Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara

[Tosen]

I can totaly see Nagato summoning the gedo mazo and the purple dragon going through Madara or Hashirama sense they really have no way of avoiding it.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Nagato absorbs any attack Naruto throws at him. And I'm talking about Nagato with mobility and health. 0_0

Yeah but he doesn't have legs and no chakra rods. Im not disagreeing that edo Nagato could beat almost anyone. But the thread is not about Edo Nagato it about Nagato who used his paths to fight. Even if we were talking about Edo Nagato he was one of kabuto's summons so woudn't Kabuto get the credit?

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

I can totaly see Nagato summoning the gedo mazo and the purple dragon going through Madara or Hashirama sense they really have no way of avoiding it.

Hashi could bury himself and Use clones, his sword summon and mokuton to avoid the dragon and still attack Nagato while taking out the paths.Not t mention have Flower/tree worl up. I know shinra tensai is strong but the plants grow back from Hashi's life energy. How much Chackra would Nagato have fter summoning the Gedo Mazo and the purple dragon?After everyone strong attack nagato did against Naruto he caughed up blood and seemed to weaken greatly. How does he keep his attack up while still defending nagato?

 

[Helikido]

The reason why people are saying nagato would win is because......

Theirs allot of nagato fan boys......

Kishi has proven and shown us that madara and nagato are legends....

Why cant people get that?.....U_U

Im...out..

 

[timmo]

"Wheelchair" Nagato < ems Madara, Hashi, edo Madara
Prime Nagato (not edo) > ems Madara
Prime Nagato (not edo) < Hashi, edo Madara

That's my 2 cents

 

[Traffy]

The reason why people are saying nagato would win is because......

Theirs allot of nagato fan boys......

Kishi has proven and shown us that madara and nagato are legends....

Why cant people get that?.....U_U

Im...out..

Or maybe because they disagree with you is why you think they're fanboys. I'm not gonna argue on who I think would win but I always find it ironic how people will call the people that are disagreeing with them fanboys even though they've shown legitimate evidence to back up their claims.

And just because they're legends that makes them unbeatable? If we're seriously going by hype then Nagato was called the Third Six Paths. But putting hype aside, I don't know who'd win.

If I had to choose I'd say Nagato could defeat them both 1 vs 1 but when it comes to Nagato vs Hashi, I can see Nagato winning but I can also see Hashi putting up a great fight and maybe even winning.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

"Wheelchair" Nagato < ems Madara, Hashi, edo Madara
Prime Nagato (not edo) > ems Madara
Prime Nagato (not edo) < Hashi, edo Madara

That's my 2 cents [/QUOT

At what point in the anime was Nagato prime?

And is he stronger than Madara with rinnegan/ems/hashi cells?I guess prime madara. Or even ems Madara w/ 9 tails summon? Just say Hashi and Nagato switched places!

I agree with most of what you said though, just want you opinion.

 

[francois347]

Nagato absorbs any attack Naruto throws at him. And I'm talking about Nagato with mobility and health. 0_0

If Naruto wanted he could just throw a bunch of sage techs and him and turn him into stone like he did in there last fight.
There is no way that nagato can beat BM Naruto.

As for nagato vs hashi a lot of people say that nagato could absorb wood release yet he could no absorb garra's sand in chapter 588 which is infused with chakra.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Or maybe because they disagree with you is why you think they're fanboys. I'm not gonna argue on who I think would win but I always find it ironic how people will call the people that are disagreeing with them fanboys even though they've shown legitimate evidence to back up their claims.

And just because they're legends that makes them unbeatable? If we're seriously going by hype then Nagato was called the Third Six Paths. But putting hype aside, I don't know who'd win.

If I had to choose I'd say Nagato could defeat them both 1 vs 1 but when it comes to Nagato vs Hashi, I can see Nagato winning but I can also see Hashi putting up a great fight and maybe even winning.

Agree with some of what you said Fanboy word is used a little to often. But we gotto see all of what Nagato had and Almost nothing of Hashi, Madara is Edo so we can maybe gauge where he would be with what we have seen.

My question is How does Nagato wheelchair/rinnegan/6 paths beat Madara ems/rinnegan/Hashi cells?

 

[Owarij]

You do REALIZE hashirama has a tailed beast taming ability?

What does that have to do with anything?


Nagato has gedo mazo and a 1hit dragon that if it touches you that's it, you're dead...

Coupled with the fact that their ninjutsu will be stolen, he can reflect their attacks with deva

GG

You underestimate the man who was called the third sage of 6 paths by tobi

I can totaly see Nagato summoning the gedo mazo and the purple dragon going through Madara or Hashirama sense they really have no way of avoiding it.

They have no way of avoiding it, especially since deva restrics their movements..

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

You do REALIZE hashirama has a tailed beast taming ability?

What does that have to do with anything?


