Nagato and Rinnegan Madara vs Obito and Hashirama

[itachi4real]

Madara and nagato wins this because nagato takes obito mid diff ... madara and nagato together could beat hashirama

 

[Jukain]

Obito has only ever been truly countered by someone with 5 minute spanning jutsus that took prep time, or S/T jutsu users which directly counter his. Without one of those, it's nearly impossible to beat him. Just look at naruto, he's leagues stronger than nagato and faster too, yet he is unable to even come close to touching obito without kakashi's kamui.

First off Nagato is on the same level as BM naruto. He's faster but not stronger. Anyways the fact is Obito wasn't able to do crap to naruto either. Cause every time Obito would try to attack he knows he would get jacked up. And it's even worse for Obito to attack to try and attack Nagato cause Obito can't use ninjutsu on Nagato. Only thing he can do is tijutsu which requires getting up close which leaves Obito open to shinra tensei. And shinra tensei is instant as we have seen, so Obito will get hit, and even if Obito doesn't get hit Nagato merely has to harden his body with Asura or dodge any taijutsu.

 

[The Necromancer]

First off Nagato is on the same level as BM naruto. He's faster but not stronger. Anyways the fact is Obito wasn't able to do crap to naruto either. Cause every time Obito would try to attack he knows he would get jacked up. And it's even worse for Obito to attack to try and attack Nagato cause Obito can't use ninjutsu on Nagato. Only thing he can do is tijutsu which requires getting up close which leaves Obito open to shinra tensei. And shinra tensei is instant as we have seen, so Obito will get hit, and even if Obito doesn't get hit Nagato merely has to harden his body with Asura or dodge any taijutsu.

Hardening his body doesn't matter as he will be absorbed either way. Left to starve to death withing the kamui dimension forever. Seconly shinra tensei is far from instant. Don't know where you're getting that, and i would appreciate a scan if you're gonna stick to that assumption. Lastly, obito defeated naruto, but kakashi and gai intervened. You're forgetting that obito fought 4v1 no problem even with his only weakness, kakashi's kamui, being present.

 

[Jukain]

So you really think he pulled those Meteors down with Bansho tenin...

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He did it with his Susanoo go to his wiki for more proof...

Also Nagato has 5sec intervals dont forget that...

First of all his wiki was made by fans just like use not Kishimoto.
But anyways if you use wiki as your source it clearly states that Madara used susanoo combined with Rinnegan to pull down the meteors anyways so dude your only proving my point lol
Here read for yourself. Go to the part where it says Rinnegan.

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[SubtleMind]

Obito has only ever been truly countered by someone with 5 minute spanning jutsus that took prep time, or S/T jutsu users which directly counter his. Without one of those, it's nearly impossible to beat him. Just look at naruto, he's leagues stronger than nagato and faster too, yet he is unable to even come close to touching obito without kakashi's kamui.

No one can beat obito in taijutsu, as he can defeat you with a single touch. This, along with the fact that obito has probably the 3rd best speed and reaction time in the series, means you're far underestimating his abilities just because he's not a mountain buster.

I'll disregard that last part about Naruto because that's an argument in itself. As for Obito, he is not and has never been shown to be a taijutsu master at all. Also Nagato too possesses one touch kills in his arsenal, is a adept senor and like I mentioned before, knows Obito's kamui. Kamui is an op move, but that is only have of his ms. If he had his other kamui eye, He would be a force to be reckoned with. but like most op characters, kishi finds a way to restrict them.

 

[Aggregator]

Obito can in fact use the rinnegan techs. He just doesn't want/need to because keeping both the rinnegan and the sharingan active drains a massive amount of chakra. Obito also has fire style that is comparable/on par with Madara's. Not to mention his mokuton. Nagato isn't a strategist either. Obito is more of a strategist than Nagato, and he also has knowledge of all the rinnegan's techs. He wouldn't let Nagato touch him.

Rinnegan Obito>Nagato High Diff
Hashi>Madara High Diff

 

[Jukain]

Hardening his body doesn't matter as he will be absorbed either way. Left to starve to death withing the kamui dimension forever. Seconly shinra tensei is far from instant. Don't know where you're getting that, and i would appreciate a scan if you're gonna stick to that assumption. Lastly, obito defeated naruto, but kakashi and gai intervened. You're forgetting that obito fought 4v1 no problem even with his only weakness, kakashi's kamui, being present.

