Nagato outsmarted/overpowered by Itachi

[Munboy]

He couldnt really use mokuton, otherwise he would easily break sasuke's susanoo with it,Hashi beat Madara with mokuton...so I think he wanted the 1st's cells not for mokuton, cause he knew he wont be able to control it well, but because hashirama had a strong lifeforce and he wanted to prolong izanagi's time as long as he could, but IMO he could use izanagi without senju dna too, but then it would have lasted only for seconds ...

He couldn't use Mokuton well because, as Tobi said, he couldn't control Hashirama's power. He needed Hashirama's powers to obtain Izanagi and used Orochimaru's experiments to length the time of the jutsu.

It is heavily hinted he got Hashirama mainly for controlling Kurama. Hashirama had a natural ability to tame Bijuu, further Danzo had the Sharingan.
If you assume Danzo had Kotoamatsukami, then he also had MS: cementing the idea that he wanted to control Kurama. Thus taking Hashirama's DNA over other Senju (such as Tsunade or Tobirama) makes sense.

 

[Scooby Doo]

He couldn't use Mokuton well because, as Tobi said, he couldn't control Hashirama's power. He needed Hashirama's powers to obtain Izanagi and used Orochimaru's experiments to length the time of the jutsu.

It is heavily hinted he got Hashirama mainly for controlling Kurama. Hashirama had a natural ability to tame Bijuu, further Danzo had the Sharingan.
If you assume Danzo had Kotoamatsukami, then he also had MS: cementing the idea that he wanted to control Kurama. Thus taking Hashirama's DNA over other Senju (such as Tsunade or Tobirama) makes sense.

Yeah but still, then he didnt need Hashi's cells for being able to use izanagi

 

[Munboy]

Yeah but still, then he didnt need Hashi's cells for being able to use izanami

I'm not saying he needs Hashirama's cells for Izanami, I'm saying he needs Hashirama's/Senju cells for Izanagi.

I never contested the idea that Izanami doesn't need Senju cells.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I'm not saying he needs Hashirama's cells for Izanami, I'm saying he needs Hashirama's/Senju cells for Izanagi.

I never contested the idea that Izanami doesn't need Senju cells.

Sorry of course I mistyped it ...I also meant izanagi.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

He couldn't use Mokuton well because, as Tobi said, he couldn't control Hashirama's power. He needed Hashirama's powers to obtain Izanagi and used Orochimaru's experiments to length the time of the jutsu.

It is heavily hinted he got Hashirama mainly for controlling Kurama. Hashirama had a natural ability to tame Bijuu, further Danzo had the Sharingan.
If you assume Danzo had Kotoamatsukami, then he also had MS: cementing the idea that he wanted to control Kurama. Thus taking Hashirama's DNA over other Senju (such as Tsunade or Tobirama) makes sense.

1st bold: he didn't need it to control the Kurama with Senju DNA. Sharingan is capable of doing this by it;s own his reason for the DNA IMO was to suppress the chakra to the point in which he can fully control it without it running wild from time to time. Also it is hinted not stated.

2nd bold: How does him having the eye imply that he has MS. When itachi brought out Kotoamatsukami from naruto, it has shisui's MS not his regular Shisui's sharingan, i think Kotoamatsukami (well at least the eye used to cast it, is in MS form) is used with Shisui's MS. You can;t say danzo changed the eyes into MS, niether can u say itachi changed the eye into MS. Or am i mistaken?

 

[Munboy]

Sorry of course I mistyped it ...I also meant izanagi.

In that case, you'll need to tell me why I should disagree with Tobi.

Raw, fan scan and Viz Media. All say the same thing: Senju cells are a must for Izanagi.

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[iMicLykTyson]

In that case, you'll need to tell me why I should disagree with Tobi.

Raw, fan scan and Viz Media. All say the same thing: Senju cells are a must for Izanagi.

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Then idk, Wiki gets it's facts from databook, and also tobi lies sometimes.

 

[Scooby Doo]

In that case, you'll need to tell me why I should disagree with Tobi.

Raw, fan scan and Viz Media. All say the same thing: Senju cells are a must for Izanagi.

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Because it can be interpreted that he only meant that senju dna is needed to prolong it, cause thats the real usage of it, otherwise its useless in battle, and not wise to use it, and thus it can be complied with what Itachi said. And if izanami doesnt require senju dna then why izanagi does?

