Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Actually, I think Hashirama might actually defeat Nagato via having wood clones to make up for having to face Nagato's summons though the cerberus might be the summon he would have to focus on the most.

Perhaps Gedo Mazou as well but it depends if he could have it operate with the Tailed Beast chakra since other people say that he can't so i'm unsure about whether he could use it that way or not. If he manages to surpress Gedo's chakra then it won't play a big factor unless other summons or Nagato himself interrupts the process.

Outnumbering Nagato and making sure he would also have to focus on his wood clones just like he would have to focus on the summons could bring him victory. Especially if he's capable of making 25 wood clones or more of himself.

Against EMS Madara, I think Nagato would come out ontop just berly. Madara's Susanoo alone was capable of swinging its sword and slicing mountains in half. Normally, I would say that either way, it would be absorbed by Preta Path since it's pure chakra. While it's being absorbed by Preta Path, it could always try to stab Nagato but if the sword is part of the Susanoo, it would still be absorbed in the process.

Ofcourse, Madara won't just sit around watching his Susanoo get absorbed and feeding Nagato his chakra so he would have to react to interrupt the process. Madara would have to becareful with the summons that will try to overwhelm him while Nagato uses Deva Path to keep Madara out of Susanoo or attract Madara towards him in an attempt to use Human Path while he's at it.

All of his paths concentrated on one Madara while his Susanoo is being absorbed by Preta Path. He could always deactivate and reactivate his Susanoo but then it might still go through the same scenario. Since his paths don't have to deal with Madara clones but rather only one Madara who would have to be focusing on Nagato and all of his summons at once.

Regardless, it won't be an easy battle for Nagato since the shockwave of the swing of Susanoo alone was what seemed to have caused that destruction. If Madara activates Susanoo at a distance away from Nagato, he could probably destroy Nagato if the shockwave of the swing hits him directly. He could always use Shinra Tensei to repel it and maybe overcome the shockwave's force coming from the Susanoo who Madara said only Bijuu can compare to.

In this battle either one could be the victor but I see Nagato having the upper hand since he would be outnumbering Madara and would be forcing Madara to keep an eye on all of the summons who would be attacking him or at the least be distracting him and diverting attention away from Nagato while Nagato pulls Madara out of Susanoo via Deva Path and attempts to overwhelm him.

Love your Logic

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

About nagatos problem with the nine tails, when the 8 tailed kyuubi broke out of chibaku tensai, nagato stated that he was just going to have to make a bigger one. And deva path is not nagato. With that being said nagato could beat the nine tails(maybe), madra, and shodai hokage individually, but if either of them has the nine tails on their side, nagato loses

Please uderstand the power of the full 9 tails unleashed and and the 9 tails partially being controlled by Naruto still is a very different thing.

 

[Shinigami Era]

Nagato is not on the level of Hashi or Madara. Still kinda crazy that people believe this.... I think again people think of Nagato as Edo Nagato and not the real Nagato in the wheelchair.

Madara
Nagato could not take on Madara/Madara andthe 9 tails. Look at the issues the fox gave him with 8 tails. Nagato himself aid he did not expect the 9 tails to be so powerful and fighting it sapped a huge portion of Nagato's chakra.These are faqs not just my opionion. Would be very interesting If you put Nagao in Hashi's place and had Madara + 9 tails fight Nagato. There would be no chance for Nagato to win.Madara did take some of Hashi's cells when he was alive so we don't know the exstint but we know that he could use mokuton.Madara did unlock the Rinnegan when he was alive also and has the same paths as Nagato+Ems abilities and from what we have seen now a perfect sasuno.There is no way Nagato to win this battle. And were not talkingabout Edo Madara or Edo Nagato. Either EMS Madara w/9tails or Madara Rinnegan/Mokuton/EMS

Hashirama
Now On to Hashi. It's very hard to compare him when we have seen so little about the man. But seeing the power of Mokuton coupled with his feats: Establishing Konoha,Capturing "Multiple" tailed beast and distributing them to various nations, Becoming the 1st Hokage by defeating Madara, and when you look up Hashirama Senju it also tells you as Hokage he came across a Scroll filled with among other skills,various Kinjutsu which he sealed to keep the techs a secret.So we really don't even know what the man s capable of and he was already amazing. This is the same man who defeated Madara and the 9 tails at the same time.Nagato had issues just fighting the fox with 6 tails.Kishi also made it very clear how powerful he was through Kabuto.