Nagato has gedo mazo and a 1hit dragon that if it touches you that's it, you're dead...

Coupled with the fact that their ninjutsu will be stolen, he can reflect their attacks with deva

GG

You underestimate the man who was called the third sage of 6 paths by tobi


They have no way of avoiding it, especially since deva restrics their movements..

You uderestimate Hashi and Madara...they are not know to have any weaknesses.On the other hand Nagato does. And both of these people can exploit that weakness.Madara has rinnegan so pretty much anything Nagato can do he can also but he's not in a wheelchair and dosn't need 6 paths. He also has EMs abilities that Nagato doesn't.

Nagato cannot just absorb any ninjutsu, If you remember there was a path who did that. Ok and say he can, after he gets his path's taken out he cannot absorb barage after barage of attacks, especially in a wheelchair.How does he defend fom angles he cannot see? Remember Kabuto said he had bad mobility when he was in Edo form, how will he fair in a wheelchair?I don't know where this idea comes from that Nagato can absorb an infinite amout of chakra and attacks when it was clear when he faught Naruto his stamina was almost depleated and using the last of his chakra killed him. He cannot have great vision without his paths that's why he hid the ral Nagato and used his paths.Nagato does not have infinite chakra, and you act like he has infinite stamina. You saw what using those abilities did to his health in the Naruto battle.Stop using examples from edo Nagato the "perfected version" and be realistic.Keep in mind also from the beginning of the fight there will always have to be either a path or gedo mazo around Nagato to protect him.

So what happens If Gedo Mazo and the purple dragon dont take out Hashi or Madara? What state is Nagato left in?There are also downfalls to Nagatoes abilities, he uses his life energy....Like Sasunoo this drains your life , it's not something that can be used for long periods.There was a reason Konan told Nagato to stop using his abilities,Because she knew he would eventually die if he continued.

The fact that hashi was strong enough to control 3 tailed beast says a lot about his chakra control.Hashi could easily not even fight himself in the battle. He could bury himself and use his clones and mokuton.

 

[Owarij]

You uderestimate Hashi and Madara...they are not know to have any weaknesses.On the other hand Nagato does. And both of these people can exploit that weakness.Madara has rinnegan so pretty much anything Nagato can do he can also but he's not in a wheelchair and dosn't need 6 paths. He also has EMs abilities that Nagato doesn't.

Nagato cannot just absorb any ninjutsu, If you remember there was a path who did that. Ok and say he can, after he gets his path's taken out he cannot absorb barage after barage of attacks, especially in a wheelchair.How does he defend fom angles he cannot see? Remember Kabuto said he had bad mobility when he was in Edo form, how will he fair in a wheelchair?I don't know where this idea comes from that Nagato can absorb an infinite amout of chakra and attacks when it was clear when he faught Naruto his stamina was almost depleated and using the last of his chakra killed him. He cannot have great vision without his paths that's why he hid the ral Nagato and used his paths.Nagato does not have infinite chakra, and you act like he has infinite stamina. You saw what using those abilities did to his health in the Naruto battle.Stop using examples from edo Nagato the "perfected version" and be realistic.Keep in mind also from the beginning of the fight there will always have to be either a path or gedo mazo around Nagato to protect him.

So what happens If Gedo Mazo and the purple dragon dont take out Hashi or Madara? What state is Nagato left in?There are also downfalls to Nagatoes abilities, he uses his life energy....Like Sasunoo this drains your life , it's not something that can be used for long periods.There was a reason Konan told Nagato to stop using his abilities,Because she knew he would eventually die if he continued.

The fact that hashi was strong enough to control 3 tailed beast says a lot about his chakra control.Hashi could easily not even fight himself in the battle. He could bury himself and use his clones and mokuton.

Wait wait wait

firstly
Madara doesn't have rinnegan
He has ems

There are two versions of Madara you can use

Prime Ems, Or 80 year old Madara with rinnegan

Choose one

Secondly , Gedo mazo won't drain nagato's chakra anymore, because it HAS a chakra source now...What do you think putting tailedbeasts into it was for?

How do you think Tobi is currently using it without being impaled?

sigh

he summons gedo mazo, uses deva to pull them while the dragon goes straight through them

gg

Counters-
Preta path sucks up Hashi's wood, as well as Madara's katons

Bringer of darkness countered by shinra tensei- Landing a blow on the caster takes it off

Flower world once again countered by shinra tensei , as soon as it goes up , it goes down

If you have anything else, plz , don't hesitate to tell me

 

[francois347]

Wait wait wait

firstly
Madara doesn't have rinnegan
He has ems

There are two versions of Madara you can use

Prime Ems, Or 80 year old Madara with rinnegan

Choose one

Secondly , Gedo mazo won't drain nagato's chakra anymore, because it HAS a chakra source now...What do you think putting tailedbeasts into it was for?

