Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Tobi hypes up Nagato, it's a lie. Tobi says anything about Hashirama, it's legit. Kabuto lied to Tobi about ending Edo Tensei, hypes up Hashirama, no-one doubts a thing.

I'm laughing at how you're resorting to picking and choosing hype.

I quoted kabuto not Tobi, and I was using his logic against him.Nagato, Madara and Hashi are amazing period but Kishi made it clear from what I thought who was the more hyped.

 

[Owarij]

Killing Fodder in villages and killing Tobi,Hashi,Madara,naruto are 2 very different things.Also he never took out any of the stongest villages(he did destroy the leaf but ultimately it took his life) The Leaf,Lightning,Earth,Water or Gaara's village were fine. Beating thier tailed beast and destroying there village isn't the same.

Nagato has unique abilities that allowed him to destroy things in a wide range but being too ambitious can be a weakness also look at hitler....

What?
Killing the village cost him his life?
Are you crazy?
He destroyed the village and nothing what so ever happened to him...
He lost his life because he revived all the people he killed..

I quoted kabuto not Tobi, and I was using his logic against him.Nagato, Madara and Hashi are amazing period but Kishi made it clear from what I thought who was the more hyped.

The only reason they "seem' more hyped is because Nagato was hidden all his life.. Literally noone knew about him, not even his vilagers..
WTF do you expect?

Third sage of six paths stil > any hype that any of them got

And as for abilities
>>>>> any thing they have shown

 

[Ryuu..]

QUOTE Ryuu..
Re: Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara
Tobi hypes up Nagato, it's a lie. Tobi says anything about Hashirama, it's legit. Kabuto lied to Tobi about ending Edo Tensei, hypes up Hashirama, no-one doubts a thing.

I'm laughing at how you're resorting to picking and choosing hype.
Today 05:23 PM



Again, all I say to you is LOL, LOL AND LOL.
Edo Madara has confirmed many things about Hashi.... He hasnt confirm anythn abt little NAGATO.

And I said Tobi has told many lies.

Hmm, Madara has said nothing of So6P. Guess Hashirama > him too

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So you're guessing that Tobi lied, despite there being a clear reason for why he said it? lol, I can't argue with that

I quoted kabuto not Tobi, and I was using his logic against him.Nagato, Madara and Hashi are amazing period but Kishi made it clear from what I thought who was the more hyped.

So being called the 3rd Sage of 6 Paths < a Myth like the Sage of 6 Paths to you?

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

QUOTE Ryuu..
Re: Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara
Tobi hypes up Nagato, it's a lie. Tobi says anything about Hashirama, it's legit. Kabuto lied to Tobi about ending Edo Tensei, hypes up Hashirama, no-one doubts a thing.

I'm laughing at how you're resorting to picking and choosing hype.
Today 05:23 PM



Again, all I say to you is LOL, LOL AND LOL.
Edo Madara has confirmed many things about Hashi.... He hasnt confirm anythn abt little NAGATO.

And I said Tobi has told many lies.

Right

Add a little hype from Tobi and Kabuto as well and I guess Hashi wins this one..

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

What?
Killing the village cost him his life?
Are you crazy?
He destroyed the village and nothing what so ever happened to him...
He lost his life because he revived all the people he killed..

The only reason they "seem' more hyped is because Nagato was hidden all his life.. Literally noone knew about him, not even his vilagers..
WTF do you expect?

Third sage of six paths stil > any hype that any of them got

And as for abilities
>>>>> any thing they have shown

He was dead one way or the other so yes cost him his life.

The reason the seemed more hyped was because they had more feats. Madara and Hashi could have destroyed villages if they wanted that was not thier intent. hashi tried to help other villages and Madara wanted to control the hidden leaf.

His abilities were great butit was his weakness that willlead to his defeat. it was never stated that Hashi or Maara had a weakness..Mayabe Hashi's was caring about others and Madara's was Not letting go!!