Nagato
I think some of you people need to either go back and re-read the manga because you forget that the real Nagato Used the paths because summoning the Gedo Maza left him with chakra rods embedded him his back , and fighting Honzo injured his legs crippling his mobility.Pain was in a wheelchair.....He had issues fighting SM Naruto and a 6 tailed fox.People say he could have won the fight if he wanted but forget the condition that Nagato was actually in when Naruto found him.He was almost depleated of Chakra and energy.Nagato uses his life energy for his techs which leaves him in almost dead from using his ability to many times.Nagato is amazing still but there is a common misconception that Edo Nagato was the real Nagato and thats Bs. That's Fanboys wanting to make themselves and there arguments right. We also have to remember Nagato followed Tobi before Tobi was as strong as he is today.Tobi was always the True leader of the akatsuki which he means was most likely the stronger.

Other people Nagato Can't defeat are: Naruto,Tobi,Kabuto,and Maybe Minato and EMS Sasuke
Would say Itachi if he had more chakra.

Get it straight he underestimate the 8tail beast! If he knew from the start how powerful it is, he wouldn't use much chakra to the others opponent to begain with!

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Nagato has earth jutsu...
Nagato can fly..

How is going into the earth helping him?

Helps you keep your ground. Nagato has never shown that he can use earth justsu and shinra tensai at the same time.Seems to me that petra path could only use his push/pull abilities.Isn't that why he had other paths for different abilities?Also Hashi perfected his earth jutsu as well.

 

[Owarij]

Helps you keep your ground. Nagato has never shown that he can use earth justsu and shinra tensai at the same time. Also Hashi perfected his earth jutsu as well.

Nagato MASTERED every element at the age of 10 according to Jiraya..
and he learned every jutsu Jiraya taught him with easy...

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Get it straight he underestimate the 8tail beast! If he knew from the start how powerful it is, he wouldn't use much chakra to the others opponent to begain with!

Agreed!

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Nagato MASTERED every element at the age of 10 according to Jiraya..
and he learned every jutsu Jiraya taught him with easy...

And how many of those did he use while fighting Naruto?? Or Jman? So whos to say that he would against anyone else. Again ambition and overconfidence can be your enemy. Maybe those are the jutsu's he used Before Gedo mazo but after i don't recall seeing him use any.

 

[Scryed]

You act like nagato can't make clones ? , or like he doesn't have just as much as chakra as hashirama or even more...

That nagato can shinra tensei them all away.. you've seen how futile clones are against shinra tensei for that matter..



What kind of weird and irrelevant contrast is this? Madara created a village by getting people together etc and calling it konoha..

Nagato destroyed the village, while every ninja in the village was attacking him..

How do they even relate to each other?

The problem would be the interval the Shinra Tensei would give him depending on the scale he uses it. It would also depend on how durable Hashirama's wood clones are and how effectively they're used in battle. If Nagato uses a large scale Shinra Tensei and doesn't manage to kill Hashirama with that attack, Hashirama's healing abilities would heal his wounds while Nagato's interval would come into play giving Hashirama an advantage over him.

During that interval, Hashirama might create more wood clones and it's back to square one except Nagato won't have Deva Path for as long as the interval is in play.

It's also possible for the force of the Large Scale Shinra Tensei to kill Hashirama as well. Then there's Chibaku Tensei which would also lower Hashirama's chances.

Hashirama is capable but it's still a maybe since the abilities we've seen from him so far aren't completely fit to against Nagato's except for the Wood Clones that he could use to make sure he doesn't get overwhelmed. His Mokuton to restrain some of the summons except Gedo Mazou.

Gedo Mazou would have to be supressed and if it's the same way Yamato did it to Naruto, it would lower Hashirama's chances even more.

That's why I said that Hashirama might be able to defeat him. He has better chances than Madara.

 

[Owarij]

And how many of those did he use while fighting Naruto?? Or Jman? So whos to say that he would against anyone else. Again ambition and overconfidence can be your enemy. Maybe those are the jutsu's he used Before Gedo mazo but after i don't recall seeing him use any.

