Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara

[Mercury Uzumaki]

A healty Nagato would own either of them 1v1

When you say healthy Nagato you really mean Edo Nagato!! Not the same thing. a Heathy Nagato is Nagato with chakra rods in his back and in a wheelchair. He gave up his healthy body for the power from the Gedo Mazo. But NP common misconception.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Despite the fact that other people were said to be on his level

If you can find the page in the manga where it says that please do I would like to see it. I thought the only person said to be on his level was Madara......

 

[Ryuu..]

When you say healthy Nagato you really mean Edo Nagato!! Not the same thing. a Heathy Nagato is Nagato with chakra rods in his back and in a wheelchair. He gave up his healthy body for the power from the Gedo Mazo. But NP common misconception.

He fought before having the chakra rods in his back. That was only for Gedo Mazo soul removal dragon technique. So actually, there is a healthy version of Nagato without the chakra rods or wheelchair.

If you can find the page in the manga where it says that please do I would like to see it. I thought the only person said to be on his level was Madara......

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"There aren't ninjas on his level anymore....", clearly implying there were once ninjas who could match him. Also, the word 'ninjas', not 'ninja' shows plural, so it could not have only been Madara.

 

[TrollingSage]

The kages didnt have any info and yet they survived

This floaty stuff in the air is making me sleepy oh look theres no floaty stuff upwards as i can see chakra with my Rinnegan

I can fly hmm what can i do here or he can just use a Shinra Tensei that would blow everything away

Oh dear lord! Yea the kages didnt have any info apart from Tsunade screaming thats my grandfather's jutsu and telling them not to inhale it. They only survived because Oonoki and Tsunade knew what it was and told Gaara and the others to get away. And as for Nagato seeing chakra you do realize they're pollen from plants right? They wouldnt have chakra in them.

 

[Midday]

Oh dear lord! Yea the kages didnt have any info apart from Tsunade screaming thats my grandfather's jutsu and telling them not to inhale it. They only survived because Oonoki and Tsunade knew what it was and told Gaara and the others to get away. And as for Nagato seeing chakra you do realize they're pollen from plants right? They wouldnt have chakra in them.

It was Mei who said don't inhale, no intel probably just common sense. In the previous page Gaara lifted them all with the sand to get away from the wood. They had no intel on the technique besides Tsunade saying that's her gradfathers.

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Flower tree world(whatever it's called) wont make much of a difference.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

It was Mei who said don't inhale, no intel probably just common sense. In the previous page Gaara lifted them all with the sand to get away from the wood. They had no intel on the technique besides Tsunade saying that's her gradfathers.

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Flower tree world(whatever it's called) wont make much of a difference.

You have saved me some trouble thanks

 

[TrollingSage]

It was Mei who said don't inhale, no intel probably just common sense. In the previous page Gaara lifted them all with the sand to get away from the wood. They had no intel on the technique besides Tsunade saying that's her gradfathers.

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Flower tree world(whatever it's called) wont make much of a difference.

You have saved me some trouble thanks

Actually he didnt. It was already too late. They were affected by the pollen over here.

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In any case, he could always use bringer of darkness to blind Nagato first, then use flower world.
Edit: I read somewhere that that there was a mistake in that chapter. Tsunade and Mei's dialogue were exchanged. It doesnt make sense that Tsunade says :"thats my grandfather's.." and then later be amazed he was able to create an entire forest.

 

[Midday]

Actually he didnt. It was already too late. They were affected by the pollen over here.

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In any case, he could always use bringer of darkness to blind Nagato first, then use flower world.

Actually the part I showed they weren't affected by the jutsu. Madara knocked them back with susanoo and heated up the area with a katon. That's why they were affected. Hovering over the jutsu was enough.

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Bringer of darkness was stopped by hitting the caster, shinra tensei could do that. It also doesn't get past his linked vision.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Actually he didnt. It was already too late. They were affected by the pollen over here.

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In any case, he could always use bringer of darkness to blind Nagato first, then use flower world.
Edit: I read somewhere that that there was a mistake in that chapter. Tsunade and Mei's dialogue were exchanged. It doesnt make sense that Tsunade says :"thats my grandfather's.." and then later be amazed he was able to create an entire forest.

Nagato can sense chakra so he would see the pollen and fly over it besides its common sense

Nagato is a chakra sensor and his Rinnegan can see Chakra which would see through bringer of darkness.He has his summons to see for him as well and besides he can just find out where hes moving without summons..hes not hiruzen.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Nagato can sense chakra so he would see the pollen and fly over it besides its common sense

Nagato is a chakra sensor and his Rinnegan can see Chakra which would see through bringer of darkness.He has his summons to see for him as well and besides he can just find out where hes moving without summons..hes not hiruzen.