How do you think Tobi is currently using it without being impaled?

sigh

he summons gedo mazo, uses deva to pull them while the dragon goes straight through them

gg

Counters-
Preta path sucks up Hashi's wood, as well as Madara's katons

Bringer of darkness countered by shinra tensei- Landing a blow on the caster takes it off

Flower world once again countered by shinra tensei , as soon as it goes up , it goes down

If you have anything else, plz , don't hesitate to tell me

If madera with rinn cant absorb garras sand which is infused with chakra then how can he just absorb wood?

 

[Owarij]

If madera with rinn cant absorb garras sand which is infused with chakra then how can he just absorb wood?

Madara did absorb gaaras sand, didn't you see?

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Gaara latched sand onto his hand and pulled him to Rasenshruiken, He sucked everything up, and gaara's sand fell to the ground

Which is exactly what will happen to any wood that gets near Nagato..

Chakra is IN the wood, just as chakra is in most if not every ninjutus.. Just like chakra is IN gaara's sand..

If you take away the chakra in gaaras sand, what happens?

ITS SAND

With no chakra, His wood will stop moving and die, since chakra is the basis of life for humans and his wood

 

[francois347]

No he absorbed narutos attack, as you can see there is still sand on his left arm because he can not absorb actual physical things like lets say wood...

 

[Capn FlapJak]

If madera with rinn cant absorb garras sand which is infused with chakra then how can he just absorb wood?

when naruto threw a rasenshuriken at madara while gaara held him with sand i think i recall he sucked the rasenshuriken and i guess the chakra in the sand cause it fell off him?

 

[Owarij]

No he absorbed narutos attack, as you can see there is still sand on his left arm because he can not absorb actual physical things like lets say wood...

Sigh, Look at the sand from the scan before that, and that scan..

The sand there, is normal sand with no chakra, that is falling to the ground,

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Wait wait wait

firstly
Madara doesn't have rinnegan
He has ems

There are two versions of Madara you can use

Prime Ems, Or 80 year old Madara with rinnegan

Choose one

Secondly , Gedo mazo won't drain nagato's chakra anymore, because it HAS a chakra source now...What do you think putting tailedbeasts into it was for?

How do you think Tobi is currently using it without being impaled?

sigh

he summons gedo mazo, uses deva to pull them while the dragon goes straight through them

gg

Counters-
Preta path sucks up Hashi's wood, as well as Madara's katons

Bringer of darkness countered by shinra tensei- Landing a blow on the caster takes it off

Flower world once again countered by shinra tensei , as soon as it goes up , it goes down

If you have anything else, plz , don't hesitate to tell me

The anime never stated what age Madara was when he got the rinnegan it he just said he got it before he died.We don't know what his plan was or what his age was maybe he died as part of his ultimate plan, but thats something we don't know.The gedo mazo would have it's hands full wiith the complete sasuno and madara would finish Nagato off.

Even if u use prime Madara he also has the Nine tails. How does Nagato beat the nine tails,perfect sasunoo, and Madara with his EMS abilities?

Patra path can spam shinra tensai all day but not only will this deplete his chakra but who would be defending Nagato? Madara and Hashi would make quick work of the other paths.And since where Taking Nagato in his prime lets take Hashi when he had the tailed beast...How does even nagato fight 3 tailed beast,mokuton,and Hashi's clones at the same time. Hashi can use makuton like arms for all his swordsand there is no way Nagato could deflect constant blows. Shinra tensai still has a 5 second period inbetween.

Nowhere does it state it dosn't take chakra to control the Gedo Mazo either. If that was the case tobi would be fighting with it at the same time as the tailed best.

And what happens after preta path get taken out?then what? Its kinda ludacris to think Naruto could take the paths out in SM and Hashi and Madara cannot.

How does Nagato get past 100 clones that can all use makuton and bringer of darkness? if the battle started in a ield 100 yards apart, how does Nagato protect himself the whole time he's controlling the Gedo mazo and controlling his paths?

 

[soulreaper11]

nagato all day against madara and hashi we cant say anything about him cause we havent seen him fight a single fight yet unless you count the one that hiruzen beat his ass in.

 

[francois347]

when naruto threw a rasenshuriken at madara while gaara held him with sand i think i recall he sucked the rasenshuriken and i guess the chakra in the sand cause it fell off him?

EDIT

Sigh, Look at the sand from the scan before that, and that scan..

The sand there, is normal sand with no chakra, that is falling to the ground,

But the sand was still there. Which would imply that if nagato absorbed the chakra in the wood it would also be there because its a physical object. Now lets say hashi makes a giant forest to fall onto nagato, he may be able to absorb the chakra but the wood will still be there. and would still hit him.
Nagato would then repel it but since hashi can create forests in an instant (chap 575 page 2-3) while nagato has to wait 5 seconds to repel again