Nagato is easily > Itachi

[Narubro]

The humans eye is very sensitive as we all know. I wonder what would happen if Itachi aimed with his Amaterasu directly on Nagatos face. I give him 1-2 seconds and his Rinnegan is burned out. Logical or impossible? Itachi can also aim any of Nagatos body part to cause high damage. It does not matter whether Nagato can repel Amaterasu, Amaterasu hits him anyway and cause damage. Close battle is Nagatos death. Not only Itachi has excellent Taijutsu skills, Susanoos activation is lightning fast and can crushs him in close combat immediately. Thanks to Totsukas sword even absorbing becomes impossible. And let's not forget the Genjutsus Itachi can cast at any time of the battle, for example already in the beginning of the battle.

Itachi wins this imo although with high difficult. Not only Itachi is a very smart and talented guy, his abilities varies more because he can use excellent Nin- Tai- and Genjutsu, is fast and makes good use of weapons.

With his Ninjutsu spam Nagato won't win against Itachi.

Nagato isn't a sitting duck against genjutsu....

No use in mentioning Itachi's taijustu skills seeing as how Itachi will be repelled if he tries to get close to him

Nagato knows of Tsukuyomi and will not look into his eyes

Amaterasu hits him and causes damage yes, but only reason Nagato was in Amaterasu so long was so Kishi could let Itachi could explain the Komoakatsumi, otherwise known as plot-no-jutsu


Susano'o will not crush him lightning fast seeing as how it didn't in the manga...

 

[NOemotions]

heoheao.. everybody knows that nagato would destroy itachi 1v1.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

:rofl: now you can't even back track what you said :rofl:

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Yeah what part of "with or without" dont you get? I meant that Nagato still has that option to use, like I said Nagato's summons isnt my focus as I know that Itachi can sort that out.

LOL that doesnt change the fact that Nagato can still sense an Amaterasu coming :sy: . In fact the more Itachi delays an Amaterasu attack the more it benefits for Nagato to counter.

Now its my turn to ask you how Itachi would counter these possible attacks from Nagato. U_U

- Multiple summons present, like the ones that rampaged througout Konoha
- Banshou Tenin with meteor

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- All Elemental attacks from Nagato
- Nuke scale Shinra Tensei
- Chibaku Tensei

Please elaborate how Itachi would counter these bearing in mind how MS takes it toll on the user, also bearing in mind that Itachi hasn't got the greatest Chakra Stamina.

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The uchiha clan was known for there great chakra reserves what are you talking about.

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Even the Kyuubi Acknowledged that he even stated the chakra & power was more sinister then his own.

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The uchiha ancestor has passed down the sages large chakra reserves.

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Itachi only has bad stamina and that was do to his sickness but he always got the job done didn't he??? He doesn't waste a move so far as we seen him.

Really whats elements going to do against itachi
(lightning)
1. Kirin one of the most powerful lightning attack couldn't even break threw the ribs of susanoo and lightning attacks have more peneration then wind.

(wind)
2. I highly doubt wind can even break threw plus he has fire to counter

(water)
3. Itachi has water element also copy with his sharingan

(fire)
4. Amaterasu is the most powerful fire attack

(earth)
5. Now earth would be a problem that's about it

He already took his summons down with ease really to bring that up :rofl: runnning out on defenses huh xd

Nuke scale Shinra Tensei wouldn't break threw his susanoo if a power lightning kirin couldn't even crack his susanoo ribs i doubt that a strong scale Shinra Tensei would.

Chibaku Tensei lets see it stand against a powered Yasaka Magatama

 

[Narubro]

The uchiha clan was known for there great chakra reserves what are you talking about.

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Even the Kyuubi Acknowledged that he even stated the chakra & power was more sinister then his own.

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The uchiha ancestor has passed down the sages large chakra reserves.

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Itachi only has bad stamina and that was do to his sickness but he always got the job done didn't he??? He doesn't waste a move so far as we seen him.

Really whats elements going to do against itachi
(lightning)
1. Kirin one of the most powerful lightning attack couldn't even break threw the ribs of susanoo and lightning attacks have more peneration then wind.

(wind)
2. I highly doubt wind can even break threw plus he has fire to counter

(water)
3. Itachi has water element also copy with his sharingan

(fire)
4. Amaterasu is the most powerful fire attack

(earth)
5. Now earth would be a problem that's about it

He already took his summons down with ease really to bring that up :rofl: runnning out on defenses huh xd

Nuke scale Shinra Tensei wouldn't break threw his susanoo if a power lightning kirin couldn't even crack his susanoo ribs i doubt that a strong scale Shinra Tensei would.

