Nagato is easily > Itachi

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itachi would win. read all the comments and you'll know






















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[~MC117~]

nagato is stronger yes.
but there not wrestling anyone who says nagato is better even tho he clearly lost with ease is just in denial.
itachi has never been defeated and has faced the most dangerous characters in the manga without breaking a sweat.

stop being rediculous

Fail, I agree with the part that says that he has never been defeated but the other part failed.

 

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The uchiha clan was known for there great chakra reserves what are you talking about.

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Even the Kyuubi Acknowledged that he even stated the chakra & power was more sinister then his own.

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The uchiha ancestor has passed down the sages large chakra reserves.

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Itachi only has bad stamina and that was do to his sickness but he always got the job done didn't he??? He doesn't waste a move so far as we seen him.

Really whats elements going to do against itachi
(lightning)
1. Kirin one of the most powerful lightning attack couldn't even break threw the ribs of susanoo and lightning attacks have more peneration then wind.

(wind)
2. I highly doubt wind can even break threw plus he has fire to counter

(water)
3. Itachi has water element also copy with his sharingan

(fire)
4. Amaterasu is the most powerful fire attack

(earth)
5. Now earth would be a problem that's about it

He already took his summons down with ease really to bring that up :rofl: runnning out on defenses huh xd

Nuke scale Shinra Tensei wouldn't break threw his susanoo if a power lightning kirin couldn't even crack his susanoo ribs i doubt that a strong scale Shinra Tensei would.

Chibaku Tensei lets see it stand against a powered Yasaka Magatama

Yes they were known for chakra reserves but now compare Itachi's chakra with Nagato's chakra, I believe its obvious who has more and plenty of stamina. U_U

The whole point of me stating the elemental attacks is due to Itachi having to counter them if Nagato uses different ones each time. Even if Itachi uses Yata Mirror you have to seriously ask the question how long can Itachi hold it up? I dont think I need you to remind you the costs of using Susano.

You fail to take into consideration of the fact that using Amaterasu strains Itachi's eyes, healthy or not its an MS technique which makes the user blind on heavy reliance as well as quickly depleting his chakra reserves. Again you didnt take consideration of me saying "multiple summonings the ones that rampaged Konoha" Does Itachi have to enough Amaterasu all of them? Bearing in mind Nagato can attack anytime.

Cant believe you just literally compared a nuke scale Shinra Tensei to a Kirin that didnt even fully destroy an entire mountain :sy:

And I'm not even gonna bother with your last deluded statement, I think that says it all to be honest. :rofl: :sy:


I'll say it again like I have been saying in previous comments Itachi's only chance of winning is if he catches Nagato with his Tsukuyomi. Then just maybe U_U

 

[itachii]

Fellow itachi fans lets stop this.
Nagato is the favourite to win, but he isnt guaranteed a victory thats for sure.
Itachi has his chances, but the odds are against him.

Im sure we dont want to carry the same rep as minato/sasuke fans :sy:

This^

 

[kun113]

Well Nagato is stronger but not very smart, a simple gross, he got pd by hanzou...i go with itachi!!

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[Universal Enlightenment]

if he could, he would have used it when he said to use your strongest attack

him being sucked out of susano'o is only important if he is attacked outside of susano'o, him just being sucked out is not what is important

Madara uses the 3 chained just like itachi in a incomplete susanoo come on bro hanging by a string

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Even naruto is able to chain his rasengan attacks with the Riduko cloak so you tell me itachi can't add a couple of more rings to his ???

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Yes they were known for chakra reserves but now compare Itachi's chakra with Nagato's chakra, I believe its obvious who has more and plenty of stamina. U_U

The whole point of me stating the elemental attacks is due to Itachi having to counter them if Nagato uses different ones each time. Even if Itachi uses Yata Mirror you have to seriously ask the question how long can Itachi hold it up? I dont think I need you to remind you the costs of using Susano.

You fail to take into consideration of the fact that using Amaterasu strains Itachi's eyes, healthy or not its an MS technique which makes the user blind on heavy reliance as well as quickly depleting his chakra reserves. Again you didnt take consideration of me saying "multiple summonings the ones that rampaged Konoha" Does Itachi have to enough Amaterasu all of them? Bearing in mind Nagato can attack anytime.

Cant believe you just literally compared a nuke scale Shinra Tensei to a Kirin that didnt even fully destroy an entire mountain :sy:

And I'm not even gonna bother with your last deluded statement, I think that says it all to be honest. :rofl: :sy:


I'll say it again like I have been saying in previous comments Itachi's only chance of winning is if he catches Nagato with his Tsukuyomi. Then just maybe U_U

When Pein attacked the leaf village his summoning dog was ripping everything thing apart from jounin,Anbu, & Toad summoning no one was able to stop it but Itachi was able to with a simple Amaterasu. Itachi's fight with sasuke wasn't he sick and dieing at the time and look towards the large scale of flames he was able to pull out even after casting a weak Tsukuyomi & Genjutsu and using two crow clones before that plus a genjutsu on naruto. he took out 4 summons with no sweat seriously bro :rofl: i'm bringing up more states then you have back up yo info bro cuse shit ain't looking to well for you xd

