Nagato and Rinnegan Madara vs Obito and Hashirama

[Misconception]

If Madara uses shinee tensei with ps than it would destroy the 1000am warrior, also Nagato would be above Obito. If Obito does not have the beasts he can't match Nagato

I 100% agree bro

Obito got in and out of Jinton B4 current 5kages eyes what makes you think he won't get Nagato... Shira Tensei on that level will kill Madara that even Drained Nagato chakra for a while and he's a Uzumaki...

Plus using Perfect Susanoo Madara will surly die from chakra exahust and i don't think Hashirama will be finished after that anyways...

 

[The Necromancer]

Sure because Nagato has no clue how kamui works but Konan does right?

Knowing he has a 5 minute limit does nothing for him, as he has no 5 minute jutsu. Knowing how his kamui works doesn't give him the clairvoyance to know when or where obito will use it. Not when obito can activate it faster than the raikage can attack.

 

[Jukain]

Obito and Hashi. Neither madara nor nagato have a counter for kamui.

Shinra tensei is a perfect counter to kamui. And kamui isn't going to do much for Obito cause he has to be tangible to attack, and if he uses any ninjutsu its absorbed so he's left with wood release and tijutsu which Nagato and Madara will both laugh at.

Lol. And the nagato loses literally his only defensive saving grace. Obito literally just has to walk toward him with a kunai, nagato will use shinra tensei, it will phase through obito, then he will be wide open for 4 seconds.

I was saying Madara will use shinra tensei bro.
Anyways with Nagato. Nagato isn't stupid he knows Obito can only attack while tangible and won't just use shinra tensei whenever, and sorry but your a dumbass if you think Nagato is going to die by a Kunai, when he can just dodge or turn his skin to metal, a Kunai won't even penetrate him. Nagato has tons of powers and attacks you underestimate him. Obito literally can do nothing to Nagato or Madara without the beasts dude.

 

[RNITBmsage]

nagato and madara

 

[Meee]

Remember I said Nagato has his legs, so with that we can assume he can move like deva path who out ran six tailed nine tails so yeah he has speed. Kamui laughs at all Nagatos attacks? Pffft please! Shinra tensei is the perfect counter to kamui. Obito literally has nothing to beat Nagato with all ninjutsu is absorbed and his wood is easily stopped by op summoning a and missiles and chakra cannons. As for genjutsu I doubt sharingan genjutsu will affect Nagato but even with that, I doubt Obito can pull off genjutsu in the middle of being bombarded with missiles, summonings, etc etc. obitos only was to touch Nagato is to turn tangible and whenever he does, it's a shinra tensei to the face.

Doesn't compare to the speed of BM Naruto who failed to land any kind of attack on Obito, How does Shinra Tensei hit an intangible body? that's only good if Obito goes to warp

Why couldn't Genjutsu effect Nagato? There was nothing stating he was immune to it

 

[Jukain]

Obito got in and out of Jinton B4 current 5kages eyes what makes you think he won't get Nagato... Shira Tensei on that level will kill Madara that even Drained Nagato chakra for a while and he's a Uzumaki...

Plus using Perfect Susanoo Madara will surly die from chakra exahust and i don't think Hashirama will be finished after that anyways...

You underestimate how much chakra Madara has they say he has a ton of chakra and can fight all day and night, so no he won't be exhausted right away. He will still beagle to fight.

He can surely use it quickly to phase his body but the fact remains he cannot harm Nagato without being tangible, and shinra tensei is instant, it's gravity so yeah I do believe it will hit Obito just like minato was able to hit him. Since ninjutsu is useless on Nagato Obito will be forced to get close which is why he loses.

 

[Jukain]

Doesn't compare to the speed of BM Naruto who failed to land any kind of attack on Obito, How does Shinra Tensei hit an intangible body? that's only good if Obito goes to warp

Why couldn't Genjutsu effect Nagato? There was nothing stating he was immune to it

The point is is that Obito cannot harm Nagato without turning tangible, and when he does he has to be up close to land a hit and shinra tensei is instant so yes it will hit Obito if he makes himself tangible.
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With genjutsu we don't know how it works, why didn't he use it on naruto yet? If it was that easy he would have already used it. Also Rinnegan is a advanced donutsu which is why I don't believe sharingan genjutsu can effect Rinnegan users.

 

[Misconception]

You underestimate how much chakra Madara has they say he has a ton of chakra and can fight all day and night, so no he won't be exhausted right away. He will still beagle to fight.

He can surely use it quickly to phase his body but the fact remains he cannot harm Nagato without being tangible, and shinra tensei is instant, it's gravity so yeah I do believe it will hit Obito just like minato was able to hit him. Since ninjutsu is useless on Nagato Obito will be forced to get close which is why he loses.

Hashirama 1000 arm Warrior will surly tank that Shira Tensei... You said it would be about 100m he will be surly drained my friend...