I don't think bringer of darkness would be much of a factor against Nagato. The shared vision only works if there are paths and still don't think they would last very long against Hashi or Madara.Maybe petra path, that one is a little tuffer to take out. Naruto took theother paths out pretty quickly though.Even if Nagato could sense the chakra I doubt he could stop it fighting multiple clones and only 1 path petra.

Would be a great battle to watch.Seems most are ruling Madara out also kinda crazy seeing that he also has the rinnegan and EMS/Hashi cells. And He has what nagato lacks , Mobility......And a bad ass Sasunoo Im not even a Madara fan but creating a sasunoo as strong as a tailed beat is pretty sick.

 

[TrollingSage]

Actually the part I showed they weren't affected by the jutsu. Madara knocked them back with susanoo and heated up the area with a katon. That's why they were affected. Hovering over the jutsu was enough.

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Bringer of darkness was stopped by hitting the caster, shinra tensei could do that. It also doesn't get past his linked vision.

Assuming Nagato knows hitting the caster will stop the jutsu. Think about for a second. Nagato isnt instantly going to figure out he has to hit the caster to stop the gen jutsu. So if Hashirama uses flower world right after the gen jutsu, odds are he's going to inhale the pollen before he comes up with a counter.

Nagato can sense chakra so he would see the pollen and fly over it besides its common sense

Nagato is a chakra sensor and his Rinnegan can see Chakra which would see through bringer of darkness.He has his summons to see for him as well and besides he can just find out where hes moving without summons..hes not hiruzen.

Assuming the pollen have any chakra in them at all.The trees Hashirama creates are actual trees capable of even reproducing he was gone. That was why his wood style was special. He converts his chakra to actual life.
Bolded part: Nagato was able to blind Nagato and cut off his shared vision by trapping one of pain's paths in the toads mouth. There's no proof his rinnegan can see through the gen jutsu.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

I don't think bringer of darkness would be much of a factor against Nagato. The shared vision only works if there are paths and still don't think they would last very long against Hashi or Madara.Maybe petra path, that one is a little tuffer to take out. Naruto took theother paths out pretty quickly though.Even if Nagato could sense the chakra I doubt he could stop it fighting multiple clones and only 1 path petra.

Would be a great battle to watch.Seems most are ruling Madara out also kinda crazy seeing that he also has the rinnegan and EMS/Hashi cells. And He has what nagato lacks , Mobility......And a bad ass Sasunoo Im not even a Madara fan but creating a sasunoo as strong as a tailed beat is pretty sick.

We can agree on that part so lets leave it at that

Assuming Nagato knows hitting the caster will stop the jutsu. Think about for a second. Nagato isnt instantly going to figure out he has to hit the caster to stop the gen jutsu. So if Hashirama uses flower world right after the gen jutsu, odds are he's going to inhale the pollen before he comes up with a counter.

Assuming the pollen have any chakra in them at all.The trees Hashirama creates are actual trees capable of even reproducing he was gone. That was why his wood style was special. He converts his chakra to actual life.
Bolded part: Nagato was able to blind Nagato and cut off his shared vision by trapping one of pain's paths in the toads mouth. There's no proof his rinnegan can see through the gen jutsu.

Well Nagato spams shinra tensei all the time take a guess wheter he will use it if he feels threatened and yeah even if he cant see spores with the Rinnegan which is visible to the naked eye :flaw: hes a chakra sensor.I really dont buy this arguement that Nagato wouldn't know the pollen is putting him to sleep lol

Nagato can see the colours of chakra just like the Byakagan

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and it so happens the Byakagun saw through the strongest eye genjutsu of all time

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so i think its highly likely that the Rinnegan could see through it

 

[TobisPawn]

Looking at the poll....

People actually agree that Nagato > Hashirama or Madara? Phew, I thought all hope was lost.

 

[Munboy]

Being called a fairy tale like the so6p is not better than being called the actual so6p. There's no indication Hashirama's stronger from that quote by Kabuto.

Hashirama wasn't a fairy tale, his prowess/power was. In the same way the Sage's existence was.

Hashirama obviously has more than Mokuton, Genjutsu and regeneration. Before recent chapters it would be concluded Nagato>EMS Madara- but with the advent of perfect Susanoo... it is possible to call them near equals.