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[JKakano]

There no facts about nagato beat itachi or itachi beat nagato because you still don't know itachi full power yet and their action in battle. Itachi can beat nagato and nagato can beat itachi end of story..

 

[Scooby Doo]

There no facts about nagato beat itachi or itachi beat nagato because you still don't know itachi full power yet and their action in battle. Itachi can beat nagato and nagato can beat itachi end of story..

Agree with you, so i dont understand those saying nagato wins no matter what. We've seen weaker people beating stronger ones.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

As i said the manga contradicts itself, he said he fought hashirama to gain his DNA, when in the current chapters it has been shown that Tobi is not Madara Uchiha.

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Here u hear him saying he is madara and he fought Hashi. Edo tensei proved to us that he was lying.

 

[Scooby Doo]

As i said the manga contradicts itself, he said he fought hashirama to gain his DNA, when in the current chapters it has been shown that Tobi is not Madara Uchiha.



Here u hear him saying he is madara and he fought Hashi. Edo tensei proved to us that he was lying.

Yes but then its not contradiction its twist in the plot or simply a lie as you said too

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Yes but then its not contradiction its twist in the plot or simply a lie as you said too

seems like i contradicted my self xd

But he did gain Hashi DNA but by other means has shown he Extracted hashi's dna from some sort of statue idk but he stored the DNA in form of 1000 Zetsu Clones

 

[Scooby Doo]

seems like i contradicted my self xd

Seems so no seriously, its like Itachi's case- first we thought he was a bad guy but he was good the whole time

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

Itachi vs Nagato would be a draw.

 

[soulreaper11]

I just realized this when re-reading the part when Itachi got out of Kabuto's control and fought Nagato who was fully controlled by Kabuto. He blinded Nagato's summons and found a way to defeat Chibaku Tensei. Itachi even helped Naruto and B break free from Nagato, both are helpless and could have been killed if it weren't for Itachi's presence. Finally, he was the one who sealed Nagato. So I do believe that Itachi could be a very difficult opponent for Nagato and has chances of beating him.xd

WTH:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw: u on crack let leave it at that

 

[zombiejesus]

I just realized this when re-reading the part when Itachi got out of Kabuto's control and fought Nagato who was fully controlled by Kabuto. He blinded Nagato's summons and found a way to defeat Chibaku Tensei. Itachi even helped Naruto and B break free from Nagato, both are helpless and could have been killed if it weren't for Itachi's presence. Finally, he was the one who sealed Nagato. So I do believe that Itachi could be a very difficult opponent for Nagato and has chances of beating him.xd

he has a slim chance at beating him the way a small child has a slim chance at beating me in arm wrestling

 

[Ngylle]

People seems to forget that while nagato is casting Chibaku, he can not do any other moves, if nagato stoped doing the chibaku to do another move, chibaku will just break!..

Also if Nagato use Chibaku!.

A-Itachi will die and at the end there will be 2 sharingans eyes behind nagato, it is when he will realized that everything was a genjutsu.

B-If nagato uses Chibaku, itachi can use Amataresu before the chibaku gets into the air and starts graviteting everything to the core.. If nagato gets hit with Amataresu, Chibaku will stop, Ninjas needs concentration to peformance a jutsu, specially one that needs a crazy bunch of chakra like chibaku and concentration.

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It is not like nagato will puked Chibaku out of his ass then the technique will do all by himself, nagato needs to send chakra and make it biger, if for any reason he stop doing that chibaku will be cancel.

 

[Christianclc]

I just realized this when re-reading the part when Itachi got out of Kabuto's control and fought Nagato who was fully controlled by Kabuto. He blinded Nagato's summons and found a way to defeat Chibaku Tensei. Itachi even helped Naruto and B break free from Nagato, both are helpless and could have been killed if it weren't for Itachi's presence. Finally, he was the one who sealed Nagato. So I do believe that Itachi could be a very difficult opponent for Nagato and has chances of beating him.xd

Well you do have to realize that he fought nagato with all of the path powers in one person, and not individual paths as people(like jiraiya did btw)

 

[Evil Panda]

Nope. Itachi can't stop Chibaku tensei by himself and shinra tensei would be a big problem for him.

There is only one word I have to use to tell you which one would win: Izanami.
If Itachi does that in the beggining of the battle, Nagato wouldn't have time to use either chibaku tensei or shinra tensei.
As much as I like Nagato, Itachi would beat him 1v1.