Chibaku Tensei lets see it stand against a powered Yasaka Magatama

CT would stand against Yasaka Magatama, unless you are saying a "powered" Yasaka magatama is just as strong as a yasaka magatama, a rasen shuriken, and a Tailed Beast Bomb from the Eight Tails

Nagato could could just rip Itachi out of Susano'o with Shinra Tensei, just as Madara was out of his EMS susano'o

 

[Narubro]

Listen to yourself ridiculous. It's the humans nature to look into his opponents eyes. Avoiding eye contact would make it just harder for Nagato to fight Itachi. Besides, not all of Itachis Genjutsus need eye contact.

oh yeah, the "plot no Jutsu", also known as Fanboy talk. The difference of those who assume that Itachi wins and those who claim that Nagato could is that, that Itachi"fans" are able to use logic, during Nagato"fans" are just talking trash.

How would it make it harder? Just look at his body and not directly into his eyes and ALMIGHTY PUSH his @$$

I know not all of his do, but the only genjutsu that would be a major problem for Nagato would be the Tsukuyomi. All others Nagato won't be killed by.

Once again an "itachi fan" has to belittle someone who doesn't have the same view point by generalizing people who don't have their opinion as someone who talks trash. Which i am not even doing

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

CT would stand against Yasaka Magatama, unless you are saying a "powered" Yasaka magatama is just as strong as a yasaka magatama, a rasen shuriken, and a Tailed Beast Bomb from the Eight Tails

Nagato could could just rip Itachi out of Susano'o with Shinra Tensei, just as Madara was out of his EMS susano'o

There's different levels of Yasaka Magatama itachi wasdn't going full power

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Come on Ct couldn't even snatch him out on the first sateg susanoo

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[Narubro]

There's different levels of Yasaka Magatama itachi wasdn't going full power

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Come on Ct couldn't even snatch him out on the first sateg susanoo

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We don't know if Itachi is capable of that kind of Yasaka Magatama, seeing as how it was freaking Madara Uchiha who used the really long one

I am saying Divine Attractor would, not CT

 

[Narubro]

It's just the same thing - Susanoo forms these things in its hands and and combines them with a power line.

It isn't the same thing, there are much more tomoe, therefore a much more powerful attack that Itachi wasn't capable of doing because he said throw your most powerful attack then he threw the pitiful three tomoe yasaka.

saying its the same thing is like saying a normal rasengan is the same thing as a rasenshuriken.

 

[Dantee]

There are some really hardcore Itachi fanboys. Using any excuse to make Itachi win and giving him abilities he doesn't even have. Real sad guys real sad.

 

[FloriGlori]

LOL that doesnt change the fact that Nagato can still sense an Amaterasu coming :sy: . In fact the more Itachi delays an Amaterasu attack the more it benefits for Nagato to counter.

Now its my turn to ask you how Itachi would counter these possible attacks from Nagato. U_U

- Multiple summons present, like the ones that rampaged througout Konoha
- Banshou Tenin with meteor

Spoiler

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- All Elemental attacks from Nagato
- Nuke scale Shinra Tensei
- Chibaku Tensei

Please elaborate how Itachi would counter these bearing in mind how MS takes it toll on the user, also bearing in mind that Itachi hasn't got the greatest Chakra Stamina.

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Those are the limits of a sick Itachi, those are the things he used and did before dieing:

1 x He got a blade into his leg
? x Normal illusions and standart Katon techniques
1 x Tsukuyomi, which uses up much Chakra
1 x Tsukuyomi got broken, which took quite a toll on Itachi
5 x Amaterasu, two of them being considerable long versions
1 x Extinguishing Amaterasu, which is pretty damaging to the eye as well
1 x Susanoo, which tanked Kirin, fought Yamata no Orochi and was active for about five minutes
1 x Tensha Fuin: Amaterasu, the technique to seal Amaterasu, which can't have been easy

You can be assured that I always consider those circumstances, dear.

Since you didn't refer to Totsuka no Tsurugi and its range I assume that you got my points.
As for 'sensing' Amaterasu, my point changes a whole lot indeed.

1. He can merely sense its 'activation', like Zetsu
2. He can't sense when it'll come
3. He can't sense where it'll appear

Well, how could Itachi counter those attacks? First of all you need to be aware that Nagato can't use them at once, and that some of those moves might lead to his defeat.

