Nagato must have awakened his Rinnegan naturally
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this is probably what could hv happened;
1) Madara implanted his eyes in tobi.
2) After feeling the sorrow of rin's loss obito's new sharingan(given by madara) developed into rinnengan
3) Tobi then had given his rinnengan to nagato somehow
This ^^ or obito had found a kid (nagato a couple of years younger than obito) in the street whom he took and knocked him out and gave him madaras sharingan which then developed into rinnengan after witnessing his parents death.
What made me say this, is cuz obito told konan before killing her tht he gave the rinnengan to nagato and it is his in the first place. And he should have been honest since she is dead anyway.
1) Madara implanted his eyes in tobi.
2) After feeling the sorrow of rin's loss obito's new sharingan(given by madara) developed into rinnengan
3) Tobi then had given his rinnengan to nagato somehow
This ^^ or obito had found a kid (nagato a couple of years younger than obito) in the street whom he took and knocked him out and gave him madaras sharingan which then developed into rinnengan after witnessing his parents death.
What made me say this, is cuz obito told konan before killing her tht he gave the rinnengan to nagato and it is his in the first place. And he should have been honest since she is dead anyway.
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The problem is that Nagato is way older than Obito,Nagato was shown with rinnegan way before Madara saved Obito so if Madara really trasplanted his eyes to Nagato then he ''lied'' to Kabuto about the ''I awoke these eyes shortly before death'' because this would have happened over 10 years ago
Itachi's eyes are not implanted as so the chakra tax from his eyes are less than what Nagato experienced. Itachi never turned his Mangekyou off? What manga have you been reading?
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Nagato's eyes didn't even deactivate after his death, nuff said.
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He could've given the Rinnegan to nagato already, then implanted his original eyes that he stopped using after getting EMS.
Or some other random sharingan.
Or some other random sharingan.
Kira was Righteous
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If he used Izunas eyes he would be blind and it still doesn't explain that he unlocked the Rinnegan shortly before his death
In my opinion shortly is not 10-20 years when Nagato unlocked his Rinnegan and the transplant was supposed to have happened
i dont even think that this guy is nagato....he doesnt look like him..by the time obito "died" nagato was still young and red haired....he got old when he used the rinne tensei...so that guy might be another old uchiha...some1 like izuna maybe...
Tha transplantion didn't have to be happened literally, it could also be a secret technique by Madara which allowed Nagato to awake the Rinnegan, Madara transplanted his Rinnegan next to Nagato due to a technique. After all we saw Nagato unlocking the Rinnegan by himself. By this means, a literal transplantation should be out of the question. Where is the reason behind Nagato awakening the Rinnegan by himself? The RInnegan is known for being the next step of the Uchihas Sharingan, how an Uzumaki could awake the Rinnegan by himself? And why should Tobi lie when claiming that he give the Rinnegan next to Nagato while talking through Madaras role?
Kira was Righteous
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Madara cannot have given Nagato his eyes if years later hes talking to Obito with the Sharringan also hes said to have unlocked it shortly before his death.Nagato at this point will have had the Rinnegan for a number of years so that should answer most of your questions.
Im not Kishimoto i dont know how Nagato unlocked his Rinnegan but if hes half uchiha and half uzumaki everything would begin to fall into place.It was also confirm what Tobi said about Nagato being the next sage of 6 paths and how Madara gave him the Rinnegan if its his relation and that where the uchiha genes came from
true. +rep
when we saw old madara with obito nagato already had his rinnegan already for years. and we saw madara with his own eyes. how madara could give nagato his rinnegan if he awakened it shortly before his death?
when we saw old madara with obito nagato already had his rinnegan already for years. and we saw madara with his own eyes. how madara could give nagato his rinnegan if he awakened it shortly before his death?
Alot of you are assuming that nagato's Rinnegan needed to be unlocked or transplanted, Why? Think of it this way, Say Madara or Obito, either/or doesnt really matter, transplanted the Rinnegan into Nagato as a child. This doesnt make sense because as it has been stated, the Rinnegan is the most powerful Dojutsu, therefore the chakra is requires is vastly more then say the Sharigan. now concidering that this would be a tranplant, as shown with kakashi, the dojutsu would not be able to deactivate therefore, it would a 24/7 tax on nagato chakra, which would end up with him being such a small thing and not knowing anything about chakra would end up killing him. Remember how chakra works, you train to increase it, etc. Nagato had no training whatsoever, so he chakra would be extremely low and the constant drain from the Dojutsu would kill him. If you concider this, there is no reason or purpose to "transplant" the Rinnegan in Nagato, As I said, Transplanted. Now of whats been shown of, Nagato eyes always had the rinnegan design, why is that? Well as it has been assumed they were either transplanted or he unlocked them, However if he unlocked them, he would be able to turn them off/on, right? My theory is that they were neither transplanted or unlocked, but rather nagato was born with them, which would mean they would never turn off because they are his natural eyes? This makes since because prior to nagato killing the people who killed his parents, his eyes were not shown, right after we see the rinnegan, While yes it was stated that he "unlocked" them at this moment, but Maybe, just maybe what it was really saying was that he "unlocked" their potential power/abilities. For all nagato knew, all the things he saw with his eyes were normal for everyone, he would have no idea. Now if you go back to when obito said he gave Nagato the Rinnegan, what did he really mean? We all know that jiraiya trained him and that Nagato was able to learn everything and to use all 5 nature type. BUT, jiraiya knew nothing about how the rinnegan works or any of the unique abilities it was able to do. Who would teach Nagato these? Obito/Madara anyone? Could Obito have meant that he taught Nagato the secrets to the Rinnegan, in his mind that could very well mean he gave them to him from his perspective. He did teach Itachi and Sasuke( to a certain degree) the MS, and as it has been shown he was saved by madara, is it so hard to believe that he knew the secrets to the rinnegan via Madara?
