabuto while he is in that form since there is no force acting against the should rip.
How does this prove anything lol? I can see he is a giant, who can swallow any summoning, has good tanking feats, and half assed speed with his increased mass. Your point of immunity to genjutsu is pathetic. No snake will fight with their eyes closed if they had no SM, so that isn't even an option. To oppose your argument, on the other hand, all this does not matter against the likes of the multi headed dog who can repetitively split. Strength is no factor in this since he will simply split. The only thing possible is to swallow it, though too bad its speed is too great. On the other hand, the multi headed dog cannot damage Manda 2. How is this solved? By the cereberus, it is not. The cereberus will go on to fight Kabuto, while Nagato makes quick work of Manda while using the hawk summon to not only absorb all of Manda 2's chakra making him exhausted and possibly killing him, but also can use chakra receivers, which have pierced SM jiraiya, 6 tailed beasts (including Bee) and SM Naruto. I see no reason to why Manda wouldn't get pierced considering he has not shown piercing durability, but rather tanking ability. If you recall, he was already pierced by Tsunade using Bunta's sword, which isn't as sharp as it seems. Saying something much sharper, yet extremely durable (
Your entire point rests around the fact Manda 2 will be an annihilator, when in fact he cannot hit a Nagato flying up in the air, he cannot fight with his chakra completely absorbed, he cannot fight against the likes of the Gedo and multi headed dogs, who cannot resist the chakra receivers once piercing his skin.
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susano arrows, chakra scalpels) wouldn't accomplish piercing Manda is stubborn. Even if it's a tiny bit, it still is enough. And if you still disagree for some reason due to this being Manda 2 (which has not shown greater durability), this is achieved with easier with the use of either a combination of Asura Ko which allows Nagato to fire blasts that do devastating damaged, followed by chakra receivers to make piercing easier due to the greater heat, or summon the Gedo Mazo and have him annihilate the Manda 2 by either continuously using chakra blasts and chakra shockwaves to destroy the Manda 2, or have it hold and stab Manda 2 via chakra receivers to unconditionally guarantee the piercing of the skin. Your entire point rests around the fact Manda 2 will be an annihilator, when in fact he cannot hit a Nagato flying up in the air, he cannot fight with his chakra completely absorbed, he cannot fight against the likes of the Gedo and multi headed dogs, who cannot resist the chakra receivers once piercing his skin.
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Preta Path has only displayed using two Paths at a time, nothing suggest that he could extend it to using 3rd-more Paths. Animal Path was already use and doesn't need to apply again, much like Naraka Path. And just as you explained, Nagato used Human and Pretra. Human was still in use, thus he can use a secondary Path against Bee via Asura. Applying that he can, should of Pretra Path on Itachi's Sussanoo's Hand.
Lmao how did it not prove anything? Displaying a snake style does not make the point invalid. Show me where its normal to even rip a characters body? Strength is applied, period.
Did I say they carry the same Sage art? The whole context was applying, Natural energy. The ability to control Natural energy enables you to have a boost of strength, speed, reflexes, durability, etc. The manga applies to this Natural energy. Stating that only Naruto has strength through his SM is completely taking the manga out of context.
Your exaggerating on ST damage. When base bee and KM Naruto wasn't damaged at all, even taking it front on. ST is not damaging Kabuto at all, but in fact throw him away much like them.
As for White Rage, the entity is made up of the same fluids coming from Kabuto. Kabuto puking it out shows that this substance isn't normal but very thick. It shouldn't be able to destroy by a Push.
Also knowledge plays a role. Nagato ST the jutsu thats not even aiming for him is very slim. Kabuto could always use it again, making sure to counter ST first.
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]. Which you can see the snake re-molding itself while Kabuto is finishing enter SM[
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].I hope you don't think I am arguing Kabuto fighting as a puddle, for a defense mechanism.
First Sentence: Ok
Second Sentence: Huh? Why bring Genjutsu part of this discussion while insulting it at the same time? Did you not read that it can sense? And other methods to use here? [
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]. Third: The dogs cannot split unless it got damaged[
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]. Coiling stops them. Manda II is not needed, Kabuto Snakes Bushins can do this by numbers.Fourth: Does not make sense, Bird Summon has no such feat doing that.
Fifth: Chakra receivers lack feats for Nagato's control, which was stated Obito being better. To suggest he can do it with Manda II is going to need some proof, when Shinobi's like Naruto, Kakashi, Jiriaya easily pull it out.
