No, that is not how it works. Once BT is used, The deva path is not active anymore. BT is only to bring Kabuto close so he can continue his plan of using Asura path via 3 arms, while one awaits Kabuto to use jutsu so it can preta. Once BT is used, deva automatically is not being used anymore, Asura holds Kabuto in a grasp, and keeps preta available incase Kabuto attempts something stupid. A few limbs are most definitely taken out, you have yet to counter this.
How do you not see how Deva Path works? Nagato/Pain HAS to keep his hand focus on what he is pulling, period. He does not use it once and then do whatever he wants. [
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So once again, in your premise, Nagato is already using two Path's at the same. If he wants to counter Kabuto, while Kabuto is getting draged, then Asura's attack needs to make it in time, or be punished, or switch to absorbing Kabuto's attack.
Why do you keep on thinking Nagato is Superior up close? Holding Kabuto down is useless as he can slough off his skin. Or simply instant oral rebirth, to rip his head off[
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Lol. It was Edo. Edo do not have bones so you're point miserably fails. But yes, Naruto can easily take off a hand considering he carried and threw a Giant rhino spinning at him many meters into the air. He is not on par. Bring me feats, or this is mere hype in attempt to solidify an argument which isn't based off feats. Once again, it is hype to assume he has Jirobo's strength considering it may have not been part of the DNA, but rather a genetical mutation from the curse mark, which Kabuto cannot use. Kabuto has only shown to use Jirobo's abilities after having clapped his hands together, and inserted a tag within the head [
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Does Edo not keep their durability, so it matters because? Thus, so my point still stands. How is your example of premise any different then mine. And why is your words valid, and claiming mine is not?
"Natuto strength was never shown to take off a hand. But he has displayed carrying a Giant rhino, therefore Naruto strength can rip off a hand with sheer swing." How you see my point: EjBlack said, Kabuto has access to the force of nature, that displays the powers that enables all the things that Naruto has access too. Kabuto has never thrown a rhino before therefore he does not fully access to nature, even though he did master natural energy. His example of ripping up a hand is still not valid, therefore his point is moot.
@Bold (Sigh) You don't know how Kabuto or Sakon works.. Where do I begin.. How do I make it simple for you.. Sakon has a KKG.. Sakon ability has to the power to construct and deconstruct DNA at will[
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Re read the scan you post, claiming he stick it inside Jirobo, lol. That tailsmen is for Itachi, to rewrite his Edo command. I promise you flip to the next page and you will still see it carrying it. The tailsmen is strictly for Edo. The Sound 5 are not Edo.
Kabuto does not use curse mark as he has Sage Mode.
All of the Sound 5 are using Senjutsu by Kabuto's command. All the Sound 5 has kept their ability.
Example: Tayuya has no KKG or ability. But she is skilled with Genjutsu. Kabuto accessed to her. he can use her DNA, mind, and chakra to enable the Sound to perform her jutsu.
Do I still need to break down Jirobo?
I deleted your rest of the argument cause its too much to write for now. This part of the argument needs to be settle before I need to go any further.
How do you not see how Deva Path works? Nagato/Pain HAS to keep his hand focus on what he is pulling, period. He does not use it once and then do whatever he wants. [
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So once again, in your premise, Nagato is already using two Path's at the same. If he wants to counter Kabuto, while Kabuto is getting draged, then Asura's attack needs to make it in time, or be punished, or switch to absorbing Kabuto's attack.
Why do you keep on thinking Nagato is Superior up close? Holding Kabuto down is useless as he can slough off his skin. Or simply instant oral rebirth, to rip his head off[
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Does Edo not keep their durability, so it matters because? Thus, so my point still stands. How is your example of premise any different then mine. And why is your words valid, and claiming mine is not?
"Natuto strength was never shown to take off a hand. But he has displayed carrying a Giant rhino, therefore Naruto strength can rip off a hand with sheer swing." How you see my point: EjBlack said, Kabuto has access to the force of nature, that displays the powers that enables all the things that Naruto has access too. Kabuto has never thrown a rhino before therefore he does not fully access to nature, even though he did master natural energy. His example of ripping up a hand is still not valid, therefore his point is moot.