When naruto was in BM he was never close to being defeated obito could not touch him while he was in BM. Sure in KM he was losing but not in BM lol also Nagato will not get sucked in cause of shinra tensei. Before Obito can suck him in he will get blasted away. Also kakashi just started to find out the weakness while they were fighting, if he knew all along how it worked Obito would be dead long ago lol

 

[The Necromancer]

I'll disregard that last part about Naruto because that's an argument in itself. As for Obito, he is not and has never been shown to be a taijutsu master at all. Also Nagato too possesses one touch kills in his arsenal, is a adept senor and like I mentioned before, knows Obito's kamui. Kamui is an op move, but that is only have of his ms. If he had his other kamui eye, He would be a force to be reckoned with. but like most op characters, kishi finds a way to restrict them.

Please. Naruto had a full conversation and Bee had enough time to intervene, and counter attack before nagato could even finish his "one touch kill" move. Obito uses kamui faster than the raikage's speed, and had the potential to absorb minato before he could FTG away. Nagato has no such speed feats.

I'm done here, though. There's no making up people's opinions, so there's no point in debating.

 

[Aggregator]

Lol Obito without the beasts is lower then Nagato.

No he isn't?

I'd say even MS Obito could pose a threat to Nagato, even though he'd probably beat Obito mid-high diff.

Rinnegan Obito is out of the question. He took on Naruto, Killer Bee, Guy and Kakashi WITHOUT the jins. You're underestimating Obito. Without the 10 tails, he's easily top 5.

 

[Aggregator]

BM Naruto couldn't even handle Obito without the help of Kakashi, Guy, and Bee.

If it was just those two alone, Obito would've won mid diff.

 

[Misconception]

First of all his wiki was made by fans just like use not Kishimoto.
But anyways if you use wiki as your source it clearly states that Madara used susanoo combined with Rinnegan to pull down the meteors anyways so dude your only proving my point lol
Here read for yourself. Go to the part where it says Rinnegan.

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Never said anything about Basho tennin and the fact that you think Madara can do all of this is just insane...

Obito will get the best of Nagato and you know it...

Why isn't this thread Titled Nagato and Madara>Obito and Hashirama?

 

[Draphsin]

This is a bullsh*t matchup, you restricted obito of his 2nd best move (better mastery over outer path which includes the gedo statue & the six paths technique AKA the jinchuuriki).

Everyone else gets their op moves (meteors, Shinsuusenju, & Deva path), why restrict obito of one of his, without it he has kamui & mokuton that doesnt even compare.

I voted with the paths in mind, obito & hashi win.

 

[Jukain]

Obito can in fact use the rinnegan techs. He just doesn't want/need to because keeping both the rinnegan and the sharingan active drains a massive amount of chakra. Obito also has fire style that is comparable/on par with Madara's. Not to mention his mokuton. Nagato isn't a strategist either. Obito is more of a strategist than Nagato, and he also has knowledge of all the rinnegan's techs. He wouldn't let Nagato touch him.

Rinnegan Obito>Nagato High Diff
Hashi>Madara High Diff

Lol if Obito knew the Rinnegan techs he would have used them while fighting kakashi instead of getting a hole in his chest lol. Saying he didn't need to use them is stupid cause ihe sure needed shinra tensei to protect himself from kakashi but guess what he didn't cause he most likely cant use it simple as that.
Also it doesn't matter if he can use firs style on Madagascar level cause Nagato can easily absorb it.

 

[Aggregator]

Never said anything about Basho tennin and the fact that you think Madara can do all of this is just insane...

Obito will get the best of Nagato and you know it...

Why isn't this thread Titled Nagato and Madara>Obito and Hashirama?

THANK YOU. This guy is just arguing with every person who thinks Madara and Nagato<Hashi and Obito. And he just agrees with Nagato and Madara>Hashi and Obito

 

[SubtleMind]

Obito can in fact use the rinnegan techs. He just doesn't want/need to because keeping both the rinnegan and the sharingan active drains a massive amount of chakra. Obito also has fire style that is comparable/on par with Madara's. Not to mention his mokuton. Nagato isn't a strategist either. Obito is more of a strategist than Nagato, and he also has knowledge of all the rinnegan's techs. He wouldn't let Nagato touch him.