We've not even seen Hashirama and so far his hype is amazing, and Kishimoto always makes his characters live up to the hype through one way or the other.

Despite the fact that other people were said to be on his level

Depends on the translation you look at. However he was on a class on his own when he was called the strongest and greatest of his time.

 

[TrollingSage]

We can agree on that part so lets leave it at that


Well Nagato spams shinra tensei all the time take a guess wheter he will use it if he feels threatened and yeah even if he cant see spores with the Rinnegan which is visible to the naked eye :flaw: hes a chakra sensor.I really dont buy this arguement that Nagato wouldn't know the pollen is putting him to sleep lol

Nagato can see the colours of chakra just like the Byakagan

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and it so happens the Byakagun saw through the strongest eye genjutsu of all time

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so i think its highly likely that the Rinnegan could see through it

Dude which part of gen dont u understand? Nagato cant see because he is blinded! There will be no chakra to sense because it is just pollen. Did u know there are pollen everywhere? This time though hashi has planted a sleeping pollen flower mixed with the normal shit in the environment. Why would nagato all of a sudden stop breathing? This isnt c4

And what is the bs about strongest gen seen thru?:flaw: The gen was cast on another person. And someone used byukugan to see it. :sy: He didnt see through it but sense the sumarai was being manipulated. Ofc nagato will know he is under a gen, but what good will that do?

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Looking at the poll....

People actually agree that Nagato > Hashirama or Madara? Phew, I thought all hope was lost.

Nagato isn't even top 5......

1/2)Tobi/Kabuto
3)Naruto
4)Hashi
5)Madara

Always like a poll, but most of the people that voted are not backing up thier votes with How or Why!! A lot of people think Nagato was the next So6p but Kishi made it clear to compare Hashi's feats to the sage not Nagato. Just because he had the rinnega does mean he was powerful but he is overrated on the top 10 list. Madara had the rinnegan also and mastered sharingan which 100% makes him stronger than Nagata. Nagato on my top 10 list would be 6th but I find many think he's 3rd.....Nagato is a beast one way or the other but Sm Naruto took out all the paths and Jman with info could have beat Nagato. If Jman had a chance and naruto.....How do you think Hashi and Madara coudn't?? I just don't get the logic.

 

[TobisPawn]

Nagato is even top 5......

1/2)Tobi/Kabuto
3)Naruto
4)Hashi
5)Madara

Enough Said...

1. Kabuto
2. Tobi
3. Nagato
4. Naruto
5. Hashirama

EMS Madara would be under Hashirama, and Edo Madara is a part of Kabuto's power, so yeah.

 

[Cerox0]

Nagato can defeat both Hashi and Madara one on one.

Not at the same time however.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

1. Kabuto
2. Tobi
3. Nagato
4. Naruto
5. Hashirama

EMS Madara would be under Hashirama, and Edo Madara is a part of Kabuto's power, so yeah.

You think Nagato is stronger than BM Naruto!?.......Come on....How?
Naruto's clones would destroy all Nagato's paths..... Imagine Naruto creating 10 Sm clones and 10 KM clones and he himsel in BM, how Does Nagato win against that???

Nagato's weakness is mobility which in Naruto's strength.Shared vision woudn't even matter,Nagato paths woud'nt be able to react fast enough against all those clones. Then what would Nagato do? Run over Naruto in his wheelchair??Petra would last a bit longer than the ther paths but Naruto is to fast he could easily attack in the down time of shinra tensai.Keep m mind what does Nagato in the wheelchair do to defend himself against all the clones?Even Nagato would use up his chakra trying to defend against all those clones.And Nagato also looses the battle of chakra because Naruto now has Kurama's.

 

[TobisPawn]

You think Nagato is stronger than BM Naruto!?.......Come on....How?
Naruto's clones would destroy all Nagato's paths..... Imagine Naruto creating 10 Sm clones and 10 KM clones and he himsel in BM, how Does Nagato win against that???

Nagato's weakness is mobility which in Naruto's strength.Shared vision woudn't even matter,Nagato paths woud'nt be able to react fast enough against all those clones. Then what would Nagato do? Run over Naruto in his wheelchair??Petra would last a bit longer than the ther paths but Naruto is to fast he could easily attack in the down time of shinra tensai.Keep m mind what does Nagato in the wheelchair do to defend himself against all the clones?Even Nagato would use up his chakra trying to defend against all those clones.And Nagato also looses the battle of chakra because Naruto now has Kurama's.

Nagato absorbs any attack Naruto throws at him. And I'm talking about Nagato with mobility and health. 0_0