 

[Capn FlapJak]

What?
Killing the village cost him his life?
Are you crazy?
He destroyed the village and nothing what so ever happened to him...
He lost his life because he revived all the people he killed..

and inbetween had naruto and 9 tails i just wanna add cause i hate the naruto beat pain argument the whole of the leaf village beat the pains and then nagato the real threat killed himself.That ST that nuked the village cut deva path powers the other paths had to cover him.Cause the second deva was back up paths stoped diein so quick add the info naruto had its pretty plot jutsu crazy :/

 

[Owarij]

He was dead one way or the other so yes cost him his life.

The reason the seemed more hyped was because they had more feats. Madara and Hashi could have destroyed villages if they wanted that was not thier intent. hashi tried to help other villages and Madara wanted to control the hidden leaf.

His abilities were great butit was his weakness that willlead to his defeat. it was never stated that Hashi or Maara had a weakness..Mayabe Hashi's was caring about others and Madara's was Not letting go!!

If hashirama and madara have no weakness

WHY can't you beat me in a debate of their powers?


Hashirama could destroy vilalges on his own../sigh

Shocking a man of that calibre died in a war , against mostly a fraction of a village's strength

 

[Tosen]

Just because Hashirama and Madara were more famous then Nagato and regarded has legends doesn't mean that they were stronger. Nagato for the most part worked in the shadows and managed to kill Hanzo and a Sannin. You saw what happened when Nagato decided to step out of the shadows for once ... Booooooooom went Konoha and his name is now known throughout thes hinobi world has a rinnegan bearer and the man who solod konoha.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

and inbetween had naruto and 9 tails i just wanna add cause i hate the naruto beat pain argument the whole of the leaf village beat the pains and then nagato the real threat killed himself.That ST that nuked the village cut deva path powers the other paths had to cover him.Cause the second deva was back up paths stoped diein so quick add the info naruto had its pretty plot jutsu crazy :/

Plot jutsu or not he died. Naruto pushed him to his limitsone way or the other. I could easily say if the other shinobi in thevillage would have made it to Nagato before Naruto they could and would have killed Nagato ......But I don't I take what kishi gives me. Oh yeah the Plot no jutsu

 

[Hashirama Senju 48]

I think hashi and madara were very very close decendants of the sage

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Just because Hashirama and Madara we more famous then Nagato and regarded has legends doesn't mean that they were stronger. Nagato for the most part worked in the shadows and managed to kill Hanzo and a Sannin. You saw what happened when Nagato decided to step out of the shadows for once ... Booooooooom went Konoha and his name is now known throughout thes hinobi world has a rinnegan bearer and the man who solod konoha.

First define stronger!? Hashi created a Village and Nagato destroyed one dosn't really have to do with being stronger , that has to do with your abilities. Also being stronger dosn't always win battles. I would say Tobi was stronger than Minato but he still lost 1 on 1. I love sports and the stronger man dosn't always win so what does that really matter.....What matters in weaknneses and how they can b exploited in battle.This is called tactics. skikimaru was weaker than Hidan but he won the battle right?

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Just because Hashirama and Madara were more famous then Nagato and regarded has legends doesn't mean that they were stronger. Nagato for the most part worked in the shadows and managed to kill Hanzo and a Sannin. You saw what happened when Nagato decided to step out of the shadows for once ... Booooooooom went Konoha and his name is now known throughout thes hinobi world has a rinnegan bearer and the man who solod konoha.

the 1 regarded as the best and home to 9 tails the other villages stood no chance IMO givein the 9tails is the strongest and all other villages lack the 5th hokage best healin slug/women out there so in nagatos life he could have nuked any village or all over a week or something lol maybe i do kno the leaf got its pain

 

[Scryed]

Actually, I think Hashirama might actually defeat Nagato via having wood clones to make up for having to face Nagato's summons though the cerberus might be the summon he would have to focus on the most.

Perhaps Gedo Mazou as well but it depends if he could have it operate with the Tailed Beast chakra since other people say that he can't so i'm unsure about whether he could use it that way or not. If he manages to surpress Gedo's chakra then it won't play a big factor unless other summons or Nagato himself interrupts the process.

Outnumbering Nagato and making sure he would also have to focus on his wood clones just like he would have to focus on the summons could bring him victory. Especially if he's capable of making 25 wood clones or more of himself.