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All because someone has a larger chakra reserve or stamina pool doesn't make them the winner greatest example Naruto Vs Kurama. Kakashi already stated that naruto had a larger charka then him since the beggning 7x more but he didn't admit to naruto begginning stronger since the 1st rasen-shuriken

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Those are the limits of a sick Itachi, those are the things he used and did before dieing:

1 x He got a blade into his leg
? x Normal illusions and standart Katon techniques
1 x Tsukuyomi, which uses up much Chakra
1 x Tsukuyomi got broken, which took quite a toll on Itachi
5 x Amaterasu, two of them being considerable long versions
1 x Extinguishing Amaterasu, which is pretty damaging to the eye as well
1 x Susanoo, which tanked Kirin, fought Yamata no Orochi and was active for about five minutes
1 x Tensha Fuin: Amaterasu, the technique to seal Amaterasu, which can't have been easy

You can be assured that I always consider those circumstances, dear.

Since you didn't refer to Totsuka no Tsurugi and its range I assume that you got my points.
As for 'sensing' Amaterasu, my point changes a whole lot indeed.

1. He can merely sense its 'activation', like Zetsu
2. He can't sense when it'll come
3. He can't sense where it'll appear

Well, how could Itachi counter those attacks? First of all you need to be aware that Nagato can't use them at once, and that some of those moves might lead to his defeat.

• Nagato/Pain never summons all of his creatures at once. Not even while fighting Naruto and a bunch of boss toads (may destroying Konoha be an exception). Doing so would be pointless, since they can't attack Itachi at once - they'd stand in each other in the way. If there are at most two or three summoning attacking Itachi he can deal with them pretty easily. Katon techniques (to stop the dog Amaterasu or Totsuka would be necessary), Kunai, Bunshin. The latter could also be used to distract or evade the creatures and attack Nagato himself. On top of that you have to consider Nagato can't afford using large scale attacks while his beasts are fighting Itachi - that wouldn't kill him, but most likely them.

• You're not really asking that, do you? That almost cheap Bansho Tennin + Rock trick can easily be blocked with Susanoo's ribcage and at most one arm of it.

• Elements can be either dodged or blocked. Itachi could even copy them. This can't be said in detail though, since we don't know what kinds of elemental attacks Nagato could use.

• Cho Shinra Tensei definitely won't kill Itachi. Since even some bugs were enough protection and the likes of Kiba and Tsunade's Anbu even survived it without any protection, Susanoo will definitely guide enough protection. If Nagato makes the mistake of using it, the interval will be his certain defeat. Without his Deva abilities he's only half as strong and definitely inferior to Itachi.

• If or how he'll destroy Chibaku Tensei is debatable, yet I see two ways - Amaterasu and Yasaka no Magatama. The latter can achieve much better results if it's used immediately without having that chit-chat with Naruto and Bee, since it'll hit Chibaku Tensei in a much smaller state; Amaterasu can burn the core if it's cast early enough. I may go into detail, if you wish for it. Anyway, if its destruction is succesful, there's a huge opening for Itachi - the rocks crumbling down. Naruto already used them to hide transformed Kage Bunshin, Itachi already used the dust to stab him with Totsuka no Tsurugi.

Now, in return, I could ask you what Nagato can or cannot do about certain moves and strategies, but starting a huge debate wasn't what I aimed for this time. Let's stick to the part I wrote above for the moment.

What the? I wasn't refering to you lol, was aimed for Excite. Didnt know you were debating with me but I'll reply to your points.

I'm already a step ahead of you as I have explained it to Excite previously that Nagato being able to sense an incoming Amaterasu would just merely notify Nagato to counter Itachi. Nagato doesnt need to sense when its gonna come or where as him being able to sense it is already more than enough to give Nagato a heads up. Small scale Shinra Tensei and yes even Preta Path.

- Nagato's summoning doesnt entirely need to attack Itachi as they could merely just be a distraction or to wear Itachi down, the longer the battle lingers on the lower the chance of Itachi winning. Especially when he only has MS. Even if Itachi is healthy it doesnt change the fact that his eyes are only MS, which takes a toll on the users eyes and body when using its techniques.

- Dont underestimate Banshou Tenin, it can easily pull Itachi out of Susano leaving him even more vulnerable.

- Dont bring the storyline into these debates as its shielded by plot-no jutsu. Also the majority of the people were covered with Tsunade's slugs. Susano may offer Itachi protection but it doesnt stop the fact that Susano will likely get blown away by a nuke scale Shinra Tensei. How long can Itachi hold up Susano for protection? Again healthy or not Itachi still is using a MS technique.

- Your last point is pure speculation, Itachi requiring help to destroy CT says it all. But for your sake Itachi does use Amaterasu on CT sphere but he finds himself on the air and still requires to use Yasaka no Magatama because Amaterasu wasnt enough. It doesnt change the fact that he is left vulnerable in the air.

Go ahead ask me what Nagato can or cannot do about certain moves and strategies because I'm sure I have countered them all in the past. Itachi's only chance of winning is he if catches Nagato with his Tsukuyomi U_U .

As for now I'm going to bed