Kabuto laughs at any damage you are applying that would take out Manda II. Not only has Kabuto upgrade its shedding tech, he can use his Regeneration.
@Dude, seriously?? No for real, you are really applying Nagato cannot be hit by Manda II in the air?
Manda II will crush Nagato for even attempting to absorb Manda II internally. Gedo gets slaped around and multi headed dogs get suppressed with other Snakes. While Kabuto takes care of the summoner, making them extra useless.
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people forget that Kabuto is not immortal like Orochimaru... Fatal wound would kill Kabuto... Asura Path blast to the face = GG Kabuto...
If you don't believe this then...
Deva Path pulls Kabuto towards him and Naraka path forms to prepare him for instant lost
If that don't work then... Chibaku tensei then Asura Path him as he is sucked in the air and loses his ability to be fast
If that dont work then... Nagato flys in the air then Universal Push the entire ground crushing Kabuto
Chimera, Bird, Rhinos > Manda II
If you don't believe this then...
Deva Path pulls Kabuto towards him and Naraka path forms to prepare him for instant lost
If that don't work then... Chibaku tensei then Asura Path him as he is sucked in the air and loses his ability to be fast
If that dont work then... Nagato flys in the air then Universal Push the entire ground crushing Kabuto
Chimera, Bird, Rhinos > Manda II
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Please read my posts clearly next time you decide to counter. Half your points are false due to the mere fact you didn't read my arguments correctly. I never said he would use a third paths. I said he will use Asura path and Preta path, never did I claim he will use human path as well, unless of course Kabuto decides to liquefy. Nagato using four hands, tentacles grasp, and asura attack all are asura path, thus considered possible to do consecutively.
What? I did not say it was normal. I said it was a snake attribute, meaning his bite and neck would e much stronger, as a snakes. Yes, Kabuto may have a slight strength increase, but saying it is equivalent to Naruto's is a plain out assumption and requires some scans. Hell, if you believe Kabuto has greater strength, I will need some scans, till then stop speculating and making it seem as if it were a fact only because you keep repeating it. What you are speaking of is hype. A character may say whatever they will, until they have performed the feats to back up their claims, they are considered merely hype. You don't see people blasting threads saying Edo Itachi>NV because Zetsu said he's immortal with the yata and totsuka, it is hype.
ST pushed Bee on his back, who in turn transformed to v2 so he could counter. Naruto wasn't even shown so I don't see what you are talking about. Regardless, do not compare DSM Kabuto tanking abilities to the likes of Bee and KCM Naruto. Moreover, it is an instant gap closer, considering once Kabuto is hit, Nagato's speed allows him to instantly appear behind Bee [
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]. What? Thick or not, it is a small orb that is making the light, not the dragon.. Metal has been demolished by ST, I don't see any feats of this orb so that you can begin claiming it will tank it. If the liquid is gone, the orb has no affect considering it was required of the dragon like substance to complete engulf the orb to initiate the attack.
The ST is going forwards, it is not made for a single thing the user lays his eyes on like Kamui/Amateratsu, it keeps going till the force is no more. The orb going away also implies that Kabuto will be sent away via concentrated ST. Considering Deva Path could throw three toads with ease a distance back, when the ST was performed by an exhausted and sick Nagato who didn't even concentrate the ST [
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]. There's no way another white rage is going to be used in such succession in a) such a short period of time b) from a far distance after being pushed back via a concentrated ST.What did those scans prove? None of my points claimed snakes could not re-mole themselves lol.
When you claim Kabuto escapes tentacle grasp and Asura attack, you are claiming he will turn into a puddle. Once he does, his soul is ripped away.
What do you mean did I not read?.. The entire argument was about Manda II, not other snakes. Other snakes get destroyed via Multi headed dog if you were implying the snakes will be the ones who are in the fight. Third point; That is incorrect. You can clearly seem them splitting up with mere will to do so here [
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]. It is clear they split into ten different dogs without having been hit. Fourth: Once again, you fail to understand my point. I claimed Nagato can stand on the bird, and absorb the chakra of Manda II by jumping onto its back. Nothing is preventing Nagato from doing such a thing, and simply accumulating chakra onto his feet would allow him to keep his balance incase it tries to shrug him off. How do they lack feats for control? 6POP used chakra receivers to be controlled. All his mobile summonings used chakra receivers to grant him control. I don't see what you are on about, either you believe I have no idea about Nagato's abilities or you have no idea about Nagato's abilities. Manda has no hands to pull it out lmao.Yes he can, but how does that help against chakra receivers controlling him? Moreover, how does that aid against having no chakra once Nagato is on his back?