Against EMS Madara, I think Nagato would come out ontop just berly. Madara's Susanoo alone was capable of swinging its sword and slicing mountains in half. Normally, I would say that either way, it would be absorbed by Preta Path since it's pure chakra. While it's being absorbed by Preta Path, it could always try to stab Nagato but if the sword is part of the Susanoo, it would still be absorbed in the process.

Ofcourse, Madara won't just sit around watching his Susanoo get absorbed and feeding Nagato his chakra so he would have to react to interrupt the process. Madara would have to becareful with the summons that will try to overwhelm him while Nagato uses Deva Path to keep Madara out of Susanoo or attract Madara towards him in an attempt to use Human Path while he's at it.

All of his paths concentrated on one Madara while his Susanoo is being absorbed by Preta Path. He could always deactivate and reactivate his Susanoo but then it might still go through the same scenario. Since his paths don't have to deal with Madara clones but rather only one Madara who would have to be focusing on Nagato and all of his summons at once.

Regardless, it won't be an easy battle for Nagato since the shockwave of the swing of Susanoo alone was what seemed to have caused that destruction. If Madara activates Susanoo at a distance away from Nagato, he could probably destroy Nagato if the shockwave of the swing hits him directly. He could always use Shinra Tensei to repel it and maybe overcome the shockwave's force coming from the Susanoo who Madara said only Bijuu can compare to.

In this battle either one could be the victor but I see Nagato having the upper hand since he would be outnumbering Madara and would be forcing Madara to keep an eye on all of the summons who would be attacking him or at the least be distracting him and diverting attention away from Nagato while Nagato pulls Madara out of Susanoo via Deva Path and attempts to overwhelm him.

 

[Owarij]

Actually, I think Hashirama might actually defeat Nagato via having wood clones to make up for having to face Nagato's summons though the cerberus might be the summon he would have to focus on the most.

Perhaps Gedo Mazou as well but it depends if he could have it operate with the Tailed Beast chakra since other people say that he can't so i'm unsure about whether he could use it that way or not. If he manages to surpress Gedo's chakra then it won't play a big factor unless other summons or Nagato himself interrupts the process.

Outnumbering Nagato and making sure he would also have to focus on his wood clones just like he would have to focus on the summons could bring him victory. Especially if he's capable of making 25 wood clones or more of himself.

Against EMS Madara, I think Nagato would come out ontop just berly. Madara's Susanoo alone was capable of swinging its sword and slicing mountains in half. Normally, I would say that either way, it would be absorbed by Preta Path since it's pure chakra. While it's being absorbed by Preta Path, it could always try to stab Nagato but if the sword is part of the Susanoo, it would still be absorbed in the process.

Ofcourse, Madara won't just sit around watching his Susanoo get absorbed and feeding Nagato his chakra so he would have to react to interrupt the process. Madara would have to becareful with the summons that will try to overwhelm him while Nagato uses Deva Path to keep Madara out of Susanoo or attract Madara towards him in an attempt to use Human Path while he's at it.

All of his paths concentrated on one Madara while his Susanoo is being absorbed by Preta Path. He could always deactivate and reactivate his Susanoo but then it might still go through the same scenario. Since his paths don't have to deal with Madara clones but rather only one Madara who would have to be focusing on Nagato and all of his summons at once.

Regardless, it won't be an easy battle for Nagato since the shockwave of the swing of Susanoo alone was what seemed to have caused that destruction. If Madara activates Susanoo at a distance away from Nagato, he could probably destroy Nagato if the shockwave of the swing hits him directly. He could always use Shinra Tensei to repel it and maybe overcome the shockwave's force coming from the Susanoo who Madara said only Bijuu can compare to.

In this battle either one could be the victor but I see Nagato having the upper hand since he would be outnumbering Madara and would be forcing Madara to keep an eye on all of the summons who would be attacking him or at the least be distracting him and diverting attention away from Nagato while Nagato pulls Madara out of Susanoo via Deva Path and attempts to overwhelm him.

You act like nagato can't make clones ? , or like he doesn't have just as much as chakra as hashirama or even more...

That nagato can shinra tensei them all away.. you've seen how futile clones are against shinra tensei for that matter..