@Bold (Sigh) You don't know how Kabuto or Sakon works.. Where do I begin.. How do I make it simple for you.. Sakon has a KKG.. Sakon ability has to the power to construct and deconstruct DNA at will[
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Re read the scan you post, claiming he stick it inside Jirobo, lol. That tailsmen is for Itachi, to rewrite his Edo command. I promise you flip to the next page and you will still see it carrying it. The tailsmen is strictly for Edo. The Sound 5 are not Edo.
Kabuto does not use curse mark as he has Sage Mode.
All of the Sound 5 are using Senjutsu by Kabuto's command. All the Sound 5 has kept their ability.
Example: Tayuya has no KKG or ability. But she is skilled with Genjutsu. Kabuto accessed to her. he can use her DNA, mind, and chakra to enable the Sound to perform her jutsu.
Do I still need to break down Jirobo?
I deleted your rest of the argument cause its too much to write for now. This part of the argument needs to be settle before I need to go any further.
Lol no. Answer my entire argument or don't answer at all. I am not going to answer half posts, in which I need to continue answering the other half of the post, I have better things to do. Once you have answered my entire post, I will reply. "Don't five me the "this part needs to be settled before you go further." I will answer as soon as you have answered the rest of my argument.
Lol no. Answer my entire argument or don't answer at all. I am not going to answer half posts, in which I need to continue answering the other half of the post, I have better things to do. Once you have answered my entire post, I will reply. "Don't five me the "this part needs to be settled before you go further." I will answer as soon as you have answered the rest of my argument.
It can't go further since your argument is everywhere with misconceptions. If I can't break down the basics then the rest of your argument will just follow it, being a complete waste of time.
It can't go further since your argument is everywhere with misconceptions. If I can't break down the basics then the rest of your argument will just follow it, being a complete waste of time.
How do you not see how Deva Path works? Nagato/Pain HAS to keep his hand focus on what he is pulling, period. He does not use it once and then do whatever he wants. [
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So once again, in your premise, Nagato is already using two Path's at the same. If he wants to counter Kabuto, while Kabuto is getting draged, then Asura's attack needs to make it in time, or be punished, or switch to absorbing Kabuto's attack.
You clearly do not understand what I am saying here. BT creates an attractive force which pulls Kabuto towards Nagato. Once this force has pulled him close, he uses asura, and deactivates Deva. He can use human to instantly kill Kabuto in DSM, or keeps preta available and does not use human. Anyways, the asura attack will likely severely damage Kabuto which isbeing bound by 2 asura tentacles, and cannot fire attacks since preta is available. Moreover, Asura can clearly warp around Kabuto's arms/waist and the other arm using Asura can wrap around his neck. This would prevent Kabuto from
1. Getting out with or without great strength (which he has no fetas of)
2. Nagato can use any jutsu considering Oral rebirth and White rage requires an open throat, but that isn't happening when Asura closes on his throat. His arms are bound, so no jutsu will be used, at all.
3. Asura attack can be used to damage Kabuto, who will attempt to liquefy, but still be damaged. Liquefying will make him vulnerable to human path.
4. Preta does not have to be available anymore considering the fact that Kabuto simply cannot use jutsu, meaning human kills him in under a second.
Why do you keep on thinking Nagato is Superior up close? Holding Kabuto down is useless as he can slough off his skin. Or simply instant oral rebirth, to rip his head off[
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Does Edo not keep their durability, so it matters because? Thus, so my point still stands. How is your example of premise any different then mine. And why is your words valid, and claiming mine is not?
I have addressed why he will not be capable of doing such. Naruto KCM and Bee had superior strength to Nagato. I didn't see them doing anything now did I... Although the 'feats' you speak of are rather hype, not feats. Even if his strength is slightly increased, nothing suggests he will be leaving the Asura tentacles or the chameleon tongue bind (if it is used).
Edo's don't necessarily keep their joint and bone durability. They have shown to keep their skin and flesh durability, but not their bone durability. Saying the keep the bonds between heir bones is rather considered a baseless assumption, to an extent.