• Nagato/Pain never summons all of his creatures at once. Not even while fighting Naruto and a bunch of boss toads (may destroying Konoha be an exception). Doing so would be pointless, since they can't attack Itachi at once - they'd stand in each other in the way. If there are at most two or three summoning attacking Itachi he can deal with them pretty easily. Katon techniques (to stop the dog Amaterasu or Totsuka would be necessary), Kunai, Bunshin. The latter could also be used to distract or evade the creatures and attack Nagato himself. On top of that you have to consider Nagato can't afford using large scale attacks while his beasts are fighting Itachi - that wouldn't kill him, but most likely them.

• You're not really asking that, do you? That almost cheap Bansho Tennin + Rock trick can easily be blocked with Susanoo's ribcage and at most one arm of it.

• Elements can be either dodged or blocked. Itachi could even copy them. This can't be said in detail though, since we don't know what kinds of elemental attacks Nagato could use.

• Cho Shinra Tensei definitely won't kill Itachi. Since even some bugs were enough protection and the likes of Kiba and Tsunade's Anbu even survived it without any protection, Susanoo will definitely guide enough protection. If Nagato makes the mistake of using it, the interval will be his certain defeat. Without his Deva abilities he's only half as strong and definitely inferior to Itachi.

• If or how he'll destroy Chibaku Tensei is debatable, yet I see two ways - Amaterasu and Yasaka no Magatama. The latter can achieve much better results if it's used immediately without having that chit-chat with Naruto and Bee, since it'll hit Chibaku Tensei in a much smaller state; Amaterasu can burn the core if it's cast early enough. I may go into detail, if you wish for it. Anyway, if its destruction is succesful, there's a huge opening for Itachi - the rocks crumbling down. Naruto already used them to hide transformed Kage Bunshin, Itachi already used the dust to stab him with Totsuka no Tsurugi.

Now, in return, I could ask you what Nagato can or cannot do about certain moves and strategies, but starting a huge debate wasn't what I aimed for this time. Let's stick to the part I wrote above for the moment.

 

[Narubro]

1 x Getting a blade into his leg
? x Normal illusions and standart Katon techniques
1 x Tsukuyomi, which uses up much Chakra
1 x Tsukuyomi got broken, which took quite a toll on Itachi
5 x Amaterasu, two of them being considerable long versions
1 x Extinguishing Amaterasu, which is pretty damaging to the eye as well
1 x Susanoo which tanked Kirin, fought Yamata no Orochi and was active for about five minutes
1 x Tensha Fuin: Amaterasu, the technique to seal Amaterasu, which can't have been easy

You can be assured that I always consider those circumstances, dear.

Since you didn't refer to Totsuka no Tsurugi and its range I assume that you got my points.
As for 'sensing' Amaterasu, my point changes a whole lot indeed.

1. He can merely sense its 'activation', like Zetsu
2. He can't sense when it'll come
3. He can't sense where it'll appear

Well, how could Itachi counter those attacks? First of all you need to be aware that Nagato can't use them at once, and that some of those moves might lead to his defeat.

• Nagato/Pain never summons all of his creatures at once. Not even while fighting Naruto and a bunch of boss toads (may destroying Konoha be an exception). Doing so would be pointless, since they can't attack Itachi at once - they'd stand in each other in the way. If there are at most two or three summoning attacking Itachi he can deal with them pretty easily. Katon techniques (to stop the dog Amaterasu or Totsuka would be necessary), Kunai, Bunshin. The latter could also be used to distract or evade the creatures and attack Nagato himself. On top of that you have to consider Nagato can't afford using large scale attacks while his beasts are fighting Itachi - that wouldn't kill him, but most likely them.

• You're not really asking that, do you? That almost cheap Bansho Tennin + Rock trick can easily be blocked with Susanoo's ribcage and at most one arm of it.

• Elements can be either dodged or blocked. Itachi could even copy them. This can't be said in detail though, since we don't know what kinds of elemental attacks Nagato could use.

• Cho Shinra Tensei definitely won't kill Itachi. Since even some bugs were enough protection and the likes of Kiba and Tsunade's Anbu survived it without any protection, Susanoo will definitely guide enough protection. If Nagato makes the mistake of using it, the interval will be his certain defeat. Without his Deva abilities he's only half as strong and definitely inferior to Itachi.