Dude, stop, stop, mixing up DEVA , and nagato.. deva doesn't have nagato's abilities such as sensor skills , etc.. He has his respective rinnegan abilities etc..

 

[shinobu sensui]

Please uderstand the power of the full 9 tails unleashed and and the 9 tails partially being controlled by Naruto still is a very different thing.

I that. Now please understand that full nagato and deva path controlled by sickly nagato are two very different things as well

 

[Capn FlapJak]

And how many of those did he use while fighting Naruto?? Or Jman? So whos to say that he would against anyone else. Again ambition and overconfidence can be your enemy. Maybe those are the jutsu's he used Before Gedo mazo but after i don't recall seeing him use any.

deva could use water cause yahiko could nagato in his body any element but no kkg ice wood etc jman asked himself y too b4 he died..:l ahh j

 

[Scryed]

Helps you keep your ground. Nagato has never shown that he can use earth justsu and shinra tensai at the same time.Seems to me that petra path could only use his push/pull abilities.Isn't that why he had other paths for different abilities?Also Hashi perfected his earth jutsu as well.

Nagato mastered the 5 elements at the age of 10. Deva Path levitated over the village before using his Large Scale Shinra Tensei which led me to believe that it might not only be attraction and repulsion.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Dude, stop, stop, mixing up DEVA , and nagato.. deva doesn't have nagato's abilities such as sensor skills , etc.. He has his respective rinnegan abilities etc..[/QUOT

I don't misunderstand. But I Think you may misunderstad how strong Nagato is without Deva path and the other paths. If the case is what your saying we would not see the So6p's as himself , we would see his paths....Why do't we? Because he had full mobility and we see paths from pain because he does not. If Nagato could use his full body he would not use his paths there would be no point. He does because he in in a wheelchair and has chakra rods in his back.

 

[Owarij]

Dude, stop, stop, mixing up DEVA , and nagato.. deva doesn't have nagato's abilities such as sensor skills , etc.. He has his respective rinnegan abilities etc..[/QUOT

I don't misunderstand. But I Think you may misunderstad how strong Nagato is without Deva path and the other paths. If the case is what your saying we would not see the So6p's as himself , we would see his paths....Why do't we? Because he had full mobility and we see paths from pain because he does not. If Nagato could use his full body he would not use his paths there would be no point. He does because he in in a wheelchair and has chakra rods in his back.

Mobility isn't a problem when you can defend against any attack they send at you, without even moving.. as well as when you have shared eye vision with your 5+ summonings..

Mobility isn't a problem when you can fly...
when you can go invisible..

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Dude, stop, stop, mixing up DEVA , and nagato.. deva doesn't have nagato's abilities such as sensor skills , etc.. He has his respective rinnegan abilities etc..[/QUOT

I don't misunderstand. But I Think you may misunderstad how strong Nagato is without Deva path and the other paths. If the case is what your saying we would not see the So6p's as himself , we would see his paths....Why do't we? Because he had full mobility and we see paths from pain because he does not. If Nagato could use his full body he would not use his paths there would be no point. He does because he in in a wheelchair and has chakra rods in his back.

cause its more safe and he cant walk much but if needed he will fight like he was going to b4 naruto talked his life away.And as u saw in form of kubuto controlin nagato.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Mobility isn't a problem when you can defend against any attack they send at you, without even moving.. as well as when you have shared eye vision with your 5+ summonings..

Mobility isn't a problem when you can fly...
when you can go invisible..

Im starting to see a trend here. Have we seen Nagato fly in his wheelchair? No.
Naruto took out all his paths in SM , so to say that Hashi and Madara cant in my opinion is rediculous. His paths can die..And just to attack Nagato hurts himself as well as when he was edo and compleately powered up we Saw Itachi seal him. Hashi was great at sealing jutsu's and could use Multiple clones. there is no doubt in my mind Hashi was a great tactionist he was one of the few to create his own Jutsu and had more battle experience than Itachi.

Forget having shared vision when your fighting 25 to 50 clones. Or more. Naruto took out the paths with less clones than this..