"Natuto strength was never shown to take off a hand. But he has displayed carrying a Giant rhino, therefore Naruto strength can rip off a hand with sheer swing." How you see my point: EjBlack said, Kabuto has access to the force of nature, that displays the powers that enables all the things that Naruto has access too. Kabuto has never thrown a rhino before therefore he does not fully access to nature, even though he did master natural energy. His example of ripping up a hand is still not valid, therefore his point is moot.
@Bold (Sigh) You don't know how Kabuto or Sakon works.. Where do I begin.. How do I make it simple for you.. Sakon has a KKG.. Sakon ability has to the power to construct and deconstruct DNA at will[
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That example doesn't suffice. Kabuto has not shown he can do things Naruto has done. he has only shown to strengthen perception, reaction speed, movement speed and unique like snake attributes. Saying he can do things Naruto can merely because he uses Senjutsu is hype. It is not a feat, it is literally hype. Until you can show me brute strength with scans, this example stays in the bin.
I already claimed Sakon is used for such reasons. Yes, but how does that mean he can use attack of the twin demons, when he has not shown it. Nothing suggests that the twin dormant brother is passed on by the DNA of Sakon alone, when they have two different DNA's. Furthermore, if you want to continue giving abilities to Kabuto which haven't been shown, then I can follow along your path and begin giving Nagato all of his five elements, which will indubitably nullify any liquefaction by Raiton, which has already been shown to disable the opponent as it did on Suigetsu.
Re read the scan you post, claiming he stick it inside Jirobo, lol. That tailsmen is for Itachi, to rewrite his Edo command. I promise you flip to the next page and you will still see it carrying it. The tailsmen is strictly for Edo. The Sound 5 are not Edo.
Kabuto does not use curse mark as he has Sage Mode.
All of the Sound 5 are using Senjutsu by Kabuto's command. All the Sound 5 has kept their ability.
Example: Tayuya has no KKG or ability. But she is skilled with Genjutsu. Kabuto accessed to her. he can use her DNA, mind, and chakra to enable the Sound to perform her jutsu.
Point taken. Doesn't change the fact it takes much longer to use than BT, considering he has to clasp his hands together, and wait for that 'snake' to come out his lower body, till he can use it. BT does it instantly and doesn't allow Kabuto to continue. After that, insta Human path ends it.
Do I still need to break down Jirobo?
I deleted your rest of the argument cause its too much to write for now. This part of the argument needs to be settle before I need to go any further.
Indeed do. We have only seen his Doton being used by Nagato, which won't be a factor when Nagato has him with his tentacle grasps. You can also now continue to show me how Muki Tensei/Manda 2 can remotely damage/nullify the CT. Once Kabuto is in it, he will be suffocating along with his summon Manda. Kabuto will be instantly crushed by the extreme pressure put onto him from an omnidirectional force pressing down against him. Muki Tensei requires the solid to be a single solid, as the cave was. Nothing implies he can do it through gaps of the rocks, otherwise he wouldn't have to touch it. Trees are organic, and they will be separating the vast majority of rocks, considering this is a forest.
Yeah, I agree has has extremely high chances of winning, but I doubt he would conclude the match as victorious. Nagato has had more time to display his feats, hence has more viable counters to Kabuto. If they had an equal screen time, I doubt Kabuto would be losing this, too bad though lol. I have seen that debate, no body judged though from what I recall.
Yeah, I agree has has extremely high chances of winning, but I doubt he would conclude the match as victorious. Nagato has had more time to display his feats, hence has more viable counters to Kabuto. If they had an equal screen time, I doubt Kabuto would be losing this, too bad though lol. I have seen that debate, no body judged though from what I recall.
You clearly do not understand what I am saying here. BT creates an attractive force which pulls Kabuto towards Nagato. Once this force has pulled him close, he uses asura, and deactivates Deva. He can use human to instantly kill Kabuto in DSM, or keeps preta available and does not use human. Anyways, the asura attack will likely severely damage Kabuto which isbeing bound by 2 asura tentacles, and cannot fire attacks since preta is available. Moreover, Asura can clearly warp around Kabuto's arms/waist and the other arm using Asura can wrap around his neck. This would prevent Kabuto from
1. Getting out with or without great strength (which he has no fetas of)
2. Nagato can use any jutsu considering Oral rebirth and White rage requires an open throat, but that isn't happening when Asura closes on his throat. His arms are bound, so no jutsu will be used, at all.