• If or how he'll destroy Chibaku Tensei is debatable, yet I see two ways - Amaterasu and Yasaka no Magatama. The latter can achieve much better results if its used immediately without having that chit-chat with Naruto and Bee, since it'll hit Chibaku Tensei in a much smaller state; Amaterasu can burn the core if it's cast early enough. I may go into detail, if you wish for it. Anyway, if its destruction is succesful, there's a huge opening for Itachi - the rocks crumbling down. Naruto used them to hide transformed Kage Bunshin, Itachi used the dust to stab him with Totsuka no Tsurugi.

Now, in return, I could ask you what Nagato can or cannot do about certain moves and strategies, but starting a huge debate wasn't what I aimed for this time. Let's stick to the part I wrote above for the moment.

nagato cant use multiple paths at once?

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and just before that he used a path to absorb narutos rasenshuriken while using another path

don't use paths of pain as a reference to the lethality of Nagato's abilities, because Nagato's abilities are on a whole notha level to the six paths of pains techniques

 

[Narubro]

The same can be said about Itachi, whose disease has weakened him very much.

Edo Itachi has no weakness, because he does not have the disease.

therefore we can measure exactly what itachi can do based on edo itachi's actions

 

[FloriGlori]

nagato cant use multiple paths at once?

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and just before that he used a path to absorb narutos rasenshuriken while using another path

don't use paths of pain as a reference to the lethality of Nagato's abilities, because Nagato's abilities are on a whole notha level to the six paths of pains techniques

..and you think I'm not aware of that? What I meant was that he can't use the listed things at once. Or can you see him using Cho Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei and elemental techniques while he's using Bansho Tennin with both hands? I don't think so. Never mind that Nagato absorbed a Rasengan, not a Rasen Shuriken.

I'll ignore further unqualified posts like that one, so answer with some brains or don't answer.

 

[Narubro]

..and you think I'm not aware of that? What I meant was that he can't use the listed things at once. Or can you see him using Cho Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei and elemental techniques while he's using Bansho Tennin with both hands? I don't think so. Never mind that Nagato absorbed a Rasengan, not a Rasen Shuriken. Further unqualified posts like that will be ignored, so answer with some brains or don't answer.

he can use them between a period of five seconds, and those attacks are so powerful it would be hard to recover between them in that time period

and it really doesn't matter what naruto used...

yeah for example save Naruto and Bee and seal Nagato away :>. FloriGlori has said everything there was to say.

didn't say it was a bad thing, but you really cant bring up the disease thing because we know what a healthy Itachi is capable of

 

[Narutopedia]

Itach would win. end of the line.

Nagato is to vounreble to genjutsu.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

We don't know if Itachi is capable of that kind of Yasaka Magatama, seeing as how it was freaking Madara Uchiha who used the really long one

I am saying Divine Attractor would, not CT

If you checked the first one i posted it was the madara 3 ringed one like the one itachi did but after everything we seen from itachi so far you don't honestly think he can ???

Getting sucked out of susanoo wouldn't make a difference he can still attack with it even being outside of it take a look

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[bowals]

Listen to yourself ridiculous. It's the humans nature to look into his opponents eyes. Avoiding eye contact would make it just harder for Nagato to fight Itachi. Besides, not all of Itachis Genjutsus need eye contact.

oh yeah, the "plot no Jutsu", also known as Fanboy talk. The difference of those who assume that Itachi wins and those who claim that Nagato could is that, that Itachi"fans" are able to use logic, during Nagato"fans" are just talking trash.

I strongly suggest u re-read this thread again, like start from the very beginning

 

[Narutopedia]

..and you think I'm not aware of that? What I meant was that he can't use the listed things at once. Or can you see him using Cho Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei and elemental techniques while he's using Bansho Tennin with both hands? I don't think so. Never mind that Nagato absorbed a Rasengan, not a Rasen Shuriken.

I'll ignore further unqualified posts like that one, so answer with some brains or don't answer.

 

[Narubro]

If you checked the first one i posted it was the madara 3 ringed one like the one itachi did but after everything we seen from itachi so far you don't honestly think he can ???

Getting sucked out of susanoo wouldn't make a difference he can still attack with it even being outside of it take a look

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if he could, he would have used it when he said to use your strongest attack

him being sucked out of susano'o is only important if he is attacked outside of susano'o, him just being sucked out is not what is important

 

[Darksharinnegan]

nagato is stronger yes.
but there not wrestling anyone who says nagato is better even tho he clearly lost with ease is just in denial.
itachi has never been defeated and has faced the most dangerous characters in the manga without breaking a sweat.

stop being rediculous