 

[Invsblphntm]

Im starting to see a trend here. Have we seen Nagato fly in his wheelchair? No.
Naruto took out all his paths in SM , so to say that Hashi and Madara cant in my opinion is rediculous. His paths can die..And just to attack Nagato hurts himself as well as when he was edo and compleately powered up we Saw Itachi seal him. Hashi was great at sealing jutsu's and could use Multiple clones. there is no doubt in my mind Hashi was a great tactionist he was one of the few to create his own Jutsu and had more battle experience than Itachi.

Forget having shared vision when your fighting 25 to 50 clones. Or more. Naruto took out the paths with less clones than this..

Alright this wheelchair shit needs to stop. Nagato was NEVER in a wheelchair, seriously why are people saying that?

Naruto had intel (the biggest strength of the Paths), toads, and he had the Kyuubi. Deva couldn't even fight for the majority of their fight, their fight was completely unfair and shouldn't even be used as an example of skill. When Nagato was an Edo he still couldn't even walk, thats not full power at all. We've seen that the Paths, which are all Nagato's abilities, have amazing reflexes and speed, so its safe to assume that a mobile Nagato would be much better than one that needs either Paths or summonings to move around.

 

[Owarij]

Im starting to see a trend here. Have we seen Nagato fly in his wheelchair? No.
Naruto took out all his paths in SM , so to say that Hashi and Madara cant in my opinion is rediculous. His paths can die..And just to attack Nagato hurts himself as well as when he was edo and compleately powered up we Saw Itachi seal him. Hashi was great at sealing jutsu's and could use Multiple clones. there is no doubt in my mind Hashi was a great tactionist he was one of the few to create his own Jutsu and had more battle experience than Itachi.

Forget having shared vision when your fighting 25 to 50 clones. Or more. Naruto took out the paths with less clones than this..

I'm starting to see a trend here

1) Nagato doesn't have to be in his wheel chair.. wth are you talking about?

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He only has to summon his bird, or chameleon summoning under him, and he gains full mobility..


Great, I would love a scan of hashirama being skilled in fuinjtusu

Alright this wheelchair shit needs to stop. Nagato was NEVER in a wheelchair, seriously why are people saying that?

I was wondering what wheel chair also o.0 , I know he had a chair where he was channeling power to the paths..

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Im starting to see a trend here. Have we seen Nagato fly in his wheelchair? No.
Naruto took out all his paths in SM , so to say that Hashi and Madara cant in my opinion is rediculous. His paths can die..And just to attack Nagato hurts himself as well as when he was edo and compleately powered up we Saw Itachi seal him. Hashi was great at sealing jutsu's and could use Multiple clones. there is no doubt in my mind Hashi was a great tactionist he was one of the few to create his own Jutsu and had more battle experience than Itachi.

Forget having shared vision when your fighting 25 to 50 clones. Or more.

Naruto took out the paths with less clones than this..

The whole village / fox took out the pains and the info j man left.The pains r a jutsu just like naruto usein rasengan nagato was never beat and in itches case he had bee and naruto helpin him.Add in the fact nagato was controlled by kabuto and kabuki didn't kno itchai had switched teams no 1 but another rinnegan solos that being edo madara kabuto and tobi there r a few maybes who could win but unlikely nagato wasn't as dumb as people
Make him out to b as well -.-

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Alright this wheelchair shit needs to stop. Nagato was NEVER in a wheelchair, seriously why are people saying that?

Naruto had intel (the biggest strength of the Paths), toads, and he had the Kyuubi. Deva couldn't even fight for the majority of their fight, their fight was completely unfair and shouldn't even be used as an example of skill. When Nagato was an Edo he still couldn't even walk, thats not full power at all. We've seen that the Paths, which are all Nagato's abilities, have amazing reflexes and speed, so its safe to assume that a mobile Nagato would be much better than one that needs either Paths or summonings to move around.

Professor X's wheelchair floated to lol he was sill in a wheelchair.Hashi and Madara are a lot smarter and battle tested than Nagato also. Itachi had never seen Nagato battle but figured him out pretty quickly. Im sure madara and Hashi would do the same.

None of the paths were as fast as Naruto in SM it was the shared vision that helped him.

It is safe to assume that mobile Nagato would be than the wheelchair one but there was no mobile Nagato after he summoned the Gedo Mazo. Just kabuto's Edo puppet