3. Asura attack can be used to damage Kabuto, who will attempt to liquefy, but still be damaged. Liquefying will make him vulnerable to human path.
4. Preta does not have to be available anymore considering the fact that Kabuto simply cannot use jutsu, meaning human kills him in under a second.
How am I not seeing how your premise works? Did I not say, Kabuto can do something while he is being transported to Nagato. Your premise seems to make that Kabuto cannot do anything in the process of being transported, but is instantly in Nagato's arms. So again this premise doesn't work. Having the Sound 5 Doppelganger will be ready:
1.Getting out by physical strength or the force of nature, extending you hand-to-hand swing/hitbox. Adding Sakon machine gun fist tech to add more physical force.
2.Out of character for Manga Intel in Nagato's case, nor is attempting to coil his mouth going to help against his superior strength, and Doppelganger on command. And Kabuto senses his attemping, thus doing it asap, once again ripping him off with his bare teeth.
3. You cannot damage liquid, Kabuto can just liquify his insides, moisture his body, for physical power at the same time.
4. You have Kimmimaro's KKG having bones coming from all directions of Kabuto's body, ripping Nagato to shreds and his Asura mechanic
5. You have Orochimaru's true form, that carries poison, vaporizing in the air, if damaged. Or taking his body.
I have addressed why he will not be capable of doing such. Naruto KCM and Bee had superior strength to Nagato. I didn't see them doing anything now did I... Although the 'feats' you speak of are rather hype, not feats. Even if his strength is slightly increased, nothing suggests he will be leaving the Asura tentacles or the chameleon tongue bind (if it is used).
KCM (Naruto's SM is physically stronger then KM) and Base Bee were subjugated already. Both were ignorant in their situation, due to Manga Intel and Intelligence. Kabuto is physically superior to those KCM and Bee. Kabuto has different feats to deal with it then these two. Kabuto is smater. SM senses makes it a big factor that what Nagato did to Naruto and Bee wouldn't be effective the same way against Kabuto. Everything suggest this Path tactics are not working here.
Edo's don't necessarily keep their joint and bone durability. They have shown to keep their skin and flesh durability, but not their bone durability. Saying the keep the bonds between heir bones is rather considered a baseless assumption, to an extent.
Lol what dude? Why are you breaking down Edo durability feats? Do you know Edo Tensei breaks the law of nature? There is no such thing as bone durability, this, that and the third. What they have is an reanimate tissue period. They keep their durability for however they body is in general, period. They can't flex their body how every they want just because they don't have literally bones, or whatever keeps them in contact together, in Edo form, lol. Your really trying to hard to make excuses on my points being invalid.
That example doesn't suffice. Kabuto has not shown he can do things Naruto has done. he has only shown to strengthen perception, reaction speed, movement speed and unique like snake attributes. Saying he can do things Naruto can merely because he uses Senjutsu is hype. It is not a feat, it is literally hype. Until you can show me brute strength with scans, this example stays in the bin.
Why did you make a claim to say Kabuto has not shown everything Naruto has done? HE has done even but swing a Giant Summon around. In no scenario of Kabuto's screen time can prove he needs to swing around a Giant summon in order to prove his Sage Mode strength is improved. Base Kabuto snake attributes? Kabuto can do them in his Kabutomaru base form, lmao. Once again manga implies everything is boost therefore natural energy boosted everything. Saying strength is excluded is simply taking the manga out of context. If I say Madara can only use Flower Tree World, since he is the only person in the manga to show it, is that validated? No.
I already claimed Sakon is used for such reasons. Yes, but how does that mean he can use attack of the twin demons, when he has not shown it. Nothing suggests that the twin dormant brother is passed on by the DNA of Sakon alone, when they have two different DNA's. Furthermore, if you want to continue giving abilities to Kabuto which haven't been shown, then I can follow along your path and begin giving Nagato all of his five elements, which will indubitably nullify any liquefaction by Raiton, which has already been shown to disable the opponent as it did on Suigetsu.
Dude are you serious... Read your bold.. Your asking me how can he use Attack of Twin Demon when he has Attack of Twin Demon.. And then said when he has not shown it..