Rinnegan Obito>Nagato High Diff
Hashi>Madara High Diff

I find it amazing how believe claim Nagato isn't a strategist. I mean the guy orchestrated all of akatsuki's movements, the destruction of the leaf etc. If you ask me he is actually one of the best strategist

 

[Aggregator]

Lol if Obito knew the Rinnegan techs he would have used them while fighting kakashi instead of getting a hole in his chest lol. Saying he didn't need to use them is stupid cause ihe sure needed shinra tensei to protect himself from kakashi but guess what he didn't cause he most likely cant use it simple as that.
Also it doesn't matter if he can use firs style on Madagascar level cause Nagato can easily absorb it.

Three words, my friend. Plot no jutsu. Plus, Obito was maxed out. He was done. Chakraless. He's been fighting for far too long. I think it's amazing that he even had enough chakra to warp himself out.

Like I said, Obito knows of all the rinnegan's techs, so he wouldn't let Nagato touch him. Would you like me to provide a panel to prove it?

 

[Aggregator]

I find it amazing how believe claim Nagato isn't a strategist. I mean the guy orchestrated all of akatsuki's movements, the destruction of the leaf etc. If you ask me he is actually one of the best strategist

Oh no. Don't get me wrong, he's a strategist. (contradicted myself.) But Obito is more of a strategist than him.

 

[Jukain]

This is a bullsh*t matchup, you restricted obito of his 2nd best move (better mastery over outer path which includes the gedo statue & the six paths technique AKA the jinchuuriki).

Everyone else gets their op moves (meteors, Shinsuusenju, & Deva path), why restrict obito of one of his, without it he has kamui & mokuton that doesnt even compare.

I voted with the paths in mind, obito & hashi win.

Umm no cause the tailed beasts are not obitos power that's why. That's why they are not here. Not obitos power simple as that. If we put in the beasts then it wouldn't be fair, cause obito can control them, Madara can control them and Nagato can control them, and who would summon the gedou? All 3 of them can so it would be stupid.

Never said anything about Basho tennin and the fact that you think Madara can do all of this is just insane...

Obito will get the best of Nagato and you know it...

Why isn't this thread Titled Nagato and Madara>Obito and Hashirama?

No it said Rinnegan and susanoo combined brought them down, and the only thing that makes sense is bansho tenin. So it was not susanoo alone it was both susanoo and Rinnegan. And no you can't even give a reason why Obito without the beasts can beat Nagato. Nagato>Obito

No he isn't?

I'd say even MS Obito could pose a threat to Nagato, even though he'd probably beat Obito mid-high diff.

Rinnegan Obito is out of the question. He took on Naruto, Killer Bee, Guy and Kakashi WITHOUT the jins. You're underestimating Obito. Without the 10 tails, he's easily top 5.

Yes Obito fought all of them but guess what he couldn't harm them either! Notice Obito has to be tangible to attack and when he turns tangible he is vulnerable to attack. If you reread the fight, kakashi, guy and BM naruto were just fine, it was more of a stalemate until kakashi figured out how to hit him.

 

[Jukain]

Oh no. Don't get me wrong, he's a strategist. (contradicted myself.) But Obito is more of a strategist than him.

That's such a biased statement with no proof to back it up. It's merely your biased opinion.

 

[Jukain]

Three words, my friend. Plot no jutsu. Plus, Obito was maxed out. He was done. Chakraless. He's been fighting for far too long. I think it's amazing that he even had enough chakra to warp himself out.

Like I said, Obito knows of all the rinnegan's techs, so he wouldn't let Nagato touch him. Would you like me to provide a panel to prove it?

Lol he had enough chakra to use fireball jutsu but not enough to use preta path lmfao! Dude stop there were some many times it was completely messes army for Obito to use preta path but he never used it. Like when he got rasaganed in the face and when naruto threw rasen shiruken to take him off the ten tails. Fact is Obito clearly had plenty of opportunities to use the paths but never did cause he couldn't. And yes give him a panel to prove it. I'd love to see it lol