No he cannot. Manda doesn't have the speed feats, nor the precision, nor the reaction speed, to hit a target as small they as fast as they bird. There's no chance he will hit it, let alone if it keeps elevating in the air. Gedo shits on any of these summons with one hit. I have shown dogs can split at will, so they aren't losing. Camouflaging Chameleon can help them. Moreoer, all these summons will be providing vision for Nagato, benefiting him more than they benefit DSM Kabuto. Let me show you a quick glimpse of the Gedo's power.
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and this, which literally demolished with lightning coming from his 'head'.
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If I recall, you said BT+Asura's blast=over? Right? And my premise is since he is already using BT+Asura, then that means Kabuto can counter by forcing him to use another Path. So basically BT+Asura means one of the Paths has to be subtracted in order to counter Kabuto, the moving Target. That was my premise. What was I missing, in your point?
Slight strength? Come on dude. Can Naruto not tear a Path apart with his bare hands, with his "toad attribute style". Me claiming that fact that Kabuto was able to tear an arm apart, with no cuts but pure grip, is demonstrated to have the force of nature's strength, as much as any Sage user, that can gather natural energy. I didn't put Kabuto higher in strength but, at least on par. If we look at Databook, Naruto is .5 ahead in strength at base, without using natural energy. What Kabuto can do to surpass his strength, even other power houses, is using Jirobo's DNA:
"The Addition"
Since Kabuto has access to Jirōbō's DNA he can also enable his strength, as long as he is exposed/present. Jirōbō's State 2 enabled him to have the strength to even lift up Chouji's Chō Baika no Jutsu. [
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] Depending on how much weight you think Chouji has, he is basically Summoning level of weight capacity. Kabuto even noted that using the Curse Seal shouldn't be compared to a master of the art of a Sage. [
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] So having Jirōbō's DNA gatherdc with Sage Boost makes it a done deal that his strength makes him the most, physically strongest character in the series. Also, any physical contact with Jirōbō can even do this: [
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Ok so do you conclude that ST can damage someone who's durability is increase, and can liquify his body at will to ease the physical impact, plus regenerate. The moment Nagato gets close its over. Kabuto superior CQC KO's or Sakons use Sakon's KKG[
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]First of all the orb is the source of both light and sound. The whole context I was applying was the protection of the the orb, via the Dragon Entity's liquid. It seems your misinterpreting my post as well.
Valid counter.
These are the same snakes that Kabuto were inside -_-, you know, in liquid form, he can't hid inside if he is not liquifying with them. To make a claim that he cannot absorb natural energy while in liquid form would mean that liquid form cannot use chakra at all.
At next sentence, quote me because know I am confuse to where I stated this. Cause I could of sworn I was talking about Pretra Path attempting to absorb Kabuto's chakra.
I didn't say anything about the other snakes until your other points I broken down.. Muilti dog either gets poison bite or eventually coiled since dog and snakes can't skill each other. Snakes liquify and regenerate rendering phyiscal attacks useless.
Third point: Seriously? [
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].Forth: Well if you reread your post you would know that I could of been confuse. Manda II rolls over=Nagato dies. Manda II has limbs[
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]..Because the receivers aren't?
Because Nagato's absorption is not instant? Your exaggerating on Preta. Manda II rolls over and kills him.
Manda I feats says hi, which Kabuto said Manda II outclasses. Plus dwarfs, which has limbs for such purposes lol. That bird has no such speed feats so I'm sorry if I want take this part of the counter seriously.
Once again Gezo gets trashed. Even if Gezo were to damage it, it would only look like a small wound in comparison. And which Manda II does this [
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].CT bundles the rocks and compressed... Muki Tensei works. Manda II breaks it.
And then theres sound Genjtusu
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NarutoIndra
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No, that is not how it works. Once BT is used, The deva path is not active anymore. BT is only to bring Kabuto close so he can continue his plan of using Asura path via 3 arms, while one awaits Kabuto to use jutsu so it can preta. Once BT is used, deva automatically is not being used anymore, Asura holds Kabuto in a grasp, and keeps preta available incase Kabuto attempts something stupid. A few limbs are most definitely taken out, you have yet to counter this.