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Where do I begin. I will try my best to not lose patience here.. Sakon and Ukon KKG gives them the ability to break their bodies down to a molecular level. What you see Kabuto doing is the same. He use ATD so Sakon can appear by breaking down his body to come out of Kabuto's stomach. Since this ability can brake down molecules anywhere, this means that the stomach is not the only spot where he can break down the body. The characteristic of Sakon appearance (
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Furthermore your premise does not work. There is so many jutsus in the 5 elements Nagato, only showing a few, doesn't mean he knows every single element jutsu names. Where as, Kabuto knows the Sound 5 and Oro from head to toe, fact. Using their DNA means he can use their DNA attributes, fact.
Even by chance you give Nagato a basic element jutsu for lightening, by chance to counter Kabuto's liquid, it still wouldn't work. Since the liquid is alternated. But its not necessary to break that part down at all.
Point taken. Doesn't change the fact it takes much longer to use than BT, considering he has to clasp his hands together, and wait for that 'snake' to come out his lower body, till he can use it. BT does it instantly and doesn't allow Kabuto to continue. After that, insta Human path ends it.
Indeed do. We have only seen his Doton being used by Nagato, which won't be a factor when Nagato has him with his tentacle grasps. You can also now continue to show me how Muki Tensei/Manda 2 can remotely damage/nullify the CT. Once Kabuto is in it, he will be suffocating along with his summon Manda. Kabuto will be instantly crushed by the extreme pressure put onto him from an omnidirectional force pressing down against him. Muki Tensei requires the solid to be a single solid, as the cave was. Nothing implies he can do it through gaps of the rocks, otherwise he wouldn't have to touch it. Trees are organic, and they will be separating the vast majority of rocks, considering this is a forest.
Sorry I won't elaborate here until you understand that natural energy is not a excluded feat. Kabuto can access the all of the Sound 5/Oro jutsu by constructing and deconstructing from their DNA.
You cannot use panel time as an excuse to make Kabuto feats invalid.
How am I not seeing how your premise works? Did I not say, Kabuto can do something while he is being transported to Nagato. Your premise seems to make that Kabuto cannot do anything in the process of being transported, but is instantly in Nagato's arms. So again this premise doesn't work. Having the Sound 5 Doppelganger will be ready:
1.Getting out by physical strength or the force of nature, extending you hand-to-hand swing/hitbox. Adding Sakon machine gun fist tech to add more physical force.
2.Out of character for Manga Intel in Nagato's case, nor is attempting to coil his mouth going to help against his superior strength, and Doppelganger on command. And Kabuto senses his attemping, thus doing it asap, once again ripping him off with his bare teeth.
3. You cannot damage liquid, Kabuto can just liquify his insides, moisture his body, for physical power at the same time.
4. You have Kimmimaro's KKG having bones coming from all directions of Kabuto's body, ripping Nagato to shreds and his Asura mechanic
5. You have Orochimaru's true form, that carries poison, vaporizing in the air, if damaged. Or taking his body.
Once agin, you're argument avoids giving proof of the things you believe he can do. Until you show me scans of Kabuto with enhanced strength, your argument doesn't hold. Show me scans, or don't bring it up. Debates cannot be based off of Hype, and that is exactly what you are doing. Considering you later on bring in the IC sort of debating, I will use it here. Kabuto has not shown to instantly use his doppelgaengers from the beginning of a fight, so your point once again is moot. If I were to take a different approach, once could say it BT has never been countered against. No one has shown to be capable of doing anything in regards to BT in the past. As the manga has proven, the attractive force pulls the centre of the body towards the BT user, while all other body parts are left with no attraction, resulting in something like this [
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1. You need proof of his brute strength.
2. Just found proof that Nagato can use 3 Path's at once, after re-reading the Nagato vs Bee/Naruto/Itachi fight. As you can see [
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3. Kabuto's liquefying technique has shown to take longer than Suigetsu's. You can clearly see it took a while until the snake liquefied here [
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4. Kabuto's use of Kimimaro's KKG was on a complete weaker scale. You cannot say [
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5. Orochimaru is useless in this. Poison being used is chakra, which can be absorbed by preta. Though he isn't being used anyways.