Now some people say that the rinnegan comes from the sharigan, Why? All Madara said was he awakened them before his death, no where did he say it came from his sharigan, Kabuto made the assumption and Madara just did not correct him. Maybe Madara got them before his death by mixing Nagato Dna with his own, awakened them but due to his old weak body died as a result!
Now some people say that the rinnegan comes from the sharigan, Why? All Madara said was he awakened them before his death, no where did he say it came from his sharigan, Kabuto made the assumption and Madara just did not correct him. Maybe Madara got them before his death by mixing Nagato Dna with his own, awakened them but due to his old weak body died as a result!
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Some people said there's a plot hole about Madara giving Nagato his Rennigan, but I dont think there's a plot hole
During the 3rd great war, Madara was still alive and was very old as it has been show in the current manga.
Jiraya didnt meet Nagato to train him until after d war, when the 3 sennins were head home.
Someone mentioned that Jiraya had not trained the forth hokage... I for one will say ur brain and eyes are dead and need fixing by Madara or Zetsu....because if u follow the time line well, U will notice that Jiraya had already trained Minato before Minato married Kushina and before Minato became hokage. As at the 3 great war time, Minato was already a sensei (of Kakashi, Obito and Rin), thereby suggesting that he had already finished his preliminary trainings with Jiraya at a younger age (because he was considered an excellent student, who only appear once in a life time and started under Jiraya's wings from his youth, I think even before he was 12).
As for Madara giving Nagato his eyes, that happened just after d war, by then he had already rescued Obito during the war hence Obito was with him and knew about it. It was also possible to give Nagato the eyes because d war had just finished and the Uchihas were still around; so some might have died during the war and Madara just took their eyes or may be he go some Sharingan some other way :shrug:
But what bothers me is that when Itachi went to meet Madara for help to murder d Uchihas, it was actually Obito that he met up with and not Madara, therefore Obito had long hair like Madara at some point because it couldnt have been Madara himself since he was very old when he saved Obito.
During the 3rd great war, Madara was still alive and was very old as it has been show in the current manga.
Jiraya didnt meet Nagato to train him until after d war, when the 3 sennins were head home.
Someone mentioned that Jiraya had not trained the forth hokage... I for one will say ur brain and eyes are dead and need fixing by Madara or Zetsu....because if u follow the time line well, U will notice that Jiraya had already trained Minato before Minato married Kushina and before Minato became hokage. As at the 3 great war time, Minato was already a sensei (of Kakashi, Obito and Rin), thereby suggesting that he had already finished his preliminary trainings with Jiraya at a younger age (because he was considered an excellent student, who only appear once in a life time and started under Jiraya's wings from his youth, I think even before he was 12).
As for Madara giving Nagato his eyes, that happened just after d war, by then he had already rescued Obito during the war hence Obito was with him and knew about it. It was also possible to give Nagato the eyes because d war had just finished and the Uchihas were still around; so some might have died during the war and Madara just took their eyes or may be he go some Sharingan some other way :shrug:
But what bothers me is that when Itachi went to meet Madara for help to murder d Uchihas, it was actually Obito that he met up with and not Madara, therefore Obito had long hair like Madara at some point because it couldnt have been Madara himself since he was very old when he saved Obito.
HiddenWarrior
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You are mixing the 2nd shinobi war with the 3rd, but I understand this because in the anime it was incorrectly stated.
The sannin fought in the 2nd war and Jiraiya trained Nagato at some point of it.
There's no way Obito was with Madara and knew that the transplant is true because it would have happened long time ago and he didn't even knew Madara back then.
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serpiente clan
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this is the real sht,.....
nagato was born we rinnegan went he kill the ninja ho kill hes parent that was the day the rinnegan unlock there power......
meatsworth1
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no obito said he planted the eyes into nagato so it was obito that planted maderas eyes in nagato so that pretty much throws this post out the window
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