Nagato outsmarted/overpowered by Itachi
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enditallsin
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If hes saying that itachi overpowers nagato and uses tsukiyomi as a reference why than hes making a big mistake because nagato also has something thats comparable to itachis tsukiyomi that itachi could never break out of and its a one shot(if the opponent is itachi)its called a chakra disruption blade if itachi gets stab by one of them the match is over it will disrupt his chakra, paralyses him, and put a influence over him that he can't break out of(unless he has a chakra level comparable to to combination of both kurama and sage mode)and if nagato chooses make itachi a minion(or path), btw way nagato is more tactical and strategic than itachi, hes proven this with his attack on konaha and during the garra rescue arc.
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Itachi wiseness and smartness is notable(sumthin even Tobi said),while nagato was never really that smart(as compared to Itachi),however the raw power of all paths against just Itachi,its difficult seein how any person can be killed and made into a path,so Itachi wud run out of chakra before endin the fight,unless he manages to locate Nagato
nagato can absorb susano since its cloaked in chakra .
nagato can absorb amaterasu.
Nagato is immune to tsukiyomi and other genjutsu.(rinnegan > EMS > MS )
katon and suiton wouldn't work on him either.
so... itachi's every technique is countered.
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itachi can't use taijutsu coz if he even comes close... either gravitation push or human path abosrb his soul with all his "knowledge".
how would itachi beat him?
also he have low stamina compared to nagato so...
he can't keep spamming ninjutsu and stuff but nagato can do that.
so nagato > itachi , however you look at it .
nagato can absorb amaterasu.
Nagato is immune to tsukiyomi and other genjutsu.(rinnegan > EMS > MS )
katon and suiton wouldn't work on him either.
so... itachi's every technique is countered.
and
itachi can't use taijutsu coz if he even comes close... either gravitation push or human path abosrb his soul with all his "knowledge".
how would itachi beat him?
also he have low stamina compared to nagato so...
he can't keep spamming ninjutsu and stuff but nagato can do that.
so nagato > itachi , however you look at it .
Gold Lightning
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Erm, sorry but Itachi would win, why is there even a doubt that he wouldn't when he's already beaten him with ease. Fair enough he was being controlled but even if he want and fully mobile, Itachi would own all the 6 paths of Pain.
And to the idiot above me, Genjutsu does work in Nagato you moron. Don't state made up facts.
And to the idiot above me, Genjutsu does work in Nagato you moron. Don't state made up facts.
EonForce42
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xUchihaxSenjux
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Itachi is really strong as he has Susanoo, amaterasu, Tsukiyomi. He also has totsuka blade and yata mirror. That sounds strong BUT Nagato can counter if hes fast enough as he lacks mobility compared to itachi. If he grabs itachi with a asura path arm and soul rips its over for itachi. He can almighty push his susanoo as deva path pushed three giant toads and hurt them so they couldnt move. Deva path is weaker then the actual nagato so he can push it far back enough and hurt him IMO. The only thing he needs to dodge is Totska blade and tsukiyomi. He isnt fast so he can still get hit by them I also think preta path can absorb amaterasu and almighty push can take it off him. And people Tsukiyomi can still hit Nagato because only a uchiha can Stop like sasuke or Madara but it doesnt mean the match is over. hes a uzumaki so even if hes hit it might not be over.
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mamamamonster
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Being the troll that I am, I am also wondering why you're still posting to this thread
he has izanagi and izanami if it goes the wrong way to save him as wellShinraa Tensei
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Personally, I see the 'intelligence' argument as kinda desperate.
There's no real substance with it and it automatically severely underestimates Nagato's (and anyone against Itachi) intelligence and grossly exaggerates Itachi's intelligence.
Lets look at the situation.
Kabuto lost Itachi, he was shocked and commended Itachi; he did not care that he lost Itachi. He still felt that with Nagato* he could still turn the tables.
He landed a massive hit on Itachi**, B and Naruto. Thereafter he got the Jinchuriki cornered.
Itachi got a hit because he never had to actually face Nagato - this automatically tells us that Itachi could not do much to Nagato. This is why he had to attack Nagato without fighting him. Kabuto tries a CT which was shown to be an attack Itachi couldn't do a thing about***. Kabuto soon after laments about losing Nagato only blaming Nagato's immobility for his loss; in other words in Kabuto's mind, Nagato using nothing but the Six Paths (while being mobile) could have won the battle.
*Despite being handicapped. Despite Kabuto not knowing about Nagato's powers outside the Six Paths, such as sensing.
**Muu showed us that Edo Tensei take longer to recover after being hit by insanely powerful attacks.
***We've seen the damage each attack {Rasenshuriken, Bijuu-Dama and Yasaka's Magatama} can do... there is nothing to suggest that Itachi could've done a darn thing.
Nothing about the battle so much as hints Itachi>Nagato. Quite the opposite, actually.
Portrayal: Nagato was called invincible by Tobi; the strongest man in Akatsuki. Zetsu found it unfathomable that Nagato could lose, even in such a weakened state. Kabuto and Tobi didn't feel much when they lost Itachi's power, yet felt annoyed when they lost Nagato's.
Tsunade stated that Nagato's power, as the Akatsuki's leader, is what kept Akatsuki in line. There's a reason Itachi didn't go on a murder spree within the Akatsuki, despite knowing their threat level, esp. towards Konoha.
Now if you want portrayal on their power and battle capabilities: Itachi gets the general top tier hype, how he's calm, calculating and has a lot of power which can make him appear invincible and how he has the strongest physical attack (Amaterasu) and one of the strongest Genjutsu to boot.