6. Nothing suggests the snake like organism that
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leaves kabuto's lower body gets harder/stronger. Considering nothing refutes it being similar to a snake, it is safe to assume it is easily cut as all other snakes have shown to be. Taking this into account, Asura easily cuts it off, which is of course hypothetical considering he won't clasp two hand together in time before Nagato needs to put one arm up in a linear fashion.
Indeed, the moment BT is used, Kabuto loses.
KCM (Naruto's SM is physically stronger then KM) and Base Bee were subjugated already. Both were ignorant in their situation, due to Manga Intel and Intelligence. Kabuto is physically superior to those KCM and Bee. Kabuto has different feats to deal with it then these two. Kabuto is smater. SM senses makes it a big factor that what Nagato did to Naruto and Bee wouldn't be effective the same way against Kabuto. Everything suggest this Path tactics are not working here.
No he is not lmao. Show me some scans. Next thing I realise, you will be telling me Kabuto can use snake frog kata or something. Stop crediting feats which have not been shown in the manga, not usable in debates. BT can't be dodged. CT can't be stopped. Nagato using three paths simultaneously can't be surpassed.
Lol what dude? Why are you breaking down Edo durability feats? Do you know Edo Tensei breaks the law of nature? There is no such thing as bone durability, this, that and the third. What they have is an reanimate tissue period. They keep their durability for however they body is in general, period. They can't flex their body how every they want just because they don't have literally bones, or whatever keeps them in contact together, in Edo form, lol. Your really trying to hard to make excuses on my points being invalid.
This is all speculation as mine was. You believing your opinion is greater than mine is amusing. The flexing example doesn't hold, considering they have full control of their body. Having full control of your body=/=having the same body you had prior to death. Anyways, you can believe what you want since this is speculation, it still doesn't mean that Kabuto biting off an arm is equivalent to amazing strength, let alone the strength feats Naruto has demonstrated.
Why did you make a claim to say Kabuto has not shown everything Naruto has done? HE has done even but swing a Giant Summon around. In no scenario of Kabuto's screen time can prove he needs to swing around a Giant summon in order to prove his Sage Mode strength is improved. Base Kabuto snake attributes? Kabuto can do them in his Kabutomaru base form, lmao. Once again manga implies everything is boost therefore natural energy boosted everything. Saying strength is excluded is simply taking the manga out of context. If I say Madara can only use Flower Tree World, since he is the only person in the manga to show it, is that validated? No.
Kabuto has not shown frog Kata. Kabuto has not shown good strength. Your argument doesn't hold. Manga dialogue from a person who has no proof does not prove a feat. I can bring you tonnes of dialogue which has been disproven, hence your hype doesn't hold either. Lol. Your point of Hashirama having no flower tree world because he has not shown it is laughable at best. They were praising Kabuto for recreating it, and his direct granddaughter said Hashirama had it. There is evident proof of this, considering Kabuto would have created, instead of re-created.
Dude are you serious... Read your bold.. Your asking me how can he use Attack of Twin Demon when he has Attack of Twin Demon.. And then said when he has not shown it..
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Where do I begin. I will try my best to not lose patience here.. Sakon and Ukon KKG gives them the ability to break their bodies down to a molecular level. What you see Kabuto doing is the same. He use ATD so Sakon can appear by breaking down his body to come out of Kabuto's stomach. Since this ability can brake down molecules anywhere, this means that the stomach is not the only spot where he can break down the body. The characteristic of Sakon appearance (
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) shows that it is sharing Kabuto's body. Everything suggest that Sakon ability and body is completely in unison with Kabuto.
Talk about losing patience.. Irony. Anyways, that wasn't my point. My point was that he cannot create Ukon's face from Nagato's body. The technique I was referring to in which he couldn't use was the parasite demon demolition jutsu. He attaches to another person, but then again that isn't possible because Kabuto never stated he had Ukon's DNA nor did he state that he can control a person on another's body, while fighting.
Furthermore your premise does not work. There is so many jutsus in the 5 elements Nagato, only showing a few, doesn't mean he knows every single element jutsu names. Where as, Kabuto knows the Sound 5 and Oro from head to toe, fact. Using their DNA means he can use their DNA attributes, fact.