First define stronger!? Hashi created a Village and Nagato destroyed one dosn't really have to do with being stronger , that has to do with your abilities. Also being stronger dosn't always win battles.

What kind of weird and irrelevant contrast is this? Madara created a village by getting people together etc and calling it konoha..

Nagato destroyed the village, while every ninja in the village was attacking him..

How do they even relate to each other?

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

the 1 regarded as the best and home to 9 tails the other villages stood no chance IMO givein the 9tails is the strongest and all other villages lack the 5th hokage best healin slug/women out there so in nagatos life he could have nuked any village or all over a week or something lol maybe i do kno the leaf got its pain

Yeah but you start nuking villages then you have to fight them all look Tobi..Naruto has yet to fully control the 9 tails and look at him already. But to say he was the strongest at that point wasn't true, that was Naruto in SM...A and Bee were both stronger than Naruto at that point.And I think Oonoki was also not sure about Mei. If Nagato attacked while Naruto was in BM we would have a different storyline.

 

[I SENJU I]

Your point about him having issues with the kyuubi. Unlike Hashirama Nagato doesn't have a special ability to suppress tailed beasts so he had to do it by force. He seemed confident enough to capture it with CT with deva path which is weaker than the real Nagato. He said he'll just have to make CT bigger, the reason he didn't was because the 4th Hokage made Naruto return to normal.

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How exactly does Hashirama kill Nagato? Petra and deva path stop any mokuton attack. His Genjutsu can be countered with linked vision, Nagato being a sensor, rinnengan and if you hit the user it would be cancelled, shinra tensei would be enough. Tai jutsu would be stopped with assura and human path. There will be 8 boss summons and gedo mazo on top of that.

As for Madara, ems Madara has mainly shown. Susanoo is just chakra and can be absorbed by petra path and the kyuubi can be stopped with the summons and gedo mazo.

Please don't do this first I don't care about way u said about madara. But he can't beat Hashimra cuz he is a wood style that can control those beast jus like he controlled the tailed beast with twin dragon jutsu. As for linked vision that can't stop eternal darkness cuz it affects the main user. Plus he can block all his blast with his wood sheild he used to block a tbb on madara. And he could use his lotus jutsu to shut down the other paths by paralyzeing them. Also he has numerous sealing justus cuz his wife was a uzumaki and cuz as a hokage he was giving these tech as a gift for the tailed beast. Srry but nagato will lose. Also he didn't have a special ability to surpress the beast he used the necklace his wife mito gave him which let him control them. He still had to use force to get them to hold still

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

You act like nagato can't make clones ? , or like he doesn't have just as much as chakra as hashirama or even more...

That nagato can shinra tensei them all away.. you've seen how futile clones are against shinra tensei for that matter..

He used shinra tensai on Naruto and Naruto withstood it. Hashi's clones would also be able to plant themselves deep in the arth which Naruto coudn't do.

 

[Owarij]

He used shinra tensai on Naruto and Naruto withstood it. Hashi's clones would also be able to plant themselves deep in the arth which Naruto coudn't do.

Nagato has earth jutsu...
Nagato can fly..

How is going into the earth helping him?

 

[shinobu sensui]

About nagatos problem with the nine tails, when the 8 tailed kyuubi broke out of chibaku tensai, nagato stated that he was just going to have to make a bigger one. And deva path is not nagato. With that being said nagato could beat the nine tails(maybe), madra, and shodai hokage individually, but if either of them has the nine tails on their side, nagato loses

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Plot jutsu or not he died. Naruto pushed him to his limitsone way or the other. I could easily say if the other shinobi in thevillage would have made it to Nagato before Naruto they could and would have killed Nagato ......But I don't I take what kishi gives me. Oh yeah the Plot no jutsu

come on lol >_< then itachi lost to sasuke? and we both kno naruto beats every1 with a epic rasengan in the tree if he did talk jutsu nagato. He would have ate that rasengan turned into a pretty boy kill naruto leavein the leaf unable to defend itself cause no bringin every 1 back to life.Leadin to other villages attackin cause they can tobi and pain would catch the 8tails and game over like the old toad told j man.Jman with his death saved the world 4 real IMO...lol