Lol. It was Edo. Edo do not have bones so you're point miserably fails. But yes, Naruto can easily take off a hand considering he carried and threw a Giant rhino spinning at him many meters into the air. He is not on par. Bring me feats, or this is mere hype in attempt to solidify an argument which isn't based off feats. Once again, it is hype to assume he has Jirobo's strength considering it may have not been part of the DNA, but rather a genetical mutation from the curse mark, which Kabuto cannot use. Kabuto has only shown to use Jirobo's abilities after having clapped his hands together, and inserted a tag within the head [
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]. However, there is no chance of this occurring when he's being restrained via 2 Asura tentacles, while a asura attack is being prepared to blow off some limbs and bones, unavoidably may I add. Yes, but what does that have to do with jirobo's physical strength? Saying it will further increase his strength is once again, an assumption, let alone your point of Kabuto being the physically strongest in the series when Tsunade arm wrestles him with her pinky and wins. He has to summon Jirobo so that he can have him use his strength, and as I have already proven, it won't be usable once Kabuto is bound due to the prep it requires. BT speed is beyond the speed of that long prep by far. Moreover, the strength won't be as great as the original Jirobo, considering all the users have shown inferior abilities to their originals. It won't necessarily hurt him bad, but it will have an effect. His liquefaction will make his liquid disperse, so that isn't a viable counter. Having superior CQC isn't an argument against Nagato, who alone was capable of taking on the CQC of KCM Naruto and Bee with not much effort. Sakons use of the KKG has not been displayed, and is highly unlikely to be possible considering that Sakon would have to be acting upon himself to merge with another body. This other body cannot merge with another body considering it has no soul when being used by another user via DNA. If you believe it does have a soul, which it doesn't, human path ends Sakon eternally, meaning the transformation to the other DNA of Kabuto's isn't plausible anymore, considering Sakon is the one who allows it to occur.
Yes I know that. I countered both of these, concerning the orb and the thick liquid. So I don't see how i misunderstood, I simply took on an extra scenario. Incase I have to repeat it again, the liquid is separated from the orb, or simply pushed miles away via ST, along with Kabuto.
Agreed.
But that is not my fault. That is on you for misunderstanding my sentence..
Since when do they have poison, I don't recall. Moreover, all snakes are shitted on via Asura attack and all snakes are affected every time Nagato uses his AOE ST. My third point can't be disproved. They split up by their own will, ignoring this would be refuting the manga, since they do not split after time passes, but split the second they are hit. Nothing had hit them at that specific point in time, thus they can split at will.
The receivers aren't what? If they stab him, they control him, he can decide to control him, simple.. Preta may take some time, but it is definitely possible to do it. Lol no. Nagato can fly via deva path as he has already shown. Levitating and absorbing manda's chakra will prevent any rotation from stopping preta path. CT ends Manda II.
Yes, I my self already stated Manda II is stronger. Doesn't mean his tanking or piercing durability have changed. Being bigger does not imply harder skin, or impenetrable flesh. Are you suggesting those giant hands can pinpoint, let alone grab the chakra receivers? Lol ok... [
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]. Such destruction with not a exceptionally large body implies it has great speed. Nothing is suggesting Manda can hit it. CT CT bundles the rocks and compresses the. They are still not directly one stone, nor are they completely concocted considering trees are in-between the majority of rocks, considering this is a forest. Moreover, even if this wasn't a forrest, nothing suggests Kabuto can do it without it being a single solid. Muki tensei is of no help. Manda 2 isn't breaking an even larger CT. Naruto with the Kyuubi has immense strength for an extremely small body. Meaning he only has to unleash his strength so that he can break though tinier place. Manda 2 literally has to escape the entire orb pushing down on him from all directions, since he would literally be wrappers around the orb, thus having a greater area. Naruto in almost 100% Kyuubi form should not be compared to a mere Manda 2. I understand Manda 2 is exceptionally strong, but most of that comes from his sheer size. Sheer size is a technical disadvantage in a situation with pressure from many sides in comparison to a single, small side. 8 Tails Kyuubi strength is well beyond any strength Manda 2 has to offer in proportion to body size. That is like saying Manda 2 has similar size to 8 tails Kyuubi with the tip of his tail, when one can clearly deduce the 8 tailed Kurama has enough strength to give Manda 2 decent trouble, let alone comparing body size:strength.
You still have to nullify how he counters the asura attack to the face, and how he counters CT.