Even by chance you give Nagato a basic element jutsu for lightening, by chance to counter Kabuto's liquid, it still wouldn't work. Since the liquid is alternated. But its not necessary to break that part down at all.
No lol. Nagato was capable of using all chakra natures at the age of ten
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All six referring to Yin/Yang. Anyways, that means he can use any chakra nature, an by your logic, I can simply hand him Raiton feats now. As we saw against Suigetsu, Raiton is the greatest counter to liquefaction [
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]. Completely paralysed, please don't say "it isn't much".
Oh so you do think BT is instant >_>..
Sorry I won't elaborate here until you understand that natural energy is not a excluded feat. Kabuto can access the all of the Sound 5/Oro jutsu by constructing and deconstructing from their DNA.
You cannot use panel time as an excuse to make Kabuto feats invalid.[/QUOTE]
Lol, one hand going up is faster than out of character insta two hand clasp, which creates a snake from the lower body, which in turn ends up using Sakon's DNA and KKG. You need to realise when Fukasaku or Shima say Nature energy, they are not always referring to all Sage modes. Only because he says SM, does not mean it isn't exclusive, considering he isn't expecting Naruto to know about other SM's, nor is their proof he himself knows about other SM's. Saying he should constantly say Toad SM as to specify is fallacious. On your last point, never did.
@NarutoIndra: Are you limiting Kabuto's arsenals for the sake of being argumentative at this point? I am giving you facts but claims that it needs to be feated in order to personally be validated for you.
@NarutoIndra: Are you limiting Kabuto's arsenals for the sake of being argumentative at this point? I am giving you facts but claims that it needs to be feated in order to personally be validated for you.
They are not facts when they are claims.. Anyways, any feat you hand to Kabuto still loses to three paths simultaneously, hence why you didn't even attempt o counter. If you don't have proof, in a debate, it is considered hype. Simple as that.
They are not facts when they are claims.. Anyways, any feat you hand to Kabuto still loses to three paths simultaneously, hence why you didn't even attempt o counter. If you don't have proof, in a debate, it is considered hype. Simple as that.
I backed them up and you though it was best to invalidate them too. I didn't attempt your post simply cause I lost patience of you invalidating them.
I didn't to counter none of your post because I simply lost patience to do so.
1. I already address the three paths situation: Summonings, via Animal Path and King Of Hell are already appear so they don't need to count as simultaneously, since they are present already. There for Nagato can still use two other paths at the same time.
2.Misconception that I do not want to write about, concerning Suijutsu and Kabuto's being the same thing, when Kabuto alternated it better.
3. Lost the patience to even argue that Oro poison doesn't produce by chakra but body fuild.
4.Misconceptions of Kabuto's jutsu
5. Breaking down Senjutsu explanation,Fukasaku, and Kabuto Knowledge
Are you not reading the context? Did you not read the 2nd sentence of Kabuto's comment? Kabuto already acknowledge the Paths power. He also felt that his back up feats can deal with them. Kabuto going against Obito didn't want to fight OBito because it would of ruin his secret plan.
I backed them up and you though it was best to invalidate them too. I didn't attempt your post simply cause I lost patience of you invalidating them.
I didn't to counter none of your post because I simply lost patience to do so.
1. I already address the three paths situation: Summonings, via Animal Path and King Of Hell are already appear so they don't need to count as simultaneously, since they are present already. There for Nagato can still use two other paths at the same time.
2.Misconception that I do not want to write about, concerning Suijutsu and Kabuto's being the same thing, when Kabuto alternated it better.
3. Lost the patience to even argue that Oro poison doesn't produce by chakra but body fuild.
4.Misconceptions of Kabuto's jutsu
5. Breaking down Senjutsu explanation,Fukasaku, and Kabuto Knowledge
1. This post just showed your ignorance. The King of hell is
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path, it isn't animal path, hence your previous reasoning once again doesn't hold. Hence, he can use three paths. Naraka paths, Human Paths, and Asura paths were all used at once, meaning he indeed did use three paths, and another argument goes in the bin.
2. Once again, you never had proof so me invalidating your points is only reasonable. It's like saying Hiruzen lives up to his hype, and me not invalidating it just because someone else wants to perceive it the way he wishes.
3. Orochimaru's True forms body fluid only becomes poisonous when it vaporises. Nowehere in the manga was it shown it can release body fluids on purpose, meaning it will only be poisonous if Nagato attempts to cut it, which he doesn't have to considering he can immobilise it by Asura tentacles. One Asura hand has shown to entangle an entire body. Nothing suggests he can't also use another hand to immobilise the body on Kabuto's waist. On the other hand, I have already proven he will not be capable of using Sakon's KKG in time, nor be capable of surviving that long.
4. Hype on Kabuto's Jutsu and severe lack of understanding on Nagato's abilities.
5. Statements of indirect representatives don't count i.e Fukasaku speaking of other SM's. You don't see people blast Itachi threads saying Zetsu said Itachi is immortal with Yata and Totsuka, so he is stronger than everyone in NV and DBZ combined, considering he's invincible... That argument once again is invalid. Furthermore, Kabuto never suggested he can use enhanced strength so I don't see your point.
Again, clearly you are confused about the hype and the three paths Nagato can use, all of which are game changers. Me invalidating your points is part of debate. Saying I will simply let them be and ignore them is rather amusing. Your loss of patience is rather the loss of ability to debate when the vast majority of your points have been refuted.
1. This post just showed your ignorance. The King of hell is
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path, it isn't animal path, hence your previous reasoning once again doesn't hold. Hence, he can use three paths. Naraka paths, Human Paths, and Asura paths were all used at once, meaning he indeed did use three paths, and another argument goes in the bin.
2. Once again, you never had proof so me invalidating your points is only reasonable. It's like saying Hiruzen lives up to his hype, and me not invalidating it just because someone else wants to perceive it the way he wishes.
3. Orochimaru's True forms body fluid only becomes poisonous when it vaporises. Nowehere in the manga was it shown it can release body fluids on purpose, meaning it will only be poisonous if Nagato attempts to cut it, which he doesn't have to considering he can immobilise it by Asura tentacles. One Asura hand has shown to entangle an entire body. Nothing suggests he can't also use another hand to immobilise the body on Kabuto's waist. On the other hand, I have already proven he will not be capable of using Sakon's KKG in time, nor be capable of surviving that long.
4. Hype on Kabuto's Jutsu and severe lack of understanding on Nagato's abilities.
5. Statements of indirect representatives don't count i.e Fukasaku speaking of other SM's. You don't see people blast Itachi threads saying Zetsu said Itachi is immortal with Yata and Totsuka, so he is stronger than everyone in NV and DBZ combined, considering he's invincible... That argument once again is invalid. Furthermore, Kabuto never suggested he can use enhanced strength so I don't see your point.
Again, clearly you are confused about the hype and the three paths Nagato can use, all of which are game changers. Me invalidating your points is part of debate. Saying I will simply let them be and ignore them is rather amusing. Your loss of patience is rather the loss of ability to debate when the vast majority of your points have been refuted.
Are you kidding me dude? Now your taking my words out of context to conclude that I'm being ignorant? And claim that you refuted my points simply cause you can't understand them?
Don't be a prick about it. If I refuse to go further is because I know it wouldn't go any where to prove to you and JUST you.
Are you kidding me dude? Now your taking my words out of context to conclude that I'm being ignorant? And claim that you refuted my points simply cause you can't understand them?
Don't be a prick about it. If I refuse to go further is because I know it wouldn't go any where to prove to you and JUST you.
Considering nothing at all in the manga suggests the King of hell will remain after being activated, your point is for the one hundredth time invalid. Moreover, he isn't a summon, which is further proof to my reasoing. Lastly, there would be no reason to have Naraka Path when Animal path would be able to use him if he were a summon. The only time I may have misunderstood your phrasing is when you yourself had grammatically incorrect phrasing, which was quite frequent in your argumentation. The only time you decided to stop going further was when I brought up the evidence he could use three paths at once. Coincidence? I think not. Considering you believe Naruto and Nagato are weaker than DSM Kabuto, it is only safe to assume you have a soft spot for Kabuto or simply are delusional in regards to the hype.