Obito did not faze he Kamuied himself in and out... Also if he did faze why was he gone when the dust particles cleared up and the cleared just as fast as they came...

 

[SubtleMind]

Knowing he has a 5 minute limit does nothing for him, as he has no 5 minute jutsu. Knowing how his kamui works doesn't give him the clairvoyance to know when or where obito will use it. Not when obito can activate it faster than the raikage can attack.

Yet kamui has been countered in every one of Obito's fights. Why? Because he has to be tangible for a moment to suck you in. Meaning if you time your attack right and already have prior knowledge, you can deal him damage. He is not invincible like people act like he is. Is is defensive and sly nothing more.

 

[Jukain]

Hashirama 1000 arm Warrior will surly tank that Shira Tensei... You said it would be about 100m he will be surly drained my friend...

Obito did not faze he Kamuied himself in and out... Also if he did faze why was he gone when the dust particles cleared up and the cleared just as fast as they came...

No if Madara was able to pull two meteors out of the sky with bansho tenin his shinra tensei will eradicate hashiramas summon. And no he won't dude you have no proof of that, that's you speculating.
Also sorry I didn't understand your second comment lol

 

[Jukain]

Yet kamui has been countered in every one of Obito's fights. Why? Because he has to be tangible for a moment to suck you in. Meaning if you time your attack right and already have prior knowledge, you can deal him damage. He is not invincible like people act like he is. Is is defensive and sly nothing more.

Perfectly said bro

 

[Misconception]

No if Madara was able to pull two meteors out of the sky with bansho tenin his shinra tensei will eradicate hashiramas summon. And no he won't dude you have no proof of that, that's you speculating.
Also sorry I didn't understand your second comment lol

He was Edo when he did that i already asked if there wee Edo or not u never responded... Also he would die doing that again simply because his Edo body shatterd after bringing down two Meteors...

 

[TobisPawn]

Hashirama > Madara > Obito > Nagato.

Obito and Hashirama.

 

[Jukain]

He was Edo when he did that i already asked if there wee Edo or not u never responded... Also he would die doing that again simply because his Edo body shatterd after bringing down two Meteors...

He is not edo but I said before he has a ton of chakra, he was able to fight all day and night while alive so he has a good amount of chakra. Also after having hashis DNA implanted he has even more chakra then before. Also I'm not saying he will use the meteors dude reread my statement. I'm saying if with bansho tenin he was able to pull down meteors than the power of his shinra tensei would be just as great and would destroy the summoning.

 

[SubtleMind]

Perfectly said bro

people just don't seem to get how combat works. There are those who excel in defense and others in offense. Defense is great and is usually how most teams, people etc. win, but you still need offense to score. And that is where Obito falls short in comparison to some of the most well balanced, op characters such as madara, hashi, nagato etc.

 

[Jukain]

Hashirama > Madara > Obito > Nagato.

Obito and Hashirama.

Lol Obito without the beasts is lower then Nagato.

 

[Jukain]

people just don't seem to get how combat works. There are those who excel in defense and others in offense. Defense is great and is usually how most teams, people etc. win, but you still need offense to score. And that is where Obito falls short in comparison to some of the most well balanced, op characters such as madara, hashi, nagato etc.

Exactly, everyone never thinks about how he leaves himself vulnerable to attack when he try's to attack.

 

[SubtleMind]

Hashirama > Madara > Obito > Nagato.

Obito and Hashirama.

This is Rennigan Madara so hashi would lose.

 

[The Necromancer]

people just don't seem to get how combat works. There are those who excel in defense and others in offense. Defense is great and is usually how most teams, people etc. win, but you still need offense to score. And that is where Obito falls short in comparison to some of the most well balanced, op characters such as madara, hashi, nagato etc.

Obito has only ever been truly countered by someone with 5 minute spanning jutsus that took prep time, or S/T jutsu users which directly counter his. Without one of those, it's nearly impossible to beat him. Just look at naruto, he's leagues stronger than nagato and faster too, yet he is unable to even come close to touching obito without kakashi's kamui.

No one can beat obito in taijutsu, as he can defeat you with a single touch. This, along with the fact that obito has probably the 3rd best speed and reaction time in the series, means you're far underestimating his abilities just because he's not a mountain buster.

 

[Misconception]

He is not edo but I said before he has a ton of chakra, he was able to fight all day and night while alive so he has a good amount of chakra. Also after having hashis DNA implanted he has even more chakra then before. Also I'm not saying he will use the meteors dude reread my statement. I'm saying if with bansho tenin he was able to pull down meteors than the power of his shinra tensei would be just as great and would destroy the summoning.

So you really think he pulled those Meteors down with Bansho tenin...

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He did it with his Susanoo go to his wiki for more proof...

Also Nagato has 5sec intervals dont forget that...