Impressive.
However Nagato gets things like: without understanding his power, you'll never beat him. His powers control life and death (Outer Path). He has enough power to destroy, and overtake, villages himself. All inclusive to the general top tier hype.
If you want to compare someone whose met 'em both:
- Jiraiya. Saw Itachi and Kisame and thought he'd try to take 'em. Saw Nagato, he decides to go serious from the start, and this is based on Nagato's Ninjutsu skill as a child.
- Naruto. Saw Itachi, and tells B that Itachi has two jutsu which are game enders. Tells B that Nagato's powers are out of this world, right after he said something along the lines of "of course he's super powerful!!"
- Kabuto and Tobi: they generally think more highly of Nagato's power.
- Zetsu: despite Itachi's intelligence and what not, he was shocked Itachi died. Not at the concept, but at how he seemed off (not dodging the shuriken and coughing). Whereas with Nagato he was shocked that there was a chance Nagato could lose.
Interestingly, he felt it was a given Itachi would lose with disease, yet was extremely shocked that Nagato could actually lose while being in the state he was in.
The author has Naruto and Sasuke progress as a pair. Naruto surpassed Minato to fight Pain, just as Sasuke surpassed Itachi to avenge him and Konoha - by killing Danzo.
That automatically nudges us to believe that Nagato's level>Itachi's level. Alongside Tobi telling us that Sasuke should one day exceed Nagato; this means a lot as this was said when Sasuke exceeded Itachi.
When you consider all this, the "intelligence" argument (which is vague and not really strong) doesn't seem to quite cut it.
There's no real substance with it and it automatically severely underestimates Nagato's (and anyone against Itachi) intelligence and grossly exaggerates Itachi's intelligence.
Lets look at the situation.
Kabuto lost Itachi, he was shocked and commended Itachi; he did not care that he lost Itachi. He still felt that with Nagato* he could still turn the tables.
He landed a massive hit on Itachi**, B and Naruto. Thereafter he got the Jinchuriki cornered.
Itachi got a hit because he never had to actually face Nagato - this automatically tells us that Itachi could not do much to Nagato. This is why he had to attack Nagato without fighting him. Kabuto tries a CT which was shown to be an attack Itachi couldn't do a thing about***. Kabuto soon after laments about losing Nagato only blaming Nagato's immobility for his loss; in other words in Kabuto's mind, Nagato using nothing but the Six Paths (while being mobile) could have won the battle.
*Despite being handicapped. Despite Kabuto not knowing about Nagato's powers outside the Six Paths, such as sensing.
**Muu showed us that Edo Tensei take longer to recover after being hit by insanely powerful attacks.
***We've seen the damage each attack {Rasenshuriken, Bijuu-Dama and Yasaka's Magatama} can do... there is nothing to suggest that Itachi could've done a darn thing.
Nothing about the battle so much as hints Itachi>Nagato. Quite the opposite, actually.
Portrayal: Nagato was called invincible by Tobi; the strongest man in Akatsuki. Zetsu found it unfathomable that Nagato could lose, even in such a weakened state. Kabuto and Tobi didn't feel much when they lost Itachi's power, yet felt annoyed when they lost Nagato's.
Tsunade stated that Nagato's power, as the Akatsuki's leader, is what kept Akatsuki in line. There's a reason Itachi didn't go on a murder spree within the Akatsuki, despite knowing their threat level, esp. towards Konoha.
Now if you want portrayal on their power and battle capabilities: Itachi gets the general top tier hype, how he's calm, calculating and has a lot of power which can make him appear invincible and how he has the strongest physical attack (Amaterasu) and one of the strongest Genjutsu to boot.
Impressive.
However Nagato gets things like: without understanding his power, you'll never beat him. His powers control life and death (Outer Path). He has enough power to destroy, and overtake, villages himself. All inclusive to the general top tier hype.
If you want to compare someone whose met 'em both:
- Jiraiya. Saw Itachi and Kisame and thought he'd try to take 'em. Saw Nagato, he decides to go serious from the start, and this is based on Nagato's Ninjutsu skill as a child.
- Naruto. Saw Itachi, and tells B that Itachi has two jutsu which are game enders. Tells B that Nagato's powers are out of this world, right after he said something along the lines of "of course he's super powerful!!"
- Kabuto and Tobi: they generally think more highly of Nagato's power.
- Zetsu: despite Itachi's intelligence and what not, he was shocked Itachi died. Not at the concept, but at how he seemed off (not dodging the shuriken and coughing). Whereas with Nagato he was shocked that there was a chance Nagato could lose.
Interestingly, he felt it was a given Itachi would lose with disease, yet was extremely shocked that Nagato could actually lose while being in the state he was in.
The author has Naruto and Sasuke progress as a pair. Naruto surpassed Minato to fight Pain, just as Sasuke surpassed Itachi to avenge him and Konoha - by killing Danzo.
That automatically nudges us to believe that Nagato's level>Itachi's level. Alongside Tobi telling us that Sasuke should one day exceed Nagato; this means a lot as this was said when Sasuke exceeded Itachi.
When you consider all this, the "intelligence" argument (which is vague and not really strong) doesn't seem to quite cut it.
LeEvilTongue
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So you are saying that if you own somebody, you are stronger than that somebody?
That's great, cause that means Kabuto is stronger than Itachi since the latter got cave-penetrated and bisected in that fight.
Have